K-9 Posted March 9, 2018 Posted March 9, 2018 9 minutes ago, 3rdand12 said: ... he would have died . he knew and so should you. worst route when poorly thrown ever. and back then MLB or even box safety could just stand there and cleaver his head clean off with only a 15 yard PI penalty. Well 3rd, that kind of makes the point, doesn’t it? Fear never stopped the likes of Andre Reed and others from venturing across the middle. Players can get hurt in any given play so fear needs to be managed and overcome. There’s also the element of how that route relates to the others run on a particular play as well. Route schemes are interdependent.
Alphadawg7 Posted March 9, 2018 Posted March 9, 2018 (edited) 6 minutes ago, 3rdand12 said: Well. thats still aint half bad is it? and Bills did what last year with WRs? Nothing really. whilst all blame TT piss poor moves generally speaking because all about picks and cap and the Vision. I didn't say it was bad...I was correcting people who keep mistakenly saying he was on pace for a 1200 yard season based on the anomaly of one game in his 12 games. Woods production was not really higher in LA than it was with the Bills despite playing on a team that threw more, but he keeps getting talked about like he had a huge season. He was not going to even break 1000 yards had he played all 16 games. LA is the perfect role for him. He has Sammy drawing the best corner and double teams, he has Gurley making teams both respect the run and cover the short pass to him, with slot guys like Kupp and the two talented TE's drawing coverage over the middle. He is a great weapon for the team, but still his performance gets blown way out of proportion on this board too often because of a single big game. What will be interesting is how he plays next year if Watkins leaves and he is now drawing the best coverage as the #1 target. He has struggled in the past as the #1 WR and I don't know its a good fit for him. Edited March 9, 2018 by Alphadawg7 1
Reed83HOF Posted March 9, 2018 Posted March 9, 2018 3 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said: I didn't say it was bad...I was correcting people who keep mistakenly saying he was on pace for a 1200 yard season based on the anomaly of one game in his 12 games. Woods production was not really higher in LA than it was with the Bills despite playing on a team that threw more, but he keeps getting talked about like he had a huge season. He was not going to even break 1000 yards had he played all 16 games.
3rdand12 Posted March 9, 2018 Posted March 9, 2018 1 minute ago, K-9 said: Well 3rd, that kind of makes the point, doesn’t it? Fear never stopped the likes of Andre Reed and others from venturing across the middle. Players can get hurt in any given play so fear needs to be managed and overcome. There’s also the element of how that route relates to the others run on a particular play as well. Route schemes are interdependent. I did not mean to over simplify. But being thrown into coverage that is waiting for the bell ringing hit caused Evans to shy. Trusting the QB. Manuel screwed his receivers doing just that. They might have held a silent WR solidifying protest for all I know. Perhaps Tyrod last year earned the same. But Yes it was obvious indeed about Evans before and after he was traded (?) he was not going to run those crosses and or lay out for the ball.
Reed83HOF Posted March 9, 2018 Posted March 9, 2018 3 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said: Dont get me wrong, he played well...but he still had less than 800 yards is all I was saying. His production wasn't much better than it was here. My biggest issue with Woods when he was here is that he never really took advantage of opportunities to be a leading WR for a team. Even in LA, he greatly benefited from the double coverage Sammy drew and also the array of other weapons teams had to defend in Watkins, Gurley (running and short passes), Kupp, Austin, and both TE's. Woods can be quite good when he is in a situation like he is in here in LA. I don't disagree, I think it is simply Goff & McVey > TT and Wrecks = more coverage
K-9 Posted March 9, 2018 Posted March 9, 2018 6 minutes ago, 3rdand12 said: I did not mean to over simplify. But being thrown into coverage that is waiting for the bell ringing hit caused Evans to shy. Trusting the QB. Manuel screwed his receivers doing just that. They might have held a silent WR solidifying protest for all I know. Perhaps Tyrod last year earned the same. But Yes it was obvious indeed about Evans before and after he was traded (?) he was not going to run those crosses and or lay out for the ball. Great point about trust, especially when that trust is placed in an inaccurate QB. But again, not running the route causes the entire route scheme to suffer. 1
Paulus Posted March 9, 2018 Posted March 9, 2018 Well, Whaley's WR selections really don't seem all that bad. Woods, Watkins, & Goodwin have all gotten respect elsewhere that they didn't get here. The problem is and was the Bills offensive line, offensive scheme, and QB. I guess the last of the TT apologists are shriveling up at this point.
Boatdrinks Posted March 9, 2018 Posted March 9, 2018 10 hours ago, jmc12290 said: MG had the better year. Watkins is a much better player.
#34fan Posted March 9, 2018 Posted March 9, 2018 First dumb move this year for the Niners.... Goodwin will be hurt by week 5. 1
GunnerBill Posted March 9, 2018 Posted March 9, 2018 (edited) He is still crap. The Shanahan offense does get production out of pretty useless little speed guys though. Taylor Gabriel went back to looking what he actually is this year without it. It is a good fit for Goodwin though and that contract isn't too bad. Edited March 9, 2018 by GunnerBill
Reed83HOF Posted March 9, 2018 Posted March 9, 2018 Tyler DunneVerified account @TyDunne 8m8 minutes ago What a deal for Marquise Goodwin in San Francisco. Another blow to the "Tyrod didn't have weapons" argument, another sign Buffalo needs to turn the page at QB. Goodwin... Robert Woods... Chris Hogan... Sammy Watkins...
Paul Costa Posted March 9, 2018 Posted March 9, 2018 20 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said: Rewarded for a great season, he is a talented guy (when healthy). Goodwin is a great guy and one that we should be happy for. Congrats to him!!! ???? 1
Cmdjr85 Posted March 9, 2018 Posted March 9, 2018 20 hours ago, Doc said: F him. He finally decided to grow up and take his job seriously instead of dicking-around with the Olympics and lo and behold he stays healthy and produces. Olympics are every 4 years, the window to make the team is very small. Expecially is athletics where younger athletes are coming on the scene every year. And considering only 3 guys make it in each event. Its an oporitunity you dont turn down.
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted March 9, 2018 Posted March 9, 2018 22 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said: Actually, thats really a myth. Prior to the 171 yard game he played 8 games. In those 8 games he had a 100 game just once. In the other 7 games, he totaled just 343 yards. Which is an average of 49 yards per game, never having a game over 70 yards. In fact, his 3rd biggest yardage total of the season was the very first game returning from injury with 81 yards. So he didn't "Peter out" as you put it, in fact in the 2 games prior to getting hurt he had just 70 and 59 yards respectively. People keep talking about this 1200 yard pace, but its an illusion and a fallacy all based on one game out of 11 that he had a big game. Outside that one game, he averaged 55 yards per game in the other 11 games. So had he played 4 more games, near his average, he would have finished with less than 1000 yards receiving and no where near 1200 yards. Woods was a good contributor to the Rams, but it was not anything more than he did for the Bills despite being on a team that threw more than Bills did while he was here. We can debate math vs myth, but in the end the last sentence is the right one
3rdand12 Posted March 9, 2018 Posted March 9, 2018 12 hours ago, GunnerBill said: He is still crap. The Shanahan offense does get production out of pretty useless little speed guys though. Taylor Gabriel went back to looking what he actually is this year without it. It is a good fit for Goodwin though and that contract isn't too bad. you seem a bit bi polar here ?
GunnerBill Posted March 10, 2018 Posted March 10, 2018 2 minutes ago, 3rdand12 said: you seem a bit bi polar here ? Nope. I think he is crap. He doesn't fit many offenses. That is maybe the one he does fit and they haven't tied themselves to him for too long or too much.
3rdand12 Posted March 10, 2018 Posted March 10, 2018 8 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: Nope. I think he is crap. He doesn't fit many offenses. That is maybe the one he does fit and they haven't tied themselves to him for too long or too much. But he a is a good fit ? If he were truly crap. he would fit nowhere but the CFL perhaps. Since he has been focused solely on the NFL, perhaps is no longer the crap you perceived him to be while in Buffalo ?
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