BuffaloButt Posted March 12, 2018 Posted March 12, 2018 (edited) Could this years draft be similar to the 1983 QB draft that we have not had since? There is a real possibility the top 6 QB's could all be successful (some more than others) but maybe this could be a duplicate type draft finally. We need a new era of young QB's to start taking over for the older ones that are nearing their end! I just get a feeling 4 or 5 may end up successful QB's in the league. Hopefully we end up with one of them! Thoughts?? Go Bills!! Edited March 12, 2018 by BuffaloButt Year
justnzane Posted March 12, 2018 Posted March 12, 2018 (edited) 10 minutes ago, BuffaloButt said: Could this years draft be similar to the 1984 QB draft that we have not had since? There is a real possibility the top 6 QB's could all be successful (some more than others) but maybe this could be a duplicate type draft finally. We need a new era of young QB's to start taking over for the older ones that are nearing their end! I just get a feeling 4 or 5 may end up successful QB's in the league. Hopefully we end up with one of them! Thoughts?? Go Bills!! Do you mean the 83 draft w/ Elway, Marino, Kelly, Eason, Blackledge, and O'Brien? Edited March 12, 2018 by justnzane
Doc Brown Posted March 12, 2018 Posted March 12, 2018 I'm hoping it's more the '83 class although Boomer was a steal in the 2nd round.
QCity Posted March 12, 2018 Posted March 12, 2018 4 minutes ago, justnzane said: Do you mean the 83 draft w/ Elway, Marino, Kelly, Eason, Blackledge, and O'Brien? Maybe he just thinks very highly of Jeff Hostetler and Jay Schroeder?
BuffaloButt Posted March 12, 2018 Author Posted March 12, 2018 6 minutes ago, justnzane said: Do you mean the 83 draft w/ Elway, Marino, Kelly, Eason, Blackledge, and O'Brien? Yes 83, you know what I mean!
Buffalo Barbarian Posted March 12, 2018 Posted March 12, 2018 Hopefully, and we win 4 super bowls with Mayfield.
Yav Posted March 12, 2018 Posted March 12, 2018 1 hour ago, BuffaloButt said: Could this years draft be similar to the 1983 QB draft that we have not had since? There is a real possibility the top 6 QB's could all be successful (some more than others) but maybe this could be a duplicate type draft finally. We need a new era of young QB's to start taking over for the older ones that are nearing their end! I just get a feeling 4 or 5 may end up successful QB's in the league. Hopefully we end up with one of them! Thoughts?? Go Bills!! I can answer this.... NO, not just NO but a HELL NO! IMO, not one of these QBs will be as good as Eason
Doc Brown Posted March 12, 2018 Posted March 12, 2018 It reminds me more of the '99 draft where 5 QB's were taken in the top 12 (Couch -1st pick , McNabb- 2nd, Akili Smith - 3rd, Culpepper 11th, McCown -12th). There was no clear cut consensus number one at quarterback as Akili Smith was believed to have the best arm. Ironically, the Browns had the first pick and many believed RIcky Williams to be a generational player (especially Ditka) like Barkley is at RB. It's definitely possible that Darnold, Rosen, Mayfield, Allen, and Jackson go in the top half of the draft. It's also probable you're going to get the same number of hits and busts at QB. 3
BuffaloButt Posted March 12, 2018 Author Posted March 12, 2018 3 minutes ago, Yav said: I can answer this.... NO, not just NO but a HELL NO! IMO, not one of these QBs will be as good as Eason So you don't want the Bill's to move up for any of these QB's?
Yav Posted March 12, 2018 Posted March 12, 2018 1 minute ago, BuffaloButt said: So you don't want the Bill's to move up for any of these QB's? Nope. Get one of the FA QBs, keep the pics and get some help on this damn team. QBs from California colleges seem like a huge risk just like players from Bama (they seem to always be hurt) are. Bills need: LB, DT, DE, WR, OL & QB 6 pics in the first 3 rounds can address a lot of those needs. 2
BuffaloButt Posted March 12, 2018 Author Posted March 12, 2018 3 minutes ago, Yav said: Nope. Get one of the FA QBs, keep the pics and get some help on this damn team. QBs from California colleges seem like a huge risk just like players from Bama (they seem to always be hurt) are. Bills need: LB, DT, DE, WR, OL & QB 6 pics in the first 3 rounds can address a lot of those needs. I guess we need to see who the FA QB is they sign first before we even think about the draft projections! 1
downunderbill Posted March 12, 2018 Posted March 12, 2018 11 minutes ago, Yav said: Nope. Get one of the FA QBs, keep the pics and get some help on this damn team. QBs from California colleges seem like a huge risk just like players from Bama (they seem to always be hurt) are. Bills need: LB, DT, DE, WR, OL & QB 6 pics in the first 3 rounds can address a lot of those needs. This sounds like the same record that has been playing for 17 years. Even if they land a FA QB, i think they should still trade up. The Bills are going to have a lot more cap room next year, fill the hardest position to get first. they can always add FA's to stop gap other positions. The McBeane's seem to have done well adding solid talent so far.
cage Posted March 12, 2018 Posted March 12, 2018 2 hours ago, justnzane said: Do you mean the 83 draft w/ Elway, Marino, Kelly, Eason, Blackledge, and O'Brien? With a better than average hit rate of 50%... this legendary draft was a coin flip. Three teams did all their homework and picked duds instead of Dan Marino....
Hellcamino Posted March 12, 2018 Posted March 12, 2018 3 hours ago, justnzane said: Do you mean the 83 draft w/ Elway, Marino, Kelly, Eason, Blackledge, and O'Brien? odd note about that draft, of the 6 QBs taken in the first round, 5 were drafted by AFC east teams. the Colts were in our division back then and although he never played a game for them, they did draft Elway. I can't recall any other year when all 5 teams from the same division drafted QBs in the first round. 1
justnzane Posted March 12, 2018 Posted March 12, 2018 2 hours ago, Doc Brown said: It reminds me more of the '99 draft where 5 QB's were taken in the top 12 (Couch -1st pick , McNabb- 2nd, Akili Smith - 3rd, Culpepper 11th, McCown -12th). There was no clear cut consensus number one at quarterback as Akili Smith was believed to have the best arm. Ironically, the Browns had the first pick and many believed RIcky Williams to be a generational player (especially Ditka) like Barkley is at RB. It's definitely possible that Darnold, Rosen, Mayfield, Allen, and Jackson go in the top half of the draft. It's also probable you're going to get the same number of hits and busts at QB. 12th was Cade McNown, not to be confused with either of the McCowns
atlbillsfan1975 Posted March 12, 2018 Posted March 12, 2018 3 hours ago, Buffalo Barbarian said: Hopefully, and we win 4 super bowls with Mayfield. Ok, this does it....now I really don’t want Mayfield.:)
NastyNateSoldiers Posted March 12, 2018 Posted March 12, 2018 3 hours ago, BuffaloButt said: Could this years draft be similar to the 1983 QB draft that we have not had since? There is a real possibility the top 6 QB's could all be successful (some more than others) but maybe this could be a duplicate type draft finally. We need a new era of young QB's to start taking over for the older ones that are nearing their end! I just get a feeling 4 or 5 may end up successful QB's in the league. Hopefully we end up with one of them! Thoughts?? Go Bills!! I think its time we put these guys into 2 groups you got the top 3 Darnold, Mayfield and Rosen then there's quite the dropoff to Allen, Lamar and Rudolph. Mof Rudolph should be in the Mike White , Lauletta group in the 3rd teir.
oldmanfan Posted March 12, 2018 Posted March 12, 2018 You think there's three HOFers in this year's draft? Not me. 1
Nihilarian Posted March 12, 2018 Posted March 12, 2018 (edited) It's shaping up to look like that 83 draft class in a sense. Although, this would mean a player like Andrew Luck who was a once in a decade type player would be a positive first overall and nobody else even close and that simply isn't happening this year. Then in 83 if Jim Kelly hadn't injured his shoulder so badly in his senior year that he needed pins in it to hold it together...he was told by the doctors that he would never attain full throwing motion or he might have given Elway a run for that #1 overall spot. Then If Dan Marino wasn't suspected of smoking pot and being a hard party animal he might have gone much earlier in the draft also. The rumors about him really flew that year. There is no question that six QB's could be taken in the first round this year and all of them have warts, unlike Elway who was also signed by the Yankees to be a baseball player. Sam Darnold, with his smallish hands and his turnovers, has the fact that only one of all the hyped QB's over the years out of USC has only produced Carson Palmer. USC QB's must be good enough to keep their jobs from other QB's and are usually surrounded by quality coaching, players and for some reason that hasn't translated to being a top NFL QB. Elongated release is impossible to miss. Ball drops to his waist with forearm pointed towards the ground, pre-delivery. Windup gives defenders early clue to break on the throw. Muscle memory may not allow for release correction. Turnover total is alarming. Finished 2017 with 13 interceptions and nine lost fumbles. Has 20 interceptions over last 20 games. http://www.nfl.com/draft/2018/profiles/sam-darnold?id=2560057 Josh Rosen, at least Rosen has Troy Aikman and Bob Waterfield who are NFL HoFers and the best since the late 80"s-1940s has been Wade Cook, Cade McNown, and Drew Olsen. Still, this kid has durability issues in that he has very little pocket escape ability and once he takes a big hit he is usually injured. "Too casual in pocket set-up. Decision making and post-snap reads are inconsistent. Refuses easy throws at times. Arm talent and strength are below average. May need to make greater effort to drive field and seam throws. Poor career deep ball completion rate. Excess air under ball allows challenges. Lacks gun to challenge safeties with rip throws over the top. Needs better anticipation. Poor mobility. Struggles to elude early pressure. Completed just 42.4 percent of his throws when forced to move." http://www.nfl.com/draft/2018/profiles/josh-rosen?id=2560059 Josh Allen, highest ceiling and cannon for an arm. Although so many are complaining about his accuracy issues in college and he could also be the biggest bust. If anyone looks like the next Jim Kelly, Big Ben it's this kid at 6'5'' 233 who shakes off tacklers and is a gunslinger. "it's rare to find a quarterback with such a low college completion rate become a successful pro." Although, Matthew Stafford, Jay Cutler and Tyrod Taylor all improved their accuracy in the nFL. Baker Mayfield, who looks like the next Drew Brees, Russell Wilson and has the very best accuracy in this year's draft. This kid can do it all with a great arm. His only issue is that he is not quite 6'1''. A touchdown machine in college. Although, "Spread quarterbacks have had limited success as have small quarterbacks!" Lamar Jackson, "Carries spindly legs and a thin base. Slightly built for punishing hits he takes from pocket and as a runner. Must learn to slide. Lackadaisical in setup. Throws with excessively narrow base and stiff front side. Flips it rather than throws it. Makes targets work too hard. Sails throws that can end up in hands of a safety. At times, hesitates to challenge safeties in the seam. Low release point leads to tipped passes. Typically gets through reads 1 and 2 before halting progressions. Pocket awareness has room for improvement. Move accuracy on rollouts and scrambles is poor. Highly inaccurate with throws on the move throughout the 2017 season. Underthrown deep balls allow cornerbacks to play the ball. Lacks touch over the heads of middle linebackers into intermediate pockets. Turnover total still too high. " http://www.nfl.com/draft/2018/profiles/lamar-jackson?id=2560053 Very erratic with throws as one looks great and the next a duck. If you like running QB's you will love Jackson! Mason Rudolph, "Over-strides at times. Rarely drives lower body through the throw causing ball to sail and float. May not generate enough velocity to beat ball-hawking corners who strangle passing windows. Field-side outs will be a challenge. Needs throws to stay on schedule. Needs to throw with better timing and placement on comeback and outs. Defaults to off-platform throws when he has time to step and deliver. Ball placement and decision making can run askew when forced to scramble from pocket. Ball will come out wobbly at times. Inexperienced as rollout passer. Benefitted from ball-winning targets downfield. Wasn't asked to get through many progressions in the offense. Has had ball security issues as a starter. " http://www.nfl.com/draft/2018/profiles/mason-rudolph?id=2559942 The Steelers look to be very interested in this kid. Hall of fame QBs? The three I like are Allen, Mayfield, and Rudolph...so those three are cursed. Edited March 12, 2018 by Nihilarian
Solomon Grundy Posted March 12, 2018 Posted March 12, 2018 22 minutes ago, Nihilarian said: It's shaping up to look like that 83 draft class in a sense. Although, this would mean a player like Andrew Luck who was a once in a decade type player would be a positive first overall and nobody else even close and that simply isn't happening this year. Then in 83 if Jim Kelly hadn't injured his shoulder so badly in his senior year that he needed pins in it to hold it together...he was told by the doctors that he would never attain full throwing motion or he might have given Elway a run for that #1 overall spot. Then If Dan Marino wasn't suspected of smoking pot and being a hard party animal he might have gone much earlier in the draft also. The rumors about him really flew that year. There is no question that six QB's could be taken in the first round this year and all of them have warts, unlike Elway who was also signed by the Yankees to be a baseball player. Sam Darnold, with his smallish hands and his turnovers, has the fact that only one of all the hyped QB's over the years out of USC has only produced Carson Palmer. USC QB's must be good enough to keep their jobs from other QB's and are usually surrounded by quality coaching, players and for some reason that hasn't translated to being a top NFL QB. Elongated release is impossible to miss. Ball drops to his waist with forearm pointed towards the ground, pre-delivery. Windup gives defenders early clue to break on the throw. Muscle memory may not allow for release correction. Turnover total is alarming. Finished 2017 with 13 interceptions and nine lost fumbles. Has 20 interceptions over last 20 games. http://www.nfl.com/draft/2018/profiles/sam-darnold?id=2560057 Josh Rosen, at least Rosen has Troy Aikman and Bob Waterfield who are NFL HoFers and the best since the late 80"s-1940s has been Wade Cook, Cade McNown, and Drew Olsen. Still, this kid has durability issues in that he has very little pocket escape ability and once he takes a big hit he is usually injured. "Too casual in pocket set-up. Decision making and post-snap reads are inconsistent. Refuses easy throws at times. Arm talent and strength are below average. May need to make greater effort to drive field and seam throws. Poor career deep ball completion rate. Excess air under ball allows challenges. Lacks gun to challenge safeties with rip throws over the top. Needs better anticipation. Poor mobility. Struggles to elude early pressure. Completed just 42.4 percent of his throws when forced to move." http://www.nfl.com/draft/2018/profiles/josh-rosen?id=2560059 Josh Allen, highest ceiling and cannon for an arm. Although so many are complaining about his accuracy issues in college and he could also be the biggest bust. If anyone looks like the next Jim Kelly, Big Ben it's this kid at 6'5'' 233 who shakes off tacklers and is a gunslinger. "it's rare to find a quarterback with such a low college completion rate become a successful pro." Although, Matthew Stafford, Jay Cutler and Tyrod Taylor all improved their accuracy in the nFL. Baker Mayfield, who looks like the next Drew Brees, Russell Wilson and has the very best accuracy in this year's draft. This kid can do it all with a great arm. His only issue is that he is not quite 6'1''. A touchdown machine in college. Although, "Spread quarterbacks have had limited success as have small quarterbacks!" Lamar Jackson, "Carries spindly legs and a thin base. Slightly built for punishing hits he takes from pocket and as a runner. Must learn to slide. Lackadaisical in setup. Throws with excessively narrow base and stiff front side. Flips it rather than throws it. Makes targets work too hard. Sails throws that can end up in hands of a safety. At times, hesitates to challenge safeties in the seam. Low release point leads to tipped passes. Typically gets through reads 1 and 2 before halting progressions. Pocket awareness has room for improvement. Move accuracy on rollouts and scrambles is poor. Highly inaccurate with throws on the move throughout the 2017 season. Underthrown deep balls allow cornerbacks to play the ball. Lacks touch over the heads of middle linebackers into intermediate pockets. Turnover total still too high. " http://www.nfl.com/draft/2018/profiles/lamar-jackson?id=2560053 Very erratic with throws as one looks great and the next a duck. If you like running QB's you will love Jackson! Mason Rudolph, "Over-strides at times. Rarely drives lower body through the throw causing ball to sail and float. May not generate enough velocity to beat ball-hawking corners who strangle passing windows. Field-side outs will be a challenge. Needs throws to stay on schedule. Needs to throw with better timing and placement on comeback and outs. Defaults to off-platform throws when he has time to step and deliver. Ball placement and decision making can run askew when forced to scramble from pocket. Ball will come out wobbly at times. Inexperienced as rollout passer. Benefitted from ball-winning targets downfield. Wasn't asked to get through many progressions in the offense. Has had ball security issues as a starter. " http://www.nfl.com/draft/2018/profiles/mason-rudolph?id=2559942 The Steelers look to be very interested in this kid. Hall of fame QBs? The three I like are Allen, Mayfield, and Rudolph...so those three are cursed. Josh Rosen had 26 INTs, Sam Darnold had 22 INTs, but Lamar Jackson's 27 INTs are so astronomically different that they had to say his was too high?
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