Mr. WEO Posted March 12, 2018 Author Posted March 12, 2018 2 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said: Now you're picking nits. 100% effort of what he's capable of while hung over that game then. What silliness. Deliberately losing is a DQ for being a " great " player. Aha! So obviously no player is qualified for the wall then! Take the whole thing down. It's silliness really. Does anyone mean it when they say a guy " never " took a play off? Heck KW probably took plays off. I'm sure he did. As sure as I was that OJ was the killer... even BEFORE this interview aired. Just like everyone else. OK so full effort all the time is not a criteria after all. Justing to get it straight. How about playing to win, but also to alter the spread so the Bills don't cover?
GrizzReaper Posted March 12, 2018 Posted March 12, 2018 4 minutes ago, DC Tom said: Yes, really. It'd be a stretch of the law, but not completely unheard of. And the sentence is up to life in prison. Wow that's crazy... I had better stop violating my wife's civil rights asap then. Thanks for the heads up!
transient Posted March 12, 2018 Posted March 12, 2018 11 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said: I disagree . It's pretending something never existed in order to claim some sort of moral superiority . I just think it's silly. Just take all the names down then. Were Cookie Gilchrist’s accomplishments somehow diminished or forgotten until after his death because of the pissing contest with Ralph? OJ’s accomplishments on the field will not be forgotten just because the person is no longer worthy of ceremonial recognition. 1
Boatdrinks Posted March 12, 2018 Posted March 12, 2018 Just now, Mr. WEO said: OK so full effort all the time is not a criteria after all. Justing to get it straight. How about playing to win, but also to alter the spread so the Bills don't cover? What is the point of this exercise ? You must play to win the game all the time. Spin it however you like. If you think football walls and halls of fame are there for moral reasons as well as football just do away with them then. Doesn't bother me either way.
NoSaint Posted March 12, 2018 Posted March 12, 2018 1 minute ago, Mr. WEO said: OK so full effort all the time is not a criteria after all. Justing to get it straight. How about playing to win, but also to alter the spread so the Bills don't cover? His easy out is simply saying that he poorly argued that his criteria is solely football character and not character as a whole. Which, so be it.... but I think as fans we should expect more from the team than having this guy on the wall tomorrow. I won’t lose a wink of sleep making that judgement. 1
GrizzReaper Posted March 12, 2018 Posted March 12, 2018 12 minutes ago, NoSaint said: So if we found out he liked to party too hard on Saturday night and played some games seriously hungover and not giving the team 100% does it change his greatness? Wait when did the topic switch to Jimbo?
Boatdrinks Posted March 12, 2018 Posted March 12, 2018 Just now, transient said: Were Cookie Gilchrist’s accomplishments somehow diminished or forgotten until after his death because of the pissing contest with Ralph? OJ’s accomplishments on the field will not be forgotten just because the person is no longer worthy of ceremonial recognition. Who cares if they are forgotten or not? But pretending he never existed by by removing the name is just silly to me. 1 minute ago, NoSaint said: His easy out is simply saying that he poorly argued that his criteria is solely football character and not character as a whole. Which, so be it.... but I think as fans we should expect more from the team than having this guy on the wall tomorrow. I won’t lose a wink of sleep making that judgement. Neither will I . Enjoy your moral superiority for the day.
Mr. WEO Posted March 12, 2018 Author Posted March 12, 2018 2 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said: What is the point of this exercise ? You must play to win the game all the time. Spin it however you like. If you think football walls and halls of fame are there for moral reasons as well as football just do away with them then. Doesn't bother me either way. I'm just trying to figure out what your criteria are. They seem to be changing with each question I ask. Just answer my question. 1 minute ago, Boatdrinks said: Who cares if they are forgotten or not? But pretending he never existed by by removing the name is just silly to me. Neither will I . Enjoy your moral superiority for the day. Taking it down is not equal to "pretending he never existed".
NoSaint Posted March 12, 2018 Posted March 12, 2018 1 minute ago, Boatdrinks said: What is the point of this exercise ? You must play to win the game all the time. Spin it however you like. If you think football walls and halls of fame are there for moral reasons as well as football just do away with them then. Doesn't bother me either way. Its an arbitrary wall about contributions to the team. It can extend to administrative positions. At some point OJ has crossed the line where the attention he has brought the team outweighs being real fast. That doesn’t mean he’s no longer a part of our history but that he’s no longer one of the top handful of guys that exemplify the best of the bills organization.
transient Posted March 12, 2018 Posted March 12, 2018 1 minute ago, Boatdrinks said: Who cares if they are forgotten or not? But pretending he never existed by by removing the name is just silly to me. There are only 31 names on that wall. Pretty sure there were more than 31 players in the history of the organization. Does the absence of their names invalidate their existence?
Arkady Renko Posted March 12, 2018 Posted March 12, 2018 21 minutes ago, JaCrispy said: It was part of Chris Rock’s bit where the punch line was “but I understand” (why OJ did it). I'm familiar with the bit. I'm just wondering what he understands.
JaCrispy Posted March 12, 2018 Posted March 12, 2018 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Arkady Renko said: I'm familiar with the bit. I'm just wondering what he understands. I think it’s more tongue in cheek because “everyone knows” wives can be pains in the asss sometimes. Edited March 12, 2018 by JaCrispy
NoSaint Posted March 12, 2018 Posted March 12, 2018 5 minutes ago, transient said: There are only 31 names on that wall. Pretty sure there were more than 31 players in the history of the organization. Does the absence of their names invalidate their existence? I think this conversation gets especially muddied with the confederate statues issues going on... Ive noticed some tone shift in the “keep him up” crowd the last few years, and more of the erasing history sneaking in alongside “its only football in a vacuum and you can’t look at anything else.” I suspect there’s a real worry of give an inch and they take a mile for some on that side of the argument... i would be genuinely curious about what would happen if in tonight’s interview oj said “oh I hated buffalo- that place was the worst.” As hypotheticals go I think that would’ve lost him more defenders than his actual “hypothetical” 2
TigerJ Posted March 12, 2018 Posted March 12, 2018 If OJ had had a better QB while in Buffalo, his life would never have taken the tragic path it did. There, I had to say it before somebody else did. I can take my tongue out of my cheek now.
Boatdrinks Posted March 12, 2018 Posted March 12, 2018 (edited) 20 minutes ago, NoSaint said: Its an arbitrary wall about contributions to the team. It can extend to administrative positions. At some point OJ has crossed the line where the attention he has brought the team outweighs being real fast. That doesn’t mean he’s no longer a part of our history but that he’s no longer one of the top handful of guys that exemplify the best of the bills organization. I know what the wall is. You've managed to convince yourself of OJs status on the wall. My opinion hasn't changed at all. If anyone's has it just seems silly to me. Everyone knew the guy did it. Maybe they were clinging to some false hope that he didn't but I doubt it. Taking it down now seems rather foolish. If it were to come down it should have years ago. Depending on ones criteria of course. Mine's just about football. But I don't control the wall and who's name is on it. Edited March 12, 2018 by Boatdrinks
Mr. WEO Posted March 12, 2018 Author Posted March 12, 2018 30 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said: I know what the wall is. You've managed to convince yourself of OJs status on the wall. My opinion hasn't changed at all. If anyone's has it just seems silly to me. Everyone knew the guy did it. Maybe they were clinging to some false hope that he didn't but I doubt it. Taking it down now seems rather foolish. If it were to come down it should have years ago. Depending on ones criteria of course. Mine's just about football. But I don't control the wall and who's name is on it. What if he kills again? His new girlfriends? His kids? What if he kills all of them and Terry Pegula? Stills stays up there? 1
TtownBillsFan Posted March 12, 2018 Posted March 12, 2018 1 hour ago, Fadingpain said: He's on the wall for his football accomplishments, which have nothing to do with him being a murderer. He's a top 3 all-time Buffalo Bill, whether you think he's a nice guy or not. And you're a piece of **** if you think he should remain on the wall.
BadLandsMeanie Posted March 12, 2018 Posted March 12, 2018 39 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said: I know what the wall is. You've managed to convince yourself of OJs status on the wall. My opinion hasn't changed at all. If anyone's has it just seems silly to me. Everyone knew the guy did it. Maybe they were clinging to some false hope that he didn't but I doubt it. Taking it down now seems rather foolish. If it were to come down it should have years ago. Depending on ones criteria of course. Mine's just about football. But I don't control the wall and who's name is on it. Maybe they could compromise by just having some blood spatter dripping off of his name up there? 1
NoSaint Posted March 12, 2018 Posted March 12, 2018 1 minute ago, BadLandsMeanie said: Maybe they could compromise by just having some blood spatter dripping off of his name up there? Recontextualize it- that was big in the 60 minutes piece on confederate statues that ran at the same time. Definite possibility here.
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