3rdnlng Posted March 9, 2018 Posted March 9, 2018 Just now, Tiberius said: So you are the thread have a lot in common then You are the gift that just keeps on giving.
boyst Posted March 9, 2018 Posted March 9, 2018 8 minutes ago, Tiberius said: How would you know? You just said.
boyst Posted March 9, 2018 Posted March 9, 2018 4 minutes ago, Tiberius said: No You just said the US government conspired with the Russians to rig the election.
Tiberius Posted March 9, 2018 Posted March 9, 2018 19 minutes ago, Boyst62 said: You just said the US government conspired with the Russians to rig the election. No
LA Grant Posted March 9, 2018 Author Posted March 9, 2018 3 hours ago, Deranged Rhino said: Respectfully, Alf, "research" is not regurgitating a puff piece and partisan talking points. That's the sort of intellectual laziness that got us here. 42 minutes ago, TakeYouToTasker said: Not really Gary, if you're an objective reader. The thread is based on a single source puff piece intended to shift narrative, which relies entirely on items already debunked months ago. Everything written here has already been hashed out in the main thread. Ask yourself: why does this piece come out now? Hahaha "puff piece." I think you guys have convinced yourselves you're Woodward & Bernstein toiling on a Buffalo Bills message board so long you wouldn't know real journalism if it bit you in the face. The discussion in the other threads are exactly as stupid as the posts have been in this thread. "Fake news! Debunked!" Except of course without any proof of any of it being "debunked." If you're so sure that this is all fake and Trump didn't commit treason, go on record & vote no. We'll see how it all shakes out soon enough. 3 hours ago, row_33 said: 3 hours ago, Boyst62 said: So, the US Government conspired with the Russian Government to fix our election process for 2016? Remember in the 60's you hinted they we're a communist. The 70s you hinted they we're a homo. Etc etc. Now it's a Nazi. Words and ideas to mature adults (usually conservative politically) are very important. Libs love to toss both around like they mean nothing. This post deserves to be in the hall of fame of self-owns. The irony here is amazing.
boyst Posted March 9, 2018 Posted March 9, 2018 3 minutes ago, LA Grant said: Hahaha "puff piece." I think you guys have convinced yourselves you're Woodward & Bernstein toiling on a Buffalo Bills message board so long you wouldn't know real journalism if it bit you in the face. The discussion in the other threads are exactly as stupid as the posts have been in this thread. "Fake news! Debunked!" Except of course without any proof of any of it being "debunked." If you're so sure that this is all fake and Trump didn't commit treason, go on record & vote no. We'll see how it all shakes out soon enough. #fakepost #B word 3 minutes ago, LA Grant said: Hahaha "puff piece." I think you guys have convinced yourselves you're Woodward & Bernstein toiling on a Buffalo Bills message board so long you wouldn't know real journalism if it bit you in the face. The discussion in the other threads are exactly as stupid as the posts have been in this thread. "Fake news! Debunked!" Except of course without any proof of any of it being "debunked." If you're so sure that this is all fake and Trump didn't commit treason, go on record & vote no. We'll see how it all shakes out soon enough. This post deserves to be in the hall of fame of self-owns. The irony here is amazing. That most words and their meaning is far beyond the grasp of you? You're the world's tallest intellectual midget. Moron.
keepthefaith Posted March 9, 2018 Posted March 9, 2018 A year and a half of surveillance and/or investigative work and nobody has come up with any criminal evidence of Trump breaking the law during the campaign. Certainly by now if there was something there it would have been leaked and/or one of the investigative bodies would have taken action. Meanwhile, journalists who are deeply committed to derailing Trump continue to write artistic works worthy of a good fiction novel. Sorry but until there are real facts and first-hand sworn testimony of the speculated crimes, we've got nothing from which to hang Trump other than sex, crude statements and deep dislike.
LA Grant Posted March 9, 2018 Author Posted March 9, 2018 6 hours ago, Boyst62 said: Russia would want a government relationship they could either exploit or unite. Republicans don't offer that. Wow. 1 minute ago, keepthefaith said: A year and a half of surveillance and/or investigative work and nobody has come up with any criminal evidence of Trump breaking the law during the campaign. Certainly by now if there was something there it would have been leaked and/or one of the investigative bodies would have taken action. Meanwhile, journalists who are deeply committed to derailing Trump continue to write artistic works worthy of a good fiction novel. Sorry but until there are real facts and first-hand sworn testimony of the speculated crimes, we've got nothing from which to hang Trump other than sex, crude statements and deep dislike. There is an overwhelming amount of evidence. As for taking action... Keep the faith.
boyst Posted March 9, 2018 Posted March 9, 2018 6 minutes ago, LA Grant said: Wow. There is an overwhelming amount of evidence. As for taking action... Keep the faith. Amazing! Dumbfounded! Holy cow! You're worse than Tibs
LA Grant Posted March 9, 2018 Author Posted March 9, 2018 4 minutes ago, Boyst62 said: You're worse than Tibs You're Boyst.
Deranged Rhino Posted March 9, 2018 Posted March 9, 2018 I always welcome opposing views, if only to test the merits of my own. So, let's take a dive and show why it's silly to hang your entire premise on a piss poor piece of journalism propaganda: 9 hours ago, LA Grant said: It's not even really about left/right as much as it is about oil, oligarchy, and indirect attacks aimed to destabilize. Trump was just the perfect fool to play. Putin was pissed about sanctions after the Ukraine episode 4 years ago and vowed revenge. With Brexit and Trump, can't say Putin didn't pull it off. Trump won't do anything against them, and so the US won't do anything against them until he's gone. Round one of Cold War II absolutely goes to Russia, thanks in part to the efforts of the fools who keep falling for it. Every word, but for the bolded, in this paragraph is inaccurate and displays a blinding ignorance of geopolitics let alone Russian-US relations. *Putin got everything he wanted out of the Ukraine. If he wanted to take all of it, he could have. He didn't. Not because of sanctions. He won in the Ukraine, he didn't lose. He won because Obama blinked. *Brexit had nothing to do with Putin and everything to do with the death of the unipolar globalist model. If you don't know what that is, you shouldn't be having this discussion. * "Trump won't do anything against them" - which is a lie. Trump has sanctioned the Russians more harshly than the much talked about Congressional sanctions, Trump sent lethal arms to the Ukrainians in defiance of Putin, the US just incinerated over 200+ Russian commandos in Syria just for amassing - signaling a complete shift in the ROE. https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/executive-order-blocking-property-persons-involved-serious-human-rights-abuse-corruption/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/global-opinions/trumps-worthy-choice-to-provide-ukraine-weapons/2017/12/30/c780d8d8-ebf9-11e7-8a6a-80acf0774e64_story.html?utm_term=.4149074d8f77 https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/13/world/europe/russia-syria-dead.html 9 hours ago, LA Grant said: There may be proof the Kremlin was directly involved in Tillerson pick. Well, I MAY have proof that the moon landing was faked. But I don't. Thus, this is a meaningless point to raise. Quote The official said that he was merely relaying talk circulating in the Russian Ministry of Foreign Affairs, but what he’d heard was astonishing: people were saying that the Kremlin had intervened to block Trump’s initial choice for Secretary of State, Mitt Romney. This is third hand hearsay. Steele didn't hear this himself. The Russian "senior official" didn't make the comments himself. He merely overheard "talk circulating in the Russian Ministry" (if he heard anything at all). None of this is confirmed - more importantly, none of it can be confirmed. This highlights EXACTLY what's wrong with Steele's work in the dossier, and it's a topic Grant and the author of this puff piece goes to great lengths to avoid tackling because it cuts against their mission. Namely, the legal standards that must be met to get a FISA Warrant approved on an American citizen. Steele's credibility is irrelevant, it's the credibility of the witnesses that matter. Steele isn't a witness, the RUSSIAN SOURCES FEEDING HIM INFORMATION are the "witnesses". And they're all nameless, faceless, and repeating hearsay OTHER Russian officials apparently said. That's not evidence. It's gossip which is unable to be confirmed or verified. AND IT'S THE ENTIRETY OF STEELE'S DOSSIER. The dossier which was needed to get a FISA warrant on Page. 9 hours ago, LA Grant said: The article goes into a lot of detail on Steele's reputation and credibility, as well as of what we can know about his sources: Another lie. The article goes OUT OF IT'S WAY to avoid telling you the full story about Steele's history and credibility. That he was running Russian agents who were playing him and feeding him, and MI6, bad intel because they knew Steele was a spy and were using him. Quote Comey] also said that the F.B.I. had “confidence” in the dossier’s author—a careful but definite endorsement—because it had worked not only with him but with many of his sources and sub-sources, whose identities the Bureau knew. “He’s proven credible in the past, and so has his network,” Comey said. When you have to use Comey as your source - you're already in trouble considering how deeply connected to the illegalities at play here he is. He has skin in the game - as you'll soon find out. Quote "Steele had spent more than twenty years in M.I.6, most of it focussing on Russia. For three years, in the nineties, he spied in Moscow under diplomatic cover. Between 2006 and 2009, he ran the service’s Russia desk, at its headquarters, in London. He was fluent in Russian, and widely considered to be an expert on the country." They leave out he was burned and exposed as a Russian spy and is prevented from re-entering the country because he's a known enemy of the state. He's a master spy who was EXPOSED and used by the FSB until they had no more need of him. He hasn't set foot in Russia in almost a decade. He never went to Russia to take statements or witness testimony. He did it all remotely, relying on second and third hand sources from Russian Intelligence who knew Steele was a spy. That's a problem for anyone who has a fully functioning frontal lobe. Quote They’d discussed the possibility that Steele’s sources in Russia were wrong, or spreading disinformation, but concluded that none of them had a motive to lie; moreover, they had taken considerable risks to themselves to get the truth out. They concluded the motivations of the witnesses but couldn't verify or confirm any piece of the dossier? THAT'S NOT HOW IT WORKS. That's spin. A lie. You can't know for certain the motivations of witnesses Steele himself NEVER SPOKE TO DIRECTLY. Seriously - this is laughably stupid. 9 hours ago, LA Grant said: Mueller investigating at least one death as a result of the dossier. Earlier in the article, there are stories of Putin critics, in and out of intelligence, being poisoned or disappearing. hocking, I know. Quote During Glenn Simpson’s testimony to the Senate Judiciary Committee, his lawyer asserted that “somebody’s already been killed as a result of the publication of this dossier.” ... One possibility that has been mentioned is Oleg Erovinkin, a former F.S.B. officer and top aide to Igor Sechin, the Rosneft president. ... No evidence has emerged that Erovinkin was a Steele source, and in fact Special Counsel Mueller is believed to be investigating a different death that is possibly related to the dossier. 9 hours ago, LA Grant said: Probably lots of "u up?" texts from Putin with the ? emoji. Quote Robert Hannigan, then the head of the U.K.’s intelligence service the G.C.H.Q., had recently flown to Washington and briefed the C.I.A.’s director, John Brennan, on a stream of illicit communications between Trump’s team and Moscow that had been intercepted. (The content of these intercepts has not become public.) Once again, you hit on a REAL issue but completely fumble it. The issue here isn't to take the word of a known liar (Brennan) who has SERIOUS skin in the dossier game - it's to ask the question WHY IS THE BRITISH INTELLIGENCE AGENCIES SPYING ON TRUMP'S CAMPAIGN? The answer, if you do REAL digging and research, is all there to be found. When the DOJ and FBI failed to get a FISA warrant on Page in June and July of '16, they were doing so because of what Admiral Rogers had done in April of '16 - namely, shut down the spigot of illegal access by FBI subcontractors to NSA 702 data. https://www.scribd.com/document/349542716/Top-Secret-FISA-Court-Order-President-Obama-Spying-on-Political-Enemies Relevant page 83: "Certain contractors had access to raw FISA information on FBI storage systems"... In other words, Fusion GPS, a contractor for the FBI during this time, was reading top secret raw SIGNIT collected on Trump's team without having to get FISA warrants or approval from anyone inside the DOJ. That was until Rogers noticed the unusual number of 702 quarries being filed and investigated in April of 2016 and shut the program down. Rogers saw none of the 702 requests were foreign in nature and acted. This led to 44's administration upping their efforts to fire Adm Rogers - something that surely would have happened had HRC won. With the spigot of raw SIGINT shut off, the black hats in the DOJ had to come up with a valid national security excuse for the earlier 702 requests in addition to getting an actual FISA warrant to get around Rogers and continue their intel gathering for their client (the Clinton campaign). Which is the reason for the dossier's creation in the first place. The black hats in the FBI hired Fusion GPS to use Steele/Ohr (and his wife) to start compiling the dossier in July. In essence, the dossier was the plan B, it was created to justify a FISA warrant which was then used to justify previous 702 quarries and the continued surveillance of select members of team Trump. Plan C was the Brits. This is WHY 44 and Brennan tapped the Brits in June to spy on the Trump campaign. They could not get the FISA warrant on Page with the evidence they had, Rogers had shut off their illegal spigot and they needed a way to keep tabs. Simple - call up the Brits and have them do it. This is the real Brit story in this whole narrative. And you missed it because you're not interested in honesty. Just partisanship. 9 hours ago, LA Grant said: You have to wonder which is more likely — Hillary orchestrating a triple-double-reversal spy game, or Dems trying to "go high" and lose as a result? Only to a fascist does "going high" involve violating the constitution to illegally spy on your political opposition - going as far as to lie to the FISC, outsource your spying to the Brits, and feeding the compliant MSM a narrative designed to undercut an incoming and legally elected POTUS. Keep it up. With dynamite logic like this, you're due to win any day now. Quote When [Secretary of State] Kerry was briefed, though, he didn’t think there was any action that he could take. He asked if F.B.I. agents knew about the dossier, and, after being assured that they did, that was apparently the end of it. Finer [John Finer - Kerry's chief of staff] agreed with Kerry’s assessment, and put the summary in his safe, and never took it out again. Nuland’s [Victoria Nuland, director of policy planning at State, of "!@#$ the EU" fame during the Ukraine crisis] reaction was much the same. She told Winer to tell Steele to take his dossier to the F.B.I. The so-called Deep State, it seems, hardly jumped into action against Trump. https://saraacarter.com/house-intelligence-committee-investigation-turns-to-john-kerry-state-department/ 9 hours ago, LA Grant said: Steele and Orbis (his private intelligence company) had habitually reported national security risks when they came across relevant information, not just to the U.S. but to European countries, as well. Furthermore, the dossier was never entirely funded by the Clinton campaign's law firm, as it was initially funded by a Republican against Trump. Wrong. This is spin designed to fool the simpleminded. Hence, Grant jumped on it. Steele was not hired until June of 16 and was paid by Fusion GPS and Perkins Coie. The dossier NEVER EXISTED before then. It's a complete DNC/HRC paid for product. This is confirmed by Simpson's testimony. https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/clinton-campaign-dnc-paid-for-research-that-led-to-russia-dossier/2017/10/24/226fabf0-b8e4-11e7-a908-a3470754bbb9_story.html?utm_term=.6244a50457d5 9 hours ago, LA Grant said: The full article provides a detailed timeline that makes the Republican/Trump theory that this was all a coordinated hit on Trump at the behest of Hillary/Obama an even bigger stretch than Tasker's waistband. Below precedes the story of Russia's meddling with the FIFA Cup results to help them win before they started messing with elections. The timeline is bunk. Here's a better one with sources and links. https://view.publitas.com/galacticredpill/!@#$ery-timeline/page/1 9 hours ago, LA Grant said: The right counter-narrative propaganda is currently going on about FISA, hoping that might be enough to cast doubt on the Dossier and throw it all out. The Post has a clear analysis of why that argument simply doesn't hold enough water. The first line sums it up simply but there's obviously more detail in the full article: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2018/02/07/the-fatal-flaw-of-the-nunes-memo-conspiracy-theories-in-one-exchange/?utm_term=.a8c5e1d1b9a1 You fail to understand the FISA abuse point - which ultimately makes the rest of what you said laughably partisan. Here's the facts - undisputed by even the Schiff counter memo: * To get a title I FISA warrant requires PROBABLE CAUSE that the subject (Page) is a FOREIGN AGENT ACTIVELY ENGAGED IN CRIMINALITY. It's a high bar. * To date, Page - who did have a title I warrant sworn out against him - has had no charges brought and is walking around a free man. * Prior to 2016, Page helped the FBI to take down a ring of Russian spies. This happened in 2013. Are we to believe that the Russians decided to work with Page - not just as an asset but AS A FOREIGN AGENT to help them with Trump after Page took down a ring of Russian spies? In what world does that logic track? We've seen how Putin handles backstabbers - do you REALLY think he'd willingly get back into bed with an asset who just sold him out and got several of his officers arrested? * The FBI and DOJ tried, and failed two times to get a FISA title I warrant on Page WITHOUT the dossier's inclusion. * In October they included the dossier in their application while hiding the fact it was paid for by the DNC and that Steele had already been fired by the FBI for lying about his media contacts. The dossier's merit has nothing to do with Steele's credibility as he's not the witness - his sources are, and none of them could be verified or confirmed because it was hearsay and second or third hand hearsay at that. Yet, despite this, the dossier was used to get the FISA approved. * The first FISA was not approved until almost a year after Page left the campaign. Why then did they focus so hard on Page? Because they wanted that third hop. If Page is as dirty as you think, they wouldn't need the dossier. Page, after all, had already proven his willingness to cooperate with the FBI. They could have just called him in. But they didn't. Because they knew Page wasn't dirty and they knew he wasn't connected to Trump anymore. They wanted his communications and the right to hop to his CONTACTS. That's the abuse that's at issue here. It's politically motivated spying of the opposition party by the party in power. You, Grant, don't find this troubling because you're a fascist who has little understanding of the law, geopolitics, or what happened during the election you're raving about. For someone who says they read a lot, you sure have demonstrated a near illiteracy in this post. 9 hours ago, LA Grant said: ALSO, please be sure to go on record & say whether or not you think Republican President Donald Trump is guilty of treason. Here's the definition. It's hilarious that you didn't answer your own poll question. Dishonest much? 1
boyst Posted March 9, 2018 Posted March 9, 2018 6 minutes ago, LA Grant said: You're Boyst. Yes and someone like you couldn't actually see what I do here. Which is annoying, because not only do you destroy the board with what you offer, you ridicule those who make you nothing but fodder. To deny that I don't have an ability to manipulate this board is a bit silly, everything I do on PPP is essentially just to mess with three or four of the handicapped children like yourself dear. I know far more than I display, and I'm actually pretty damn highly intelligent 3 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: I always welcome opposing views, if only to test the merits of my own. So, let's take a dive and show why it's silly to hang your entire premise on a piss poor piece of journalism propaganda: Every word, but for the bolded, in this paragraph is inaccurate and displays a blinding ignorance of geopolitics let alone Russian-US relations. *Putin got everything he wanted out of the Ukraine. If he wanted to take all of it, he could have. He didn't. Not because of sanctions. He won in the Ukraine, he didn't lose. He won because Obama blinked. *Brexit had nothing to do with Putin and everything to do with the death of the unipolar globalist model. If you don't know what that is, you shouldn't be having this discussion. * "Trump won't do anything against them" - which is a lie. Trump has sanctioned the Russians more harshly than the much talked about Congressional sanctions, Trump sent lethal arms to the Ukrainians in defiance of Putin, the US just incinerated over 200+ Russian commandos in Syria just for amassing - signaling a complete shift in the ROE. https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/executive-order-blocking-property-persons-involved-serious-human-rights-abuse-corruption/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/global-opinions/trumps-worthy-choice-to-provide-ukraine-weapons/2017/12/30/c780d8d8-ebf9-11e7-8a6a-80acf0774e64_story.html?utm_term=.4149074d8f77 https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/13/world/europe/russia-syria-dead.html Well, I MAY have proof that the moon landing was faked. But I don't. Thus, this is a meaningless point to raise. This is third hand hearsay. Steele didn't hear this himself. The Russian "senior official" didn't make the comments himself. He merely overheard "talk circulating in the Russian Ministry" (if he heard anything at all). None of this is confirmed - more importantly, none of it can be confirmed. This highlights EXACTLY what's wrong with Steele's work in the dossier, and it's a topic Grant and the author of this puff piece goes to great lengths to avoid tackling because it cuts against their mission. Namely, the legal standards that must be met to get a FISA Warrant approved on an American citizen. Steele's credibility is irrelevant, it's the credibility of the witnesses that matter. Steele isn't a witness, the RUSSIAN SOURCES FEEDING HIM INFORMATION are the "witnesses". And they're all nameless, faceless, and repeating hearsay OTHER Russian officials apparently said. That's not evidence. It's gossip which is unable to be confirmed or verified. AND IT'S THE ENTIRETY OF STEELE'S DOSSIER. The dossier which was needed to get a FISA warrant on Page. Another lie. The article goes OUT OF IT'S WAY to avoid telling you the full story about Steele's history and credibility. That he was running Russian agents who were playing him and feeding him, and MI6, bad intel because they knew Steele was a spy and were using him. When you have to use Comey as your source - you're already in trouble considering how deeply connected to the illegalities at play here he is. He has skin in the game - as you'll soon find out. They leave out he was burned and exposed as a Russian spy and is prevented from re-entering the country because he's a known enemy of the state. He's a master spy who was EXPOSED and used by the FSB until they had no more need of him. He hasn't set foot in Russia in almost a decade. He never went to Russia to take statements or witness testimony. He did it all remotely, relying on second and third hand sources from Russian Intelligence who knew Steele was a spy. That's a problem for anyone who has a fully functioning frontal lobe. They concluded the motivations of the witnesses but couldn't verify or confirm any piece of the dossier? THAT'S NOT HOW IT WORKS. That's spin. A lie. You can't know for certain the motivations of witnesses Steele himself NEVER SPOKE TO DIRECTLY. Seriously - this is laughably stupid. Once again, you hit on a REAL issue but completely fumble it. The issue here isn't to take the word of a known liar (Brennan) who has SERIOUS skin in the dossier game - it's to ask the question WHY IS THE BRITISH INTELLIGENCE AGENCIES SPYING ON TRUMP'S CAMPAIGN? The answer, if you do REAL digging and research, is all there to be found. When the DOJ and FBI failed to get a FISA warrant on Page in June and July of '16, they were doing so because of what Admiral Rogers had done in April of '16 - namely, shut down the spigot of illegal access by FBI subcontractors to NSA 702 data. https://www.scribd.com/document/349542716/Top-Secret-FISA-Court-Order-President-Obama-Spying-on-Political-Enemies Relevant page 83: "Certain contractors had access to raw FISA information on FBI storage systems"... In other words, Fusion GPS, a contractor for the FBI during this time, was reading top secret raw SIGNIT collected on Trump's team without having to get FISA warrants or approval from anyone inside the DOJ. That was until Rogers noticed the unusual number of 702 quarries being filed and investigated in April of 2016 and shut the program down. Rogers saw none of the 702 requests were foreign in nature and acted. This led to 44's administration upping their efforts to fire Adm Rogers - something that surely would have happened had HRC won. With the spigot of raw SIGINT shut off, the black hats in the DOJ had to come up with a valid national security excuse for the earlier 702 requests in addition to getting an actual FISA warrant to get around Rogers and continue their intel gathering for their client (the Clinton campaign). Which is the reason for the dossier's creation in the first place. The black hats in the FBI hired Fusion GPS to use Steele/Ohr (and his wife) to start compiling the dossier in July. In essence, the dossier was the plan B, it was created to justify a FISA warrant which was then used to justify previous 702 quarries and the continued surveillance of select members of team Trump. Plan C was the Brits. This is WHY 44 and Brennan tapped the Brits in June to spy on the Trump campaign. They could not get the FISA warrant on Page with the evidence they had, Rogers had shut off their illegal spigot and they needed a way to keep tabs. Simple - call up the Brits and have them do it. This is the real Brit story in this whole narrative. And you missed it because you're not interested in honesty. Just partisanship. Only to a fascist does "going high" involve violating the constitution to illegally spy on your political opposition - going as far as to lie to the FISC, outsource your spying to the Brits, and feeding the compliant MSM a narrative designed to undercut an incoming and legally elected POTUS. Keep it up. With dynamite logic like this, you're due to win any day now. https://saraacarter.com/house-intelligence-committee-investigation-turns-to-john-kerry-state-department/ Wrong. This is spin designed to fool the simpleminded. Hence, Grant jumped on it. Steele was not hired until June of 16 and was paid by Fusion GPS and Perkins Coie. The dossier NEVER EXISTED before then. It's a complete DNC/HRC paid for product. This is confirmed by Simpson's testimony. https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/clinton-campaign-dnc-paid-for-research-that-led-to-russia-dossier/2017/10/24/226fabf0-b8e4-11e7-a908-a3470754bbb9_story.html?utm_term=.6244a50457d5 The timeline is bunk. Here's a better one with sources and links. https://view.publitas.com/galacticredpill/!@#$ery-timeline/page/1 You fail to understand the FISA abuse point - which ultimately makes the rest of what you said laughably partisan. Here's the facts - undisputed by even the Schiff counter memo: * To get a title I FISA warrant requires PROBABLE CAUSE that the subject (Page) is a FOREIGN AGENT ACTIVELY ENGAGED IN CRIMINALITY. It's a high bar. * To date, Page - who did have a title I warrant sworn out against him - has had no charges brought and is walking around a free man. * Prior to 2016, Page helped the FBI to take down a ring of Russian spies. This happened in 2013. Are we to believe that the Russians decided to work with Page - not just as an asset but AS A FOREIGN AGENT to help them with Trump after Page took down a ring of Russian spies? In what world does that logic track? We've seen how Putin handles backstabbers - do you REALLY think he'd willingly get back into bed with an asset who just sold him out and got several of his officers arrested? * The FBI and DOJ tried, and failed two times to get a FISA title I warrant on Page WITHOUT the dossier's inclusion. * In October they included the dossier in their application while hiding the fact it was paid for by the DNC and that Steele had already been fired by the FBI for lying about his media contacts. The dossier's merit has nothing to do with Steele's credibility as he's not the witness - his sources are, and none of them could be verified or confirmed because it was hearsay and second or third hand hearsay at that. Yet, despite this, the dossier was used to get the FISA approved. * The first FISA was not approved until almost a year after Page left the campaign. Why then did they focus so hard on Page? Because they wanted that third hop. If Page is as dirty as you think, they wouldn't need the dossier. Page, after all, had already proven his willingness to cooperate with the FBI. They could have just called him in. But they didn't. Because they knew Page wasn't dirty and they knew he wasn't connected to Trump anymore. They wanted his communications and the right to hop to his CONTACTS. That's the abuse that's at issue here. It's politically motivated spying of the opposition party by the party in power. You, Grant, don't find this troubling because you're a fascist who has little understanding of the law, geopolitics, or what happened during the election you're raving about. For someone who says they read a lot, you sure have demonstrated a near illiteracy in this post. It's hilarious that you didn't answer your own poll question. Dishonest much? Stop giving this thread any credit, it doesn't deserve it. Let me rip it apart from the inside 1
IDBillzFan Posted March 9, 2018 Posted March 9, 2018 9 hours ago, njbuff said: Wow, the left really is clueless as to what will happen if Trump is impeached. Hopefully they don't stop until Trump is removed from office. I'm sure the left will be more agreeable under a President Mike Pence administration. 1
row_33 Posted March 9, 2018 Posted March 9, 2018 7 minutes ago, LABillzFan said: Hopefully they don't stop until Trump is removed from office. I'm sure the left will be more agreeable under a President Mike Pence administration. Pence can start with his win of the 2024 election
TakeYouToTasker Posted March 9, 2018 Posted March 9, 2018 1 minute ago, row_33 said: Pence can start with his win of the 2024 election We are living during times which will generate a new generation of leadership icons which will be viewed, through history's eye, with the same reverence as the Founders. Trey Gowdy's role in this will line him up as the 46th President in 2024 in order to see out the work currently being done.
DC Tom Posted March 9, 2018 Posted March 9, 2018 1 minute ago, TakeYouToTasker said: We are living during times which will generate a new generation of leadership icons which will be viewed, through history's eye, with the same reverence as the Founders. Demonized for being slave-owning white men?
TakeYouToTasker Posted March 9, 2018 Posted March 9, 2018 Just now, DC Tom said: Demonized for being slave-owning white men? History offers a few perks to everyone. Even the Grants of the world.
row_33 Posted March 9, 2018 Posted March 9, 2018 10 minutes ago, TakeYouToTasker said: We are living during times which will generate a new generation of leadership icons which will be viewed, through history's eye, with the same reverence as the Founders. Trey Gowdy's role in this will line him up as the 46th President in 2024 in order to see out the work currently being done. nah, Trump gets 2 terms and then The People will just for the sake of "change for change sake" put the Dems in for 2 terms People will get sick of things getting corrected and conclude it's all too fast and too harsh and then go back to the safety net society.
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