PromoTheRobot Posted March 9, 2018 Posted March 9, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, 4_kidd_4 said: I have to agree. Why the sudden hard on over the secondary market? It’s a rub as old as time. And as others have touched on, who the eff do they think this franchise is? We back-doored into a playoff spot on math and a “miracle” Dalton toss, so now they can afford to alienate out of towners? Yikes. The Patriots, with their 30,000+ waiting list, can dictate terms. The Bills cannot. The folks over at SabreSpace get fairly sanctimonious whenever Toronto comes to town and the KBC is half Leafs fans. They hate STHers who sell their seats (as if you can pick and choose who buys them.) But then they don't blame so-called Sabres fans who won't even buy heavily discounted tickets to attend games. I find the people making the most noise are the ones who never buy tickets in the first place and have only gone to games when people give them free ones. Edited March 9, 2018 by PromoTheRobot 1
Turk71 Posted March 9, 2018 Posted March 9, 2018 My brother in Atl has a pair of season tickets. Not sure when this policy started but he has had them for some years. He makes it to about half the games and gives the others to friends and family.
ricojes Posted March 9, 2018 Posted March 9, 2018 This is what they do in most markets. Season ticket holders have first choice for playoff tickets, so if you are an out of towner just looking to make money, it's a great investment. Bufffalo has been down for so long, they haven't had to worry about that scenario. I can't say i disagree with the policy.
T master Posted March 9, 2018 Posted March 9, 2018 That is total BS I bet Terry P doesn't know that if he did i would think from the type of owner he seems to be he would change that rule immediately !! If i were you i would try to get in touch with Terry or Kim some way, some how because that is just plain ignorant business on the part of the Bills !! That's like walking into a restaurant on a road trip & them saying because you don't live here & your just passing through we can't serve you !!
ricojes Posted March 9, 2018 Posted March 9, 2018 (edited) 9 minutes ago, T master said: That is total BS I bet Terry P doesn't know that if he did i would think from the type of owner he seems to be he would change that rule immediately !! If i were you i would try to get in touch with Terry or Kim some way, some how because that is just plain ignorant business on the part of the Bills !! That's like walking into a restaurant on a road trip & them saying because you don't live here & your just passing through we can't serve you !! That's a horrible analogy, not even close. If anything, it would be more like getting a coupon for locals online and the restaurant refusing to honor the discount because the coupon is for locals and you are not a local. Edited March 9, 2018 by ricojes
TakeYouToTasker Posted March 9, 2018 Posted March 9, 2018 Would this legally be considered to be discrimination?
ricojes Posted March 9, 2018 Posted March 9, 2018 2 minutes ago, TakeYouToTasker said: Would this legally be considered to be discrimination? No. This nothing new.
TakeYouToTasker Posted March 9, 2018 Posted March 9, 2018 13 minutes ago, ricojes said: No. This nothing new. I don't know that it's ever been adjudicated. Given existing law, it seems that it might.
Lfod Posted March 9, 2018 Posted March 9, 2018 (edited) I would myself probably would want to live closer then 200 miles if I ever got season tickets. Not saying anything about the policy being fair or not. Edited March 9, 2018 by Lfod
mead107 Posted March 9, 2018 Posted March 9, 2018 9 minutes ago, Lfod said: I would myself probably would want to live closer then 200 miles if I ever got season tickets. Not saying anything about the policy being fair or not. I’m over 4 hours away. Lot of peopl over that.
Mr. WEO Posted March 9, 2018 Posted March 9, 2018 12 hours ago, TigerJ said: Interesting. I did not know that. I know the resale market for tickets is huge, and a big part of that is season ticket buyers who never intended to go to more than a few games. I'm sure a lot of season ticket owners essentially go to a few games free each year because of the markup in the resale market. I wonder why the team discriminates that way though. Maybe out of towners are more likely to have to sell some of their weeks/games, but I think a lot of local sell a lot of their games because they can. The majority of those tickets to games even the season ticket holders don't want to go to are not being marked UP in the resale market..... Don't want a huge resale market to visiting teams? Want more Buffalo fan ticket holders to show up? Put a better team on the field. I doesn't get any simpler. If they can't do that, then they can't complain about empty seats in December....or be perturbed when paying customers opt to dump their tickets for whatever they can get for them.,
Heitz Posted March 9, 2018 Posted March 9, 2018 That's the craziest thing I've heard - they don't want to sell more season tickets?? And they won't sell me seasons in VT? Would it help if I told them I know Hammer, Rosen or Jack (my power triumvirate of Bills Land)? I used to have seasons for several years when I lived in PA., but to be fair that was only like an hour from the stadium. Seriously though, I don't get the worry about the resale market - I mean, the Bills will have already been paid for the tickets, so who cares if the holder resells them? Not like one is getting rich from the Bills ticket resale market (as mentioned, you can barely giveaway tickets for some of the late season games). And if I'm a season ticket holder but have another obligation, would they rather the seat is empty? I guess there could be issues with reselling to douchebags, but hey, who's to say the original owner isn't one? Interesting policy for sure...
simool Posted March 9, 2018 Posted March 9, 2018 2 hours ago, transient said: Do you think their version will be TPegs or KPegs? I would not mind seeing a Kpegs version of that at all.
Shaw66 Posted March 9, 2018 Posted March 9, 2018 Turns out the policy has been in place for a couple of years now. It makes some sense to me, especially if you think the team is on its way to some years as a championship contender. How many of these requests do you think they get? Maybe 100 a year? How many are from legitimate fans who want to attend most games, and how many are from people who will be reselling? I'd bet at least half are resellers. So the Bills are giving up $100,000 of revenue by saying no to out of town buyers. Half of them are serious fans, many or most of whom will find a way to circumvent the rules to get tickets - usually by just having a friend or relative buy for them. The resellers are more likely just to move on. In other words, the Bills will still half the tickets, and it'll only cost them about $50,000 a year to have said no. When the Bills are winning, it means they have those unsold tickets in inventory to sell to local fans who want season tickets or even single game tickets. This does several things: 1. There are fewer fans of the opposing team in the stadium. 2. The Bills are able to satisfy ticket demand in the local area, making more fans that really matter to them happy and increasing secondary market value to the Bills. Local advertisers are more interested in marketing with the Bills the more local fans are happy. 3, Selling locally means more kids coming to the games, and that helps build fan loyalty in the next generation.
Jay_Fixit Posted March 9, 2018 Posted March 9, 2018 19 hours ago, teef said: That’s what I thought. There’s a number of out of town season ticket holders on here. I’m pretty sure Shaw lives in Connecticut, and he has tickets. Well why don't you marry him?
ndirish1978 Posted March 9, 2018 Posted March 9, 2018 14 hours ago, greeneblitz said: This, and it should go for all sporting events and concerts, so sick of resellers, it all needs to be changed to a simple refund policy. Correct. But when you have freaking stadiums named after ticket resellers it's obvious they could care less about fans.
Tenhigh Posted March 9, 2018 Posted March 9, 2018 20 hours ago, MJS said: I bet they do it to prevent people from buying them strictly for resale. Not sure why they care, though, if they are selling more tickets. To me it says the owners care about their own fans, and are doing what they can to prevent $100 seats from selling for $500 on the secondary market. Secondary market prices real fans out of events all the time. The Super Bowl is the ultimate example of this. 1 hour ago, T master said: That is total BS I bet Terry P doesn't know that if he did i would think from the type of owner he seems to be he would change that rule immediately !! If i were you i would try to get in touch with Terry or Kim some way, some how because that is just plain ignorant business on the part of the Bills !! That's like walking into a restaurant on a road trip & them saying because you don't live here & your just passing through we can't serve you !! Totally disagree. I think he knows EXACTLY what this means. It does more good than bad imho. 16 minutes ago, Shaw66 said: Turns out the policy has been in place for a couple of years now. It makes some sense to me, especially if you think the team is on its way to some years as a championship contender. How many of these requests do you think they get? Maybe 100 a year? How many are from legitimate fans who want to attend most games, and how many are from people who will be reselling? I'd bet at least half are resellers. So the Bills are giving up $100,000 of revenue by saying no to out of town buyers. Half of them are serious fans, many or most of whom will find a way to circumvent the rules to get tickets - usually by just having a friend or relative buy for them. The resellers are more likely just to move on. In other words, the Bills will still half the tickets, and it'll only cost them about $50,000 a year to have said no. When the Bills are winning, it means they have those unsold tickets in inventory to sell to local fans who want season tickets or even single game tickets. This does several things: 1. There are fewer fans of the opposing team in the stadium. 2. The Bills are able to satisfy ticket demand in the local area, making more fans that really matter to them happy and increasing secondary market value to the Bills. Local advertisers are more interested in marketing with the Bills the more local fans are happy. 3, Selling locally means more kids coming to the games, and that helps build fan loyalty in the next generation. Ding ding ding......
Heitz Posted March 9, 2018 Posted March 9, 2018 24 minutes ago, Shaw66 said: It makes some sense to me, especially if you think the team is on its way to some years as a championship contender. How many of these requests do you think they get? Maybe 100 a year? I agree with the first part, but still a bold policy for a team that hasn't been a championship contender in, well, "a while"! But I'm guessing they get a LOT more than 100 per year. They're so close to the PA and Ohio boarder, plus I've met season ticket holders from Vermont, New Hampshire and beyond! Who really knows, the Bills must think it's not going to affect them much and I'm assuming they have the data...
Just Joshin' Posted March 9, 2018 Posted March 9, 2018 1 hour ago, TakeYouToTasker said: I don't know that it's ever been adjudicated. Given existing law, it seems that it might. Disagree - on what factual basis do you make this statement?
teef Posted March 9, 2018 Posted March 9, 2018 56 minutes ago, Jay_Fixit said: Well why don't you marry him? Is...is that in the table?
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