frostbitmic Posted March 12, 2018 Posted March 12, 2018 2 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said: Keenum is definitely a dome guy for sure. I still feel Foles winds up in Arizona, but Keenum makes sense. I've had a feeling since Tyrod was traded that the 3rd we got for him will end up going to the Eagles as part of a trade for Foles. I'm thinking, which is a dangerous thing granted, that 3rd round pick plus one of our 2nds will get us Foles. The Eagles from what I've reading, want for Foles what they got for Bradford, a 1st and a 4th, but they were in the drivers seat with Bradford because Bridgewater went down in training camp so the Vikings were desperate. We still have free agency and the draft so we aren't as desperate. Plus they need to cut cap numbers.
thebandit27 Posted March 12, 2018 Posted March 12, 2018 5 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said: Foles going back to Arizona makes a ton of sense.........they would then have as good a chance of extending him as anyone. Either way I think the QB they get in FA will be considered their solution and they will only draft one if they fall to them and think it's too good of a value. That makes them the next best place for a FA QB aside from Minnesota. Everyone else is going to be looking past them to their successor, IMO. Yeah, if I had to guess, I'd say Cousins to Minnesota, Keenum to Denver, and Foles to Arizona are the big QB dominoes. 1
Kmart128 Posted March 12, 2018 Posted March 12, 2018 1 hour ago, Heitz said: For real! Matt Moore is clearly the greatest back-up QB ever - every year someone calls for him to be "the guy" for some team. Hell Phins fans wanted him to start over Tanny - until he started over Tanny! Actually a few years back when he played he out played Tannehill. I thought he should stay the starter then. This past year however I think age caught up to him and he struggled a lot more than he had earlier in his Miami career.
dgrochester55 Posted March 12, 2018 Posted March 12, 2018 Maybe as an understood backup or stop gap, but this would be a disappointment to me. Out of the choices discussed, it would be my least favorite. He wouldn't be quite good enough to count on for long term success, but just good enough to expect a commitment as a starter and a large contract. Even keeping Tyrod would have been better than going with Bradford.
TheElectricCompany Posted March 12, 2018 Posted March 12, 2018 (edited) Of course, we're still picking a QB high, right? Bradford is a downgrade from Tyrod as a "bridge QB". I'm not even going to get into his injury issues. Dude has a knee of glass. Edited March 12, 2018 by TheElectricCompany
BuffaloBillyG Posted March 12, 2018 Posted March 12, 2018 57 minutes ago, CountDorkula said: IMO, Teams are going to shy away from Keenum. They see what he has been in the past and wont give him an Oeisweiler type deal that they will be trying to get out of in 2 Years. But yet it's being said McCarron who doesn't have even the 1 whole season that Keenum has is expected to get "Glennon Money. 39 minutes ago, thebandit27 said: If Elway wants to draft a guy like Allen, then Keenum would make perfect sense. I have a gut feeling, however, that Cleveland is going to take Allen What's funny is that if you read the Browns message boards a ton of their fans are excited about Allen at 1 or 4.
thebandit27 Posted March 12, 2018 Posted March 12, 2018 3 minutes ago, No Place To Hyde said: But yet it's being said McCarron who doesn't have even the 1 whole season that Keenum has is expected to get "Glennon Money. What's funny is that if you read the Browns message boards a ton of their fans are excited about Allen at 1 or 4. Trading a pick for Tyrod tells me that they're drafting someone that they don't think will be ready to play day 1. That's either Darnold or Allen.
CountDorkula Posted March 12, 2018 Posted March 12, 2018 7 minutes ago, TheElectricCompany said: Of course, we're still picking a QB high, right? Bradford is a downgrade from Tyrod as a "bridge QB". I'm not even going to get into his injury issues. Dude has a knee of glass. Disagree Completely. Bradford can make throws that will wow your pants off.
HiddenInLight Posted March 12, 2018 Posted March 12, 2018 4 minutes ago, No Place To Hyde said: But yet it's being said McCarron who doesn't have even the 1 whole season that Keenum has is expected to get "Glennon Money. What's funny is that if you read the Browns message boards a ton of their fans are excited about Allen at 1 or 4. Taking Allen at 1 would be the Brownziest thing they could possibly do.
Chuck Wagon Posted March 12, 2018 Posted March 12, 2018 2 hours ago, WhitewalkerInPhilly said: I am reasonably certain that if it is something important to him, he would ask before he signs. Of course, we could lie to him and then draft a guy, but that tend to sour you to a lot of agents and it's not a great long term move. There's not one team in the league that will honestly tell Bradford he's their guy with no immediate backup plan.
HiddenInLight Posted March 12, 2018 Posted March 12, 2018 9 minutes ago, TheElectricCompany said: Of course, we're still picking a QB high, right? Bradford is a downgrade from Tyrod as a "bridge QB". I'm not even going to get into his injury issues. Dude has a knee of glass. Bradford is a much better QB than Taylor, if it wasn't for the fact that his knees are held together with bubblegum and paperclips at this point, he'd already be signed to a long term deal for either the rams or the eagles. 2
TheElectricCompany Posted March 12, 2018 Posted March 12, 2018 7 minutes ago, HiddenInLight said: Bradford is a much better QB than Taylor, if it wasn't for the fact that his knees are held together with bubblegum and paperclips at this point, he'd already be signed to a long term deal for either the rams or the eagles. Yeah, and if Tyrod could go through his reads quickly and throw the damn ball, he'd be a franchise QB.
JohnC Posted March 12, 2018 Posted March 12, 2018 2 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: The risk is that he will still want (and be able to be get from someone) several million dollars, probably guaranteed, yet won't be able to play (injury in TC or preseason). Haven't we played this tape before where we dumped a rookie who needed development time into the fray before he was ready, and watched him decompose before our eyes? Can we please try, for once, to develop a QB correctly meaning, we play him when he earns it and not because we must? Bottom line: if you need a bridge QB because you're not planning to draft the 1 QB in the draft who is day-1 ready, the #1 attribute you need from that bridge guy is availability. In other words, we must agree to disagree, as I think it would be great for Bradford (he gets paid) and a sucker bet for the Bills. If the Bills draft Mayfield or Rosen they are going to play very soon. That's the reality of this situation. With respect to playing EJ too early you are misinterpreting that scenario. He was a third or fourth round talent drafted in the first round. That was simply bad scouting and evaluation. I don't care whether he got plenty of development time or not he was not going to be a franchise qb. He simply wasn't and isn't good enough. Both Rosen and Mayfield are much more prepared to play relatively quickly compared to EJ.
BuffaloBillyG Posted March 12, 2018 Posted March 12, 2018 19 minutes ago, thebandit27 said: Trading a pick for Tyrod tells me that they're drafting someone that they don't think will be ready to play day 1. That's either Darnold or Allen. To me it just says "We are moving up" or "We are going big in FA at QB". Depends on the bridge to me to see if they want a guy that won't start right away. Signing a Keenum or even a McCarron would tell me they want someone that may not be the day 1 starter. Signing a Moore or Hennessy screams Rosen.
thebandit27 Posted March 12, 2018 Posted March 12, 2018 1 minute ago, No Place To Hyde said: To me it just says "We are moving up" or "We are going big in FA at QB". Depends on the bridge to me to see if they want a guy that won't start right away. Signing a Keenum or even a McCarron would tell me they want someone that may not be the day 1 starter. Signing a Moore or Hennessy screams Rosen. I'm talking about the Browns trading a pick for Tyrod. By getting a guy that's a short-term solution at QB, they're more or less saying that the QB that they draft at No. 1 overall won't be ready to start day 1.
SouthNYfan Posted March 12, 2018 Posted March 12, 2018 Just now, thebandit27 said: I'm talking about the Browns trading a pick for Tyrod. By getting a guy that's a short-term solution at QB, they're more or less saying that the QB that they draft at No. 1 overall won't be ready to start day 1. I see it as they are going with Barkley at #1, and then get their pick of the remaining, at worst, 2 left from Allen, Darnold, Rosen, or Mayfield @#4 1
BuffaloBillyG Posted March 12, 2018 Posted March 12, 2018 1 minute ago, thebandit27 said: I'm talking about the Browns trading a pick for Tyrod. By getting a guy that's a short-term solution at QB, they're more or less saying that the QB that they draft at No. 1 overall won't be ready to start day 1. Oops. Sorry, misunderstood. I'm with you there. I agree, Darnold or Allen would be my guess for them. 1 minute ago, SouthNYfan said: I see it as they are going with Barkley at #1, and then get their pick of the remaining, at worst, 2 left from Allen, Darnold, Rosen, or Mayfield @#4 That wouldn't be a terrible outcome depending on how close they have those 4 QBs ranked. 1
thebandit27 Posted March 12, 2018 Posted March 12, 2018 2 minutes ago, No Place To Hyde said: Oops. Sorry, misunderstood. I'm with you there. I agree, Darnold or Allen would be my guess for them. That wouldn't be a terrible outcome depending on how close they have those 4 QBs ranked. I still think that they're going to move from 4 to 2 after the first wave of FA to ensure that they get both their QB and Barkley
WhitewalkerInPhilly Posted March 12, 2018 Posted March 12, 2018 1 minute ago, Chuck Wagon said: There's not one team in the league that will honestly tell Bradford he's their guy with no immediate backup plan. He certainly will look for someone who will convince him of that. The Vikings were happy to have him, and roll with him in 2016 and the start of 2017. Maybe the Jets or Broncos are willing to back up the Brinks truck. Personally, I think he shops around and finds what you say: that I personally can't think of anyone who would roll with him as the undisputed starter. Likely, he gets at best a "compete for the job" role. 1
D521646 Posted March 12, 2018 Posted March 12, 2018 16 minutes ago, WhitewalkerInPhilly said: He certainly will look for someone who will convince him of that. The Vikings were happy to have him, and roll with him in 2016 and the start of 2017. Maybe the Jets or Broncos are willing to back up the Brinks truck. Personally, I think he shops around and finds what you say: that I personally can't think of anyone who would roll with him as the undisputed starter. Likely, he gets at best a "compete for the job" role. I agree, I'm not with the conventional wisdom here. I think at this point in his career, and his history, Bradford gets offers for higher end back up money. The Jets, may, or may not pay a bit more for him, but if he signs anything more than a 2 - 3 year 10Mil a year, maybe 14million guaranteed, deal I'd be shocked, frankly. Totally rolling the dice with a guy like Bradford, but I will say that if he can somehow stay healthy, he is by far (even better than Cousins) the best FA QB available this year. Tim-
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