Nihilarian Posted March 13, 2018 Posted March 13, 2018 I don't care for Rosen or Darnold the top two QB's in this year's draft. Rosen with his durability concern with two concussions this past season and past shoulder surgery and if that isn't enough he doesn't have a very powerful arm.
Kelly the Dog Posted March 13, 2018 Posted March 13, 2018 (edited) 41 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: Good so again Rosen has a good enough arm Darnold has one too. Guess people want the new JP can throw it threw a wall (well if he can hit the wall) in Allen No, that's not the same thing. All I am saying is sufficient or good arm strength is more important than sufficient or good ball placement. If you don't have arm strength you cannot play. If you don't have ball placement you still can, and maybe pretty well. But a player with good arm strength and great ball placement is much more desirable than a player with great arm strength and good ball placement. Which is what I think you are saying and I understand. But you have to have a good enough arm. I would never imply let alone say that having arm strength makes you any good whatsoever. Like your JP reference. Frankly, I don't get the Josh Allen fascination either. Although I admit I have seen the other guys more. Edited March 13, 2018 by Kelly the Dog
Ittakestime Posted March 13, 2018 Posted March 13, 2018 8 minutes ago, Ol Dirty B said: Simms has turned into a hot take diva. I like some of his analysis, but he has became completely hyperbolic to get attention and I think it's working for him. He's entertaining, I just think he goes a bit over the top at times. His track record for QBs and RBs is good so I put some more stock into what he says.
Hapless Bills Fan Posted March 13, 2018 Posted March 13, 2018 17 minutes ago, mannc said: What does one have to do with the other? When did college completion percentage become the main criterium for NFL success? It's not sufficient of course....many QB who have high completion percentage, particularly in college spread offenses, do not become successful pros. But it's a benchmark....there are very few college QB who have <60% completion any year of their college career who become successful in the pros. It's a "watch out". At the very least, if a guy doesn't complete at least 60% of his passes, you need to look very carefully at why. And in Allen's case, one debunked claim is that his WR dropped a high number of balls. Rosen's did, and Jackson's did, but Allen's WR had one of the lowest drop %. 4 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said: No, that's not the same thing. All I am saying is sufficient or good arm strength is more important than sufficient or good ball placement. If you don't have arm strength you cannot play. If you don't have ball placement you still can, and maybe pretty well. Really. Tell me more about this.
DCOrange Posted March 13, 2018 Posted March 13, 2018 (edited) 25 minutes ago, BillsFan4 said: That wasn't a highlight reel. It was just 1 game. He went 35-59, with 491 yards and 4 touchdowns. They were down by 34 points near the end of the 3rd quarter. He led 5 straight touchdown drives (of 66 yards or longer) to score 35 unanswered points and win the game. It was the 2nd largest comeback victory in NCAA history. He was absolutely brilliant. I would highly suggest watching the game on YouTube sometime for anyone that's interested (or at least the 3rd and 4th quarters). I think he was actually pretty bad in that game. If Texas A&M could catch he would have had like 6 turnovers in that game. It was a classic case of a team snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. Having said that, Rosen's a very good prospect; he had far better games that one. Edited March 13, 2018 by DCOrange
Kelly the Dog Posted March 13, 2018 Posted March 13, 2018 Just now, Hapless Bills Fan said: It's not sufficient of course....many QB who have high completion percentage, particularly in college spread offenses, do not become successful pros. But it's a benchmark....there are very few college QB who have <60% completion any year of their college career who become successful in the pros. It's a "watch out". At the very least, if a guy doesn't complete at least 60% of his passes, you need to look very carefully at why. And in Allen's case, one debunked claim is that his WR dropped a high number of balls. Rosen's did, and Jackson's did, but Allen's WR had one of the lowest drop %. Plus the kind of passes they throw. I guy who throws a lot of screens and dumpoffs and WR screens is going to have a much better completion %. I think it's not really a good indication. A low one does have cause for great concern. A high one doesn't automatically mean highly accurate.
Teddy KGB Posted March 13, 2018 Posted March 13, 2018 1 hour ago, Klaista2k said: He was playing beyond a terrible offensive line and with below average receivers. Playing against terrible cornerbacks and pass rushers. Allen stinks.
Nihilarian Posted March 13, 2018 Posted March 13, 2018 PICK 5 Baker Mayfield - QB, Oklahoma PROJECTED TRADE WITH BRONCOS. The Bills are willing to make a big move (giving up their two first-round picks this year plus a 2019 second-rounder) to get a quarterback after Sean McDermott falls in love with Mayfield's fiery demeanor. Denver is a willing trade partner after addressing the QB spot in free agency. http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000917695/article/fourround-mock-draft-allen-goes-no-1-bills-cardinals-trade-up 1
Kelly the Dog Posted March 13, 2018 Posted March 13, 2018 3 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Really. Tell me more about this. You just witnessed three straight years of it.
Hapless Bills Fan Posted March 13, 2018 Posted March 13, 2018 Just now, Kelly the Dog said: You just witnessed three straight years of it. Tell me more about this QB who played in the NFL, and played well, despite having poor ball placement.
Luka Posted March 13, 2018 Posted March 13, 2018 25 minutes ago, Doc Brown said: Did you consider Eli elite during the prime of his career? I still do. Eli is highly underrated. You can't look at this past season and proclaim he's terrible. That's short sighted and ignorant. Half the team was on IR. He's won the big game, he's had great seasons and he's been let down by the complete lack of any kind of running game the past few years. Any QB sturggles when the team is one dimensional.
BillsFan4 Posted March 13, 2018 Posted March 13, 2018 3 minutes ago, DCOrange said: I think he was actually pretty bad in that game. If Texas A&M could catch he would have had like 6 turnovers in that game. It was a classic case of a team snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. Having said that, Rosen's a very good prospect; he had far better games that one. He wasn't very good in the first half of that game. That last 20 mins or so was amazing though! 14 minutes ago, NickelCity said: I've watched that game a few times, and he was quite good. I'd be happy if we drafted him. That said, there are two or three dropped interceptions in that game - one inexplicably that went right through the hands of the defender into the arms of the receiver for a long TD. Could use that mojo on the bills amirite I remember that throw you're talking about. There was definitely luck involved that's for sure! Most times that is an interception not a TD. But it was still a brilliant comeback victory.
Luka Posted March 13, 2018 Posted March 13, 2018 (edited) 1 minute ago, Alvarado50 said: Agree 100% Rosen = Leaf Then Mayfield = Manziel. Really if you want to draw an apt comparison Rosen is actually Jay Cutler. The question is does he have a better attitude. Edited March 13, 2018 by Luka
Lurker Posted March 13, 2018 Posted March 13, 2018 (edited) 52 minutes ago, No Cease Fires said: I have a hard time believing that the guy with the best mechanics is the most likely to bust. Now here's a guy with "bust" written all over him... Him too.... Edited March 13, 2018 by Lurker
Chicken Boo Posted March 13, 2018 Posted March 13, 2018 44 minutes ago, Putin said: And you know this because???? Because Beane is smart.
YoloinOhio Posted March 13, 2018 Posted March 13, 2018 24 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said: No, that's not the same thing. All I am saying is sufficient or good arm strength is more important than sufficient or good ball placement. If you don't have arm strength you cannot play. If you don't have ball placement you still can, and maybe pretty well. But a player with good arm strength and great ball placement is much more desirable than a player with great arm strength and good ball placement. Which is what I think you are saying and I understand. But you have to have a good enough arm. I would never imply let alone say that having arm strength makes you any good whatsoever. Like your JP reference. Frankly, I don't get the Josh Allen fascination either. Although I admit I have seen the other guys more. The QB with the best ball placement I’ve seen live: Andrew Luck. Absurd.
Putin Posted March 13, 2018 Posted March 13, 2018 1 minute ago, Chicken Boo said: Because Beane is smart. Well you made it sound like it's a fact so I just wanted to know your source
DCOrange Posted March 13, 2018 Posted March 13, 2018 1 minute ago, BillsFan4 said: He wasn't very good in the first half of that game. That last 20 mins or so was amazing though! I remember that throw you're talking about. There was definitely luck involved that's for sure! Most times that is an interception not a TD. But it was still a brilliant comeback victory. Eh, those last 20 minutes included like 3 or 4 passes that should have been picked off. A&M just completely collapsed. During the comeback: 4:05 - Fumbles but his team thankfully recovered 6:50 - An absolutely horrible throw that should have sealed the game and it somehow turns into a UCLA TD 7:20 - Tough catch, but another poor decision that hits the linebacker right in the hand. 8:15 - It's 1st down and he decides it's a good idea to make what's basically a leaping backwards off the wrong foot throw and just throws it up for grabs and his team happens to come up with it. 8:42 - Almost picked off by 2 different guys 9:07 - Throws it right to the defense but they drop it again That game was won by an absolute act of God haha. Definitely one of the most fun college games to watch this year, but I'd look at his performance against USC as the one that gets you really excited about him as a prospect personally.
Royale with Cheese Posted March 13, 2018 Posted March 13, 2018 1 hour ago, Klaista2k said: He was playing beyond a terrible offensive line and with below average receivers. He was also playing against schools like Texas State, Gardner Webb, San Jose State, Hawaii etc.... The only good programs he faced were Oregon and Iowa.
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