PPP Reading class

[Tiberius]

1 hour ago, LeviF91 said:

 

Pic doesn't show up?  The book is An Anxious Age: The Post-Protestant Ethic and the Spirit of America by Joseph Bottum

That looks interesting 

[row_33]

hopefully enough of our wisdom rubs off on Tibs and the other goofs on here

 

[MILFHUNTER#518]

[row_33]

 

anything she has written or stated will help the liberals get to reality

[Tiberius]

Liberalism relies more on rationalism and science than Conservatism does 

[LA Grant]

So far the extent of PPP's reading seems to be...

 

—books for middle schoolers; Orwell of course

—fake joke books that originated from Milo Yiannapolis

—Trump books

—Ann Coulter, Ben Shapiro, Michael Savage

 

Yeah. That tracks from what I've seen. ?

 

Here's my recommendation for anyone who doesn't already do this: get a print subscription to the New York Times to balance out everything else you're getting from cable, Federalist, American Thinker, and Facebook. Or if you can't spare the 25 cents per day, keep up with The Daily. You'll at least have a baseline to work off of when adding the rest.

[boyst]

8 minutes ago, LA Grant said:

So far the extent of PPP's reading seems to be...

 

—books for middle schoolers; Orwell of course

—fake joke books that originated from Milo Yiannapolis

—Trump books

—Ann Coulter, Ben Shapiro, Michael Savage

 

Yeah. That tracks from what I've seen. ?

 

Here's my recommendation for anyone who doesn't already do this: get a print subscription to the New York Times to balance out everything else you're getting from cable, Federalist, American Thinker, and Facebook. Or if you can't spare the 25 cents per day, keep up with The Daily. You'll at least have a baseline to work off of when adding the rest.

No one expected you to come in here and chide us with your high and mighty presentation of self grandiose bull ****, right?

 

Why do you have to be such a little B word?  Offer your take and why and leave it at that Francis.

[LA Grant]

1 minute ago, Boyst62 said:

No one expected you to come in here and chide us with your high and mighty presentation of self grandiose bull ****, right?

 

Why do you have to be such a little B word?  Offer your take and why and leave it at that Francis.

?

Seriously though, Boyst —  I highly recommend a print subscription (if you don't already) & The Daily is a half-hour podcast version exploring the day's top story. 

 

Add one of those  & then still get your other news from everywhere else. Part of a balanced reading diet.

[row_33]

Bill Buckley and Leo Strauss are hardly what your extent column shows.....

 

 

[boyst]

18 minutes ago, LA Grant said:

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Seriously though, Boyst —  I highly recommend a print subscription (if you don't already) & The Daily is a half-hour podcast version exploring the day's top story. 

 

Add one of those  & then still get your other news from everywhere else. Part of a balanced reading diet.

I listen to a lot of stuff. My bartender started me on pod save America. Haah

[LeviF]

32 minutes ago, LA Grant said:

So far the extent of PPP's reading seems to be...

 

—books for middle schoolers; Orwell of course

—fake joke books that originated from Milo Yiannapolis

—Trump books

—Ann Coulter, Ben Shapiro, Michael Savage

 

Yeah. That tracks from what I've seen. ?

 

Here's my recommendation for anyone who doesn't already do this: get a print subscription to the New York Times to balance out everything else you're getting from cable, Federalist, American Thinker, and Facebook. Or if you can't spare the 25 cents per day, keep up with The Daily. You'll at least have a baseline to work off of when adding the rest.

 

Can't believe I forgot this one:

 

[LA Grant]

19 minutes ago, Boyst62 said:

I listen to a lot of stuff. My bartender started me on pod save America. Haah

 

Nice. Pod Save America is funny & good, but it is quite partisan, just so you know. The Daily is more of a straight-forward reporting that bends over backwards to show both sides.

 

(I'm not being paid to endorse the Times here, I just think they are doing high-quality work). 

[boyst]

5 minutes ago, LA Grant said:

 

Nice. Pod Save America is funny & good, but it is quite partisan, just so you know. The Daily is more of a straight-forward reporting that bends over backwards to show both sides.

 

(I'm not being paid to endorse the Times here, I just think they are doing high-quality work). 

Partisan is fine if you go in knowing what is being offered.  I stopped listening to Stern months ago because of his incessant bull **** spewing left rhetoric that was dishonest. Normally he an see the honesty in a story. He's lost in what is going on, many are.

[Deranged Rhino]

Start here:

https://www.archives.gov/founding-docs/constitution-transcript

 

Then... 

Part I = Philosophy, Religion, Science, Politics and Society 
 
Part II = Imaginative Literature 
 
Ancient World, Part I. 
 
 The Bible: Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, Deuteronomy, Ruth, Job, Psalms, Proverbs, Ecclesiastes, Song of Solomon, Isaiah, Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, The Acts, The Romans, Corinthians I and II, Revelation. 
 
 The Ancient Near East:  An Anthology of Texts & Pictures (2 vols. ed. by James B. Prichard).  The Presocratics (ed. by Philip Wheelwright).  Plato: Apology; Crito; Phaedo; Lysis; Euthyphro; Gorgias; Protagoras; Meno; Symposium; Republic; Theaetetus; Timaeus; Laws.  Aristotle, The Philosophy of Aristotle (ed. by Renford Bambrough).  Herodotus, The Persian Wars.  Thucydides, The Peloponnesian War (use M.I. Finley, The Portable Greek Historians for Herodotus and Thucydides).  Greek and Roman Philosophy After Aristotle (ed. by Jason L. Saunders).  Plutarch, Lives of The Noble Greeks and Romans.  Suetonius, The 12 Caesars.  Marcus Aurelius, The Meditations.  The Portable Roman Reader (ed. by Basil Davenport). 
 
Part II. 
 
 Bulfinch’s Mythology.  Homer, The Iliad; The Odyessy.  Hesiod, Theogony.  Aeschylus  Euripides   FOR THESE FOUR USE GRENE and LATTIMORE,  Sophocles   The Complete Greek Tragedy  Aristophanes  Virgil, The Aeneid.  Petronius, The Satirican.  The Portable Roman Reader (see above) 
 
Medieval World, Part I. 
 
 Selections from Medieval Philosophers (2 vols., ed. by Richard McKeon).  Philosophy in the Middle Ages (ed. by Arthur Hyman and James Walsh; use to complement McKeon).  St. Benedict, Rule for Monks.  The Koran 
 
Part II. 
 
 Beowolf.  Song of Roland.  Dante, Divine Comedy (above all, Inferno).  Boccaccio, The Decameron.  Langland, Piers the Plowman.  Chaucer, Canterbury Tales.  Malory, LeMorte D’Arthur. 
 
Early Modern Period (ca. 15th-18th Centuries) 
 
 Pico della Mirandola, Oration on the Dignity of Man.  The Renaissance Philosophy of Man (ed. by Ernst Cassirer, et al.).  Machiavelli, The Prince; The Discourses.  Castiglione, The Courtier (abridged).  Cellini, Autobiography.  Erasmus, In Praise of Folly.  More, Utopia.  Montaigne, Complete Essays (ed. by Donald M. Frome).  Thomas A. Kempis, The Imitation of Christ.  Luther, Three Treatises (“An Open Letter to the Christian Nobility”; “The Babylonian Captivity of the Church”; “The Freedom of a Christian”).  Calvin, On the Christian Faith (Library of Liberal Arts Selections, ed. by John T. McNeill).  Bacon, The Great Instauration; The New Organon; The New Atlantis.  Descartes, Meditations; Discourse on Method; Rules for the Direction of the Mind.  Hobbes, Leviathan.  Spinoza, Ethics.  Leibnitz, Monadology.  Locke, An Essay on Human Understanding; Second Treatise of Government; A Letter on Toleration.  Newton, Principia (Spinoza, Leibnitz and Newton can be sampled from From Descartes to Locke, ed. by T.V. Smith & Marjorie Grene).  Galileo, Discoveries and Opinions of Galileo; Dialogue Concerning the Two World Systems (both ed. by Stillman Drake).  Pascal, Pensees; The Essential Pascal (ed. by Robert Gleason).  Grotius, The Rights of War and Peace (selections if possible).  La Rochefoucauld, Maxims.  Milton, Areopagitica.  Bayle, Historical and Critical Dictionary (ed. by Richard H. Popkin).  Wollstonecraft, Vindication of the Rights of Woman. Hamilton, Madison, Jay, Federalist Papers.  Berkeley, Three Dialogues Between Hylas and Philonous.  Hume, A Treatise of Human Nature; Dialogues Concerning Natural Religion; An Enquiry Concerning Human Understanding.  Kant, Critique of Pure Reason; Prolegomena to Any Future Metaphysics; Foundations of the Metaphysics of Morals.  Montesquieu, Persian letters; Spirit of the Laws (ed. by David Wallace Carrithers). 
 
Early Modern Period (continued) 
 
 Vico, The New Science (selections if possible).  Herder, Ideas Toward a Philosophy of History (selections if possible).  Voltaire, The Portable Voltaire (read it all).  Diderot, D’Alembert’s Dream; Rameau’s Nephew.  La Mettrie, Man A Machine.  Mandeville, The Fable of the Bees.  Rousseau, Discourse on the Origin of Inequality; The Social Contract; The Confessions; Emile.  Beccaria, On Crimes and Punishments.  Johnson, The Rambler.  Smith, The Wealth of Nations (Gay’s selection is OK).  Burke, Reflections on the Revolution in France.  Schiller, The Aesthetic Education of Man.  Malthus, On Population (do some judicious skimming based on detailed table of contents).  The Enlightenment:  A Comprehensive Anthology (ed. by Peter Gay; use this to complement the other 18th Century titles).  Fichte, The Vocation of Man.  German Idealist Philosophy, ed. by Rüdiger Bubner.  Lichtenberg, Maxims. 
 
Part II. 
 
 Rabelais, Gargantua and Pantegruel.  Shakespeare, Hamlet; King Lear; MacBeth; Othello; Julius Caesar (read all the plays if there’s time).  Cervantes, Don Quixote.  Milton,  Paradise Lost.  Grimmelshausen, Simplicissimus.  LaFontaine, Fables.  Moliere, The Bourgeois Gentleman.  Defoe, Robinson Crusoe.  Swift, Gulliver’s Travels.  Pope, Essay on Man.  Richardson, Pamela.  Fielding, Tom Jones.  Rousseau, The New Heloise.  Voltaire, Candide.  Goethe, The Sorrows of Young Werther; Wilhelm Meister’s Apprenticeship.  Lessing, Nathan the Wise. 
 
The Nineteenth Century, Part I. 
 
 Chateaubriand, The Genius of Christianity.  Hegel, Phenomenology of the Mind; Philosophy of History (use Hegel Selections, ed. by Jacob Loewenberg).  Goethe, Poetry and Truth.  Clausewitz, On War (Penguin Abridgement).  Tocqueville, Democracy in America.  Carlyle, Sartor Resartus.  Strauss, Life of Jesus (skim).  Comte, Auguste Comte and Positivism:  The Essential Writings (ed. by Gertrud Lenzer).  Mazzini, The Duties of Man.  Feuerbach, Essence of Christianity (use selection ed. by E. Graham Waring).  Proudhon, What is Property?  Marx, The Marx-Engel’s Reader (ed. by Richard Tucker).  Darwin, Origin of Species; Descent of Man (read the whole Norton edition, Darwin, ed. by Philip Appleman).  Mill, Autobiography; Utilitarianism; On Liberty; The Subjection of Women.  Renan, Life of Jesus (abridgement).  Schopenhauer, The World as Will and Idea.  Arnold, Culture and Anarchy.  Dostoevsky, Notes from Underground.  Tönnies, Community and Society.  Dilthey, Pattern and Meaning in History (ed. by H.P. Rickman).  Nietzsche, Use and Abuse of History; Beyond Good and Evil; Twilight of the Idols; Thus Spake Zarathustra.  Durkheim, The Rules of Sociological Method; Division of Labor in Society.  LeBon, The Crowd.  Bernstein, Evolutionary Socialism.  Veblen, Theory of the Leisure Class. 
 
Part II. 
 
 Novalis, Hymns to the Night and Other Selected Writings.  Schiller, William Tell.  Goethe, Faust.  Austen, Pride and Prejudice.  Manzoni, The Betrothed.  Stendhal, Red and the Black.  Balzac, Peŕe Goriot; Eugénie Grandet.  Büchner, Danton’s Death; Woyzeck.  Dickens, Hard Times.  Flaubert, Madame Bovary; Sentimental Education.  Turgenev, Fathers and Sons.  Hugo, Les Misérables.  Dostoevsky, Crime and Punishment; The Brothers Karamazov.  Hardy, Return of the Native.  Tolstoy, War and Peace; Anna Karenina.  Ibsen, A Doll’s House; The Ghosts.  Huysmans, Against the Grain.  Zola, Germinal. Nineteenth Century.  Part II (continued) 

  Maupassant, Selected Stories.  Hauptmann, Before Dawn; The Weavers.  Fontane, Effie Briest.  Strindberg, Miss Julie. 
 
20th Century, Part I. 
 
 James, Varieties of Religious Experience.  Freud, A General Introduction to Psychoanalysis; Interpretation of Dreams; Moses and Monotheism; Future of an Illusion; Totem and Taboo; Civilization and Its Discontents.  Jung, The Portable Jung (ed. by Joseph Campbell; read it all).  Einstein, Relativity:  The Special and General Theory.  Adams, The Education of Henry Adams.  Bergson, Creative Evolution.  Weber, Protestant Ethic and the Spirit of Capitalism; Essays in Sociology (Gerth & Mills edition).  Simmel, Selected Writings (ed. by D.N. Levine).  Schumpeter, The Sociology of Imperialism; Social Classes.  Tawney, Religion and the Rise of Capitalism.  deSaussure, Course in General Linguistics.  Pareto, The Mind and Society.  Mosca, The Ruling Class.  Mannheim, Ideology and Utopia.  Sorokin, Social and Cultural Dynamics (abridged edition)  Michels, Political Parties.  Lenin, What is to be Done?; State and Revolution; Imperialism.  Sorel, Reflections on Violence.  Lukacs, History and Class Consciousness.  Gramsci, Prison Notebooks.  Arnold, The Folklore of Capitalism.  Husserl, Ideas.  Keynes, General Theory of Unemployment, Interest, and Money.  Hayek, The Road to Serfdom.  Popper, The Open Society and Its Enemies.  Fanon, The Wretched of the Earth.  Marcuse, One Dimensional Man.  Spengler, Decline of the West.  Ortega, The Revolt of the Masses.  Benda, The Treason of the Intellectuals.  Toynbee, A Study of History (one volume ed.).  Orwell, Homage to Catalonia; Politics and the English Language.  Frazer, The Golden Bough (abridged).  Benedict, Patterns of Culture.  Piaget, The Moral Judgement of the Child.  Levi-Strauss, The Savage Mind.  Cassirer, Essay on Man; The Myth of the State.  Wittgenstein, Philosophical Investigation; Tractatus Logico-Philosophicus.  Heidegger, Being and Time. 
20th Century.  Part I (continued) 
 
 Four Existentialist Theologians (selections from Maritain, Berdyaev, Buber, and Tillich, ed. by Will Herberg).  Existentialism from Dostoevsky to Sartre (ed. by Walter Kaufman). Sartre,  Being and Nothingness.  Bonhoeffer, Letters and Papers from Prison.  Niebuhr, The Nature and Destiny of Man.  Marcel, Philosophy of Existence.  Bultmann, Existence and Faith.  Tillich, The Courage to Be.  Lovejoy, The Great Chain of Being.  Russell, What I Believe.  Whitehead, Science and the Modern World.  Merleau-Ponty, The Essential Writings of Merleau-Ponty (ed. by Alden L. Fisher).  Teilhard de Chardin, The Phenomenon of Man.  deBeauvoir, The Second Sex.  Heisenberg, Physics and Philosophy.  Camus, The Rebel.  Woolf, A Room of One’s Own.  Foucault, The Archaeology of Knowledge; The Foucault Reader (ed. by Paul Rabinow).  Barthes, A Barthes Reader (ed. by Susan Sontag).  Rawls, Theory of Justice.  Ellul, The Betrayal of the West.  Kuhn, The Structure of Scientific Revolutions. 
 
Part II. 
 
 Gide, The Immoralist.  Conrad, The Heart of Darkness.  Chekhov, The Cherry Orchard.  Shaw, Man and Superman.  Mann, Death in Venice and Seven Other Stories (Vintage Books); The Magic Mountain; Doctor Faustus.  Proust, Remembrance of Things Past.  Eliot, The Waste Land; The Hollow Men.  Woolf, To the Lighthouse.  Lawrence, Sons and Lovers; Women in Love.  Solzhenitsyn, The Gulag Archipelago.  Joyce, Ulysses.  Capek, R.U.R.  Pirandello, Six Characters in Search of an Author.  Forster, A Passage to India.  Kafka, The Trial; The Castle; The Metamorphosis.  Hesse, Steppenwolf; The Glass Bead Game.  Remarque, All Quiet on the Western Front.  Musil, The Man Without Qualities.  Huxley, Brave New World.  Malraux, Man’s Fate.  Silone, Bread and Wine.  Koestler, Darkness at Noon. 20th Century.  Part II (continued) 

  Camus, The Stranger.  Sartre, No Exit.  Hochhuth, The Deputy.  Beckett, Waiting for Godot.  Osborne, Look Back in Anger. 

[LA Grant]

20 minutes ago, Boyst62 said:

Partisan is fine if you go in knowing what is being offered.  I stopped listening to Stern months ago because of his incessant bull **** spewing left rhetoric that was dishonest. Normally he an see the honesty in a story. He's lost in what is going on, many are.

 

Yeah, Stern is... whatever. If you like that style with less rhetoric, Bill Burr's podcast is pretty solid. Now that we're just talking radio/podcasts, I mean, there's so many good ones out there now but one that I think deserves to be way more popular is What A Hell Of A Way To Die. They're younger military guys, left but moderately so, and they're funny with some good stories on  their experiences.

 

Not political at all but another great, hilarious podcast that should be more popular — Doughboys. It's two guys (one liberal, one conservative) who review fast food/chain restaurants as seriously as food critics review the snobbier places. They're really funny, but they're also serious about their opinions. You'll find yourself listening and thinking "what they just said is nonsense, Wendy's fries are not better than Burger King's. I didn't think I had this opinion but apparently I do."  It's one of the better podcasts for when you're tired of thinking about society/politics/football and just want... well, junk food.

 

For straight-up news, one last time for the back of the room — the best in the game is The Daily. 

[Warren Zevon]

Can someone draw a comic of DR reading Madame Bovary with one hand while typing elaborate conspiracy theories with the other?

[DC Tom]

26 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 Beckett, Waiting for Godot.  

 

As a philosophical treatise related to waiting for gatorman to make a sensible post.

[B-Man]

33 minutes ago, DC Tom said:

 

As a philosophical treatise related to waiting for gatorman to make a sensible post.

 

“There's no lack of void.”
― Samuel Beckett, Waiting for Godot

[Cugalabanza]

Here's the official How-To Guide for posting on PPP:

 

 

[Nanker]

Sucks to yer ass mar.