Boatdrinks Posted March 10, 2018 Posted March 10, 2018 9 minutes ago, apuszczalowski said: It's funny how no one wants Foles but Case Keenum and his 1 good partial season, or Bradford who hasnt finished a seaso without time on IR are better choices? Neither of those other options cost a draft asset to go with the salary. It's a fair point by those who are opposed to a trade for Foles. 5 minutes ago, Boca BIlls said: Doesn't matter who we bring in the rookie better be starting week 1 A veteran would be brought in with the thought of being a starter until a rookie is ready. The caliber of vet they choose to bring in should be a fair indication of how much draft loot they plan to give up.
bigK14094 Posted March 10, 2018 Posted March 10, 2018 7 minutes ago, Boca BIlls said: Doesn't matter who we bring in the rookie better be starting week 1 It all depends who the rookie is and if he adapts to the NFL quickly. Watson did it last year, but, none of those beloved puppy QB's have the body of work that Watson had with multiple national championship games under their belt and multilple 10 win seasons either. Most if not all will sit a year or two (like A Rogers did behind Farve) Get a grip my man!!!
klos63 Posted March 10, 2018 Posted March 10, 2018 30 minutes ago, apuszczalowski said: It's funny how no one wants Foles but Case Keenum and his 1 good partial season, or Bradford who hasnt finished a seaso without time on IR are better choices? I would like to have Foles on our team. So there's one. 1
GoBills! Posted March 10, 2018 Author Posted March 10, 2018 45 minutes ago, apuszczalowski said: It's funny how no one wants Foles but Case Keenum and his 1 good partial season, or Bradford who hasnt finished a seaso without time on IR are better choices? Foles had a few good games, before that was about the retire. I think he was more a product of a system than keenum. Both are a risk but both could probably get you same amount of wins tyrod did. I think keenum comes cheaper as he isn't a super bowl mvp. I wouldn't want to pay either one 45+ million guaranteed for 4 years but 35 million guaranteed and incentives for 3 years is fine by me.
Putin Posted March 10, 2018 Posted March 10, 2018 1 hour ago, Zebrastripes said: You bring in whoever you don't have to give a long term deal or over pay to land. After all the plan is to draft a rookie and let him take over sooner rather than later. Exactly this ^^^^^ If I remember correctly McClown didn't want to come to Buffalo and picked the Browns instead, the Browns for crying out loud
USABuffaloFan Posted March 10, 2018 Posted March 10, 2018 2 hours ago, GoBills! said: Looking at which vet would be a good fit. Case had a great 15 games with a good team. He averaged over 7 yards per attempt. 67% completion ratio, only 7 INT's. I feel with shady being better than the two rbs he relied on after cook went down would help him but we still would need WR help. Clay is better than Rudolph. Can we sign him for 3 years with a average cap hit of 12-14? Or will he command 16+ and a 4 year deal. GP 15 CMP 325 PAtt 481 CMP% 67.6 PYd 3547 Yds/Pa 7.4 PTD 22 Int 7 RAT 98.3 RuYd 160 RuTD 1 If healthy I would rather have Bridgewater, would play for a short term contract. 2 hours ago, GoBills! said: I'm worried his WRs made him look great but I think it's us, jets or cardinals. I think we look better than jets and the cards may be a better spot. But I rank him above foles. I'm not sold on a QB that will be available at 21 so I'd be happy loading up at LB, OL,DT WR to make this team better. Foles has numbers like that in 2013. He also has a Championship, better playoff record and a Superbowl MVP. Foles will be cheaper since contract has 2 more years at decent numbers.
USABuffaloFan Posted March 10, 2018 Posted March 10, 2018 27 minutes ago, GoBills! said: Foles had a few good games, before that was about the retire. I think he was more a product of a system than keenum. Both are a risk but both could probably get you same amount of wins tyrod did. I think keenum comes cheaper as he isn't a super bowl mvp. I wouldn't want to pay either one 45+ million guaranteed for 4 years but 35 million guaranteed and incentives for 3 years is fine by me. Foles had a good year in 2013 under Chip, had a good year last year under Reich. Foles has a contract that is not a starters contract I believe for 2 years. Keenum is a freeagent and very well could be more expensive. If Foles retired it would only be because he didn't have a contract, he will not be retiring now so mott point.
FearLess Price Posted March 10, 2018 Posted March 10, 2018 3 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said: The Giants, Colts, Browns and Broncos are all possibilities. The Daniel Jeremiah thought is interesting. The Giants go back to 4 and then back again with us. Cleveland takes Barkley and the QB and the Giants get a ton of picks. Im cool with getting a cheap vet to help out our new rookie. But if we go for a better FA QB ill take Keenum over McCarron. Who are you pulling for if we go with the better QBs available
1st&ten Posted March 10, 2018 Posted March 10, 2018 3 hours ago, ColoradoBills said: Keenum has been a practice squad/career backup his whole career. He is going into his 7th season and has made 7 million dollars. He has had 1, count it, 1 good year in his career last year with MIN. Keenum's record before last year is 9-15. He is going to sign with the highest paying team for the biggest contract he can get. Spotrac has his Market Value at 20 million a year.................that is nuts. https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/K/KeenCa00.htm I don't think our FO is going to pay 20M for Keenum. 1
Buffalo Ballin Posted March 10, 2018 Posted March 10, 2018 Damn it. Every time I see Case Keenum's name, I think of
Kirby Jackson Posted March 11, 2018 Posted March 11, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, FearLess Price said: Im cool with getting a cheap vet to help out our new rookie. But if we go for a better FA QB ill take Keenum over McCarron. Who are you pulling for if we go with the better QBs available Foles would be my first choice followed by Keenum, Bridgewater, McCarron and Bradford I think. Haven’t put a ton of thought into it but the less questions the better for me. Edited March 11, 2018 by Kirby Jackson
FearLess Price Posted March 11, 2018 Posted March 11, 2018 37 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: Foles would be my first choice followed by Keenum, Bridgewter, McCarron and Bradford I think. Haven’t put a ton of thought into it but the less questions the better for me. Right, i didnt even include foles because i dont wanna waste the draft picks we need to trade up for our rookie qb and our other needs to get younger at lb, dt, og, and rb.
GoBills! Posted March 11, 2018 Author Posted March 11, 2018 1 hour ago, Kirby Jackson said: Foles would be my first choice followed by Keenum, Bridgewater, McCarron and Bradford I think. Haven’t put a ton of thought into it but the less questions the better for me. Foles for the browns third rounder or our third is fine but I'm not giving up a first or our second for him.
FrankoElTanko Posted March 11, 2018 Posted March 11, 2018 (edited) Now that Tyrod is gone, we can justifiably move forward with a new "bridge" QB without having the locker room/fan divide of whether or not he should be a starter or "the guy". Now if/when we draft our future QB early, by trading way up, we can without controversy, move forward. I think we should do so with Bridgewater on a 2yr-3yr (option) deal. He is competitive, young, and pretty much guilt free if he couldn't make it through a season or if the rookie outplayed him. Also, we could get lucky and he could have a great year and end up as valuable trade bait in a year or two (a la Bradford 2015-16). I just do not want to risk trading ANY picks for a QB when there are viable options on the FA market. What do you guys think? Edited March 11, 2018 by FrankoElTanko
Boatdrinks Posted March 11, 2018 Posted March 11, 2018 1 hour ago, FrankoElTanko said: Now that Tyrod is gone, we can justifiably move forward with a new "bridge" QB without having the locker room/fan divide of whether or not he should be a starter or "the guy". Now if/when we draft our future QB early, by trading way up, we can without controversy, move forward. I think we should do so with Bridgewater on a 2yr-3yr (option) deal. He is competitive, young, and pretty much guilt free if he couldn't make it through a season or if the rookie outplayed him. Also, we could get lucky and he could have a great year and end up as valuable trade bait in a year or two (a la Bradford 2015-16). I just do not want to risk trading ANY picks for a QB when there are viable options on the FA market. What do you guys think? I think it's pretty well known that the Bills offered a second for Foles. So they're willing to trade the pick for that player. Don't know what their thoughts are on the various FA QBs, but they obviously think more of Foles. 1
PrimeTime101 Posted March 11, 2018 Posted March 11, 2018 8 hours ago, Misterbluesky said: If Cousins signs with Minnesota next week..trade up with who? The Giants are taking Barkley and Cleveland is done trading picks..and the Jets would never make a trade with us..not to mention the fact they are going QB..it's Cousins or Rosen for them. Boy I want your special abilities to predict the future. Many Mocks have Barkley going 1 and Cleveland going best QB available at 4.
MrEpsYtown Posted March 11, 2018 Posted March 11, 2018 Keenum has some history with Rob Boras, our tight end coach who was his OC in LA. I still think he winds up in Denver as the bridge if they can't get Cousins. Kubiak had Keenum for awhile and is clearly in Elway's ear. Foles has has history with Boras, David Culley, and ofcourse Andy Reid.
Boca BIlls Posted March 11, 2018 Posted March 11, 2018 7 hours ago, bigK14094 said: It all depends who the rookie is and if he adapts to the NFL quickly. Watson did it last year, but, none of those beloved puppy QB's have the body of work that Watson had with multiple national championship games under their belt and multilple 10 win seasons either. Most if not all will sit a year or two (like A Rogers did behind Farve) Get a grip my man!!! If you have it you have it... if you dont you never will at QB. Sitting doesnt help.
Augie Posted March 11, 2018 Posted March 11, 2018 6 hours ago, USABuffaloFan said: If healthy I would rather have Bridgewater, would play for a short term contract. Foles has numbers like that in 2013. He also has a Championship, better playoff record and a Superbowl MVP. Foles will be cheaper since contract has 2 more years at decent numbers. Teddy would probably do a “prove it’ deal, which might be a good fit. A year or two mentor and to show he’s back, then get a big contract. If we take a top 5 guy, I still hope we take time and make sure he’s ready before throwing him in with live bullets flying.
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