Some team at the combine asked a player if he is gay

[JMF2006]

5 minutes ago, T-Bomb said:

 

Welp, that take smells of a progressive who lives in fantasy land and not reality...  The left really has to stop it with the "whoever disagrees with me is just racist, transphobic, yadda", then somehow finding their way to NAZI in like 20.3 milliseconds"...

 

 

 

 

 

That will never change.

1 minute ago, Augie said:

 

Are you........ available?   

 

LMAO

 

 

 

 

[#34fan]

Asking someone if their mother's a slut could cost you some teeth at a regular job interview... Unless you're interviewing for the CIA, there's no place for questions like these anywhere in the workplace.

 

 

6 hours ago, JMF2006 said:

The big question is............is he?   

 

I fairness, he does seem gay... 100% his business, tho..

[Ol Dirty B]

15 hours ago, PaattMaann said:

 

it could certainly help factor into a decision about a questionable player, are they easily unhinged? 

 

I don't understand why some on this board cannot comprehend how a players response to something like this reveals a glimpse into someones character or attitude/makeup 

 

If I go to a professional job interview and someone asks me if my mom's a whore or if I'm gay I'm walking out of the interview.

 

And that's a completely fine way to react. Do you realize how dumb you sound defending this? These questions have nothing to do with how one responds to adversity or any of what you are saying.

 

It's insulting. I don't think they would, but I really hope this isn't the Bills or I'm rooting against them until the GM and coach were to be fired. 

[Ol Dirty B]

14 hours ago, LABillzFan said:

 

It doesn't matter if Guice thinks it's a big deal. The sports media will run this because you must care as they do. (In fact, why do you still call the Redskins by their name, you offensive fool!)
 

And then the rest of the media will play it up.

 

And by tomorrow afternoon a team will be fined and have to issue an apology, followed by countless Michael Sam interviews, and before it's all done, the NFL will make the offending team wear rainbow colors for their Thursday Night Football Color Rush.

 

Mark it.

 

They deserve the fine, and they should apologize to Guice. Anyone defending the team that did this is a neanderthal. 

 

Asking if his mom's a prostitute?  I'm not sure why you are trying to politicize it. I only see the right in this thread politicizing, and it's a reason I'm embarrassed to be a conservative. Most of you come across as morons and complain about things being political when no one other than you is making it political.

 

It should pretty much be universal that the team is completely in the wrong. Instead it appears you're attempting make any criticisms of your stupid league illegitimate and liberal. It's not, they don't get to do whatever they want you simpleton. 

6 hours ago, T-Bomb said:

 

Welp, that take smells of a progressive who lives in fantasy land and not reality...  The left really has to stop it with the "whoever disagrees with me is just racist, transphobic, yadda", then somehow finding their way to NAZI in like 20.3 milliseconds"...

 

 

 

Care to show any examples of this? I haven't read the whole thread but I haven't seen any of this. He didn't say any of what you just listed off, you might as well have not even quoted his post, because getting to where you got from his post... wow.  Talking about fantasy land and what not, Jesus man, look in a mirror. 

 

Maybe you should evaluate your own thinking as well. 

Edited March 9, 2018 by Ol Dirty B

[Coach Tuesday]

12 hours ago, TakeYouToTasker said:

I don't know that it's as cut and dried as you're making it out to be.  A job offer cannot be extended by the team.

 

And again, you can't ignore the fact that players are demanding an official NFL social advocacy platform for their beliefs.  Teams have a right to know what those beliefs are.

 

Being gay is not a “belief.”

[JMF2006]

2 hours ago, #34fan said:

Asking someone if their mother's a slut could cost you some teeth at a regular job interview... Unless you're interviewing for the CIA, there's no place for questions like these anywhere in the workplace.

 

 

 

I fairness, he does seem gay... 100% his business, tho..

 

I am joking,I don't really care.

 

[GunnerBill]

7 hours ago, T-Bomb said:

 

Welp, that take smells of a progressive who lives in fantasy land and not reality...  The left really has to stop it with the "whoever disagrees with me is just racist, transphobic, yadda", then somehow finding their way to NAZI in like 20.3 milliseconds"...

 

 

Hahahaha. I think making wild exaggerations about what those who you disagree with might be closer to a fantasy land.

 

The competition rules are clear about what you can and can't ask, the law is equally clear. This is as much a privacy issue as it is a discrimination one. I thought the conservative right believed in individual privacy? 

 

 

 

 

[T-Bomb]

1 hour ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Hahahaha. I think making wild exaggerations about what those who you disagree with might be closer to a fantasy land.

 

The competition rules are clear about what you can and can't ask, the law is equally clear. This is as much a privacy issue as it is a discrimination one. I thought the conservative right believed in individual privacy? 

 

 

 

 

 

It's a general statement about societal direction (social media and media driven mostly) not this thread.  And I used the term smell...

[Rochesterfan]

18 hours ago, whatdrought said:

 

Different approaches for different people. Obviously the questions that they asked him bothered him. They learned something because of that. 

 

 

What did they really learn though (and this is the issue)?  The player answered however he answered - he then gets asked by the media about dumb questions and this gets pointed out.  The question will come out and the player by the sounds of it gave a measured response and laughed it off.

 

Risk versus Reward - you asked a question that gets you very limited info, makes your team look bad, risks potential FA and UDFA from choosing your team, and after multiple times being told that you can’t do this risk penalties to the team.  

 

The line of questioning is is dumb and unnecessary - you want to get a rise - there are lots of football related ways to see if you can get a rise, if you are worried about fan or social media - they all have access- most of these guys have been on social media since high school and the NFL fans are not any worse than college fans - especially like with SEC rivalries or ACC.

 

 

[PolishDave]

I think it is hilarious that a person can create such a stir in random people just by asking another dude if he is gay..

 

Manufactured hysteria because people love drama.

 

[GunnerBill]

Just now, PolishDave said:

I think it is hilarious that a person can create such a stir in random people just by asking another dude if he is gay..

 

Manufactured hysteria because people love drama.

 

 

It is not the fact he asked a dude if he is gay it is the fact he asked in a situation where he is forbidden from asking - and for very good reason.  It isn't manufactured hysteria it is legitimate disbelief that this sort of thing still goes on in the league.  It is beyond time for this nonsense to stop.  

[PolishDave]

Just now, GunnerBill said:

 

It is not the fact he asked a dude if he is gay it is the fact he asked in a situation where he is forbidden from asking - and for very good reason.  It isn't manufactured hysteria it is legitimate disbelief that this sort of thing still goes on in the league.  It is beyond time for this nonsense to stop.  

 

Total 100% manufactured drama.

 

Sorry.   That's just how I see it.     It is a manipulation tactic.   And it works (nearly) every time.

 

It has worked for thousands of years and will continue to work (in my opinion) for a thousand more if humans survive that long.

 

[GunnerBill]

Just now, PolishDave said:

 

Total 100% manufactured drama.

 

Sorry.   That's just how I see it.     It is a manipulation tactic.   And it works (nearly) every time.

 

It has worked for thousands of years and will continue to work (in my opinion) for a thousand more if humans survive that long.

 

 

Who is manipulating people? The guy who had to answer questions about his sexuality and his mother's sex life in an interview......?  I think you are angry at the wrong people.  

 

Just how I see it.  

[PolishDave]

3 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Who is manipulating people? The guy who had to answer questions about his sexuality and his mother's sex life in an interview......?  I think you are angry at the wrong people.  

 

Just how I see it.  

 

You are mistaken.    I am not angry at all.

 

Just throwing in my alternative viewpoint.    I came to my conclusion after reading how people were reacting to this story.

 

People are free to care about whatever they want... You, me, everyone else.

 

Most of the people who already contributed in this thread who end up reading what I posted will disagree with it.    That is their prerogative.

 

A small percentage will read it and go - "Ya know what, he is probably right."    It is so hard to realize it is happening to you when it happens and it happens to us all.

 

[Royale with Cheese]

What answer did he give?  Only on Thursdays?

[Hapless Bills Fan]

11 hours ago, T-Bomb said:

Welp, that take smells of a progressive who lives in fantasy land and not reality...  The left really has to stop it with the "whoever disagrees with me is just racist, transphobic, yadda", then somehow finding their way to NAZI in like 20.3 milliseconds"...

 

Wait, WHAT?  How did a case of a football team asking questions that the NFL has clearly marked OOB or which are insulting and intended to elicit a reaction, turn into "the left", an accusation of "you think everyone who disagrees is racist or homophobic or NAZI"?  How about we say "the right really has to stop it with the whoever disagrees with me is a lefty liberal Social Justice Crusader and finding their way to SNOWFLAKE in like 20.3 milliseconds"?

 

Can you see how goofy that is, really? 

 

I disagree with JohnC ... a lot...often...but he's right on this.  It was stupid....asking a question the NFL has clearly said is not allowed, and another that most of humanity finds offensive (including certified redneck flag waving MAGA hat wearers, they don't like their Mamas insulted any more than snowflake liberals do), for no good purpose .... if the guy is a hothead with fans on SM or with his adrenaline up on the playing field, it won't necessarily come out from asking obviously "provocateur" questions ......doesn't test his football IQ or coachability....doesn't give them new information their scouts haven't turned up from SM or interviewing coaches/teammates/friends

[BuffaloHokie13]

12 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

What answer did he give?  Only on Thursdays?

I believe he said "I've been pretty good at fitting through tight holes my entire career"

[Royale with Cheese]

1 minute ago, BuffaloHokie13 said:

I believe he said "I've been pretty good at fitting through tight holes my entire career"

 

If a prospect gave me this answer, I absolutely draft him.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

18 hours ago, DrDawkinstein said:

Teams dont care if the player is gay, and they already know their orientation well before the interview.

They only ask it to see how the player reacts to give them some indication of how he is going to handle himself when taunted.

That said, it is technically illegal for an employer to ask that, regardless of what they are trying to accomplish. But this is the world of the NFL we're talking about.

 

As long as they arent discriminating based on the player's orientation, I dont have a big problem with it.

They do know. They just want to see how the player will react. Will he get incredulous? If so, not a good sign for when he's rich and famous and someone in the club throws some shade his way.

It's not about how they answer in interviews. It's about how they are going to react in everyday life, or out with their friends. Can they be baited into an altercation?

 

I understand your first 3 points, but in this case, the "World of the NFL" has previously said "you can't ask that".  So, No.

 

The other side of the point is: are these questions actually an effective way to determine how the player will handle himself when taunted or in any other "everyday life" reaction?  I would put it to you that they pretty well already know if a guy has signs of social media immaturity or being able to be baited on the field/locker room before the interview just as they know his orientation.  In contrast, the Combine interview is an artificial situation - I'm sure handlers/coaches tell their guys these sorts of things may be asked, just keep your cool.  It's nowhere near the "high adrenaline" situation of a football game or a locker room after a chippy practice with guys desperate to make the team.  So IMHO it's an unproductive use of a portion of a very short interview and even understanding it's intended purpose, not likely to be effective. 

 

If you want to know how the guy reacts to some stress, like I and others have said, show him some film clips of his own bad plays and push him a little on that.  Show him a whiffed block or a missed tackle and say something that insults his manhood as a player.   You can get at a guy's temperment without bringing his female relatives into the room.

 

[bobobonators]

21 hours ago, BuffaloBillsGospel said:

These are the same lines of questions our own police force uses as a way to see how you react out in the field. The psychological exam for State Trooper would ask you far worse questions than these.

 

No they dont.