whatdrought Posted March 8, 2018 Posted March 8, 2018 On 3/8/2018 at 4:44 PM, GunnerBill said: You are right that I don't think legally it is a "job interview" that would need to be tested by the courts if someone genuinely felt that had been unlawfully discriminated against. Teams might "want to know it" but they have no right to know it and frankly no right to ask it. I would not be shy in letting them know that. I refused to answer a question once in an interview about my relationship status. It has nothing to do with the employer. Expand I agree that they don't have a right to know it, but they certainly have a right (or at least think they do) to ask it. Well that's the beauty of the voluntary interview/meeting... he could have refused to answer. The problem is that he went to the media (for whatever reason) and this is becoming a large spectacle.
Buffalo_Stampede Posted March 8, 2018 Posted March 8, 2018 On 3/8/2018 at 4:42 PM, GunnerBill said: If don't do social media in any sense and I certainly wouldn't if I was a prominent public figure. I don't see how that abuse which is totally and entirely unacceptable somehow justifies teams asking questions about a person's sex life, or their mother's sexual history? Expand It's just a question. They can't force you to answer. Just say that's personal and move on.
GunnerBill Posted March 8, 2018 Posted March 8, 2018 On 3/8/2018 at 4:44 PM, whatdrought said: So how come some questions are okay for that and others aren't? Expand Because asking me whether I read, or whether I drive, or whether I play playstation in my spare time is not an invasion of my privacy. Asking who I sleep with and who my mother sleeps with is. This really is not difficult. On 3/8/2018 at 4:46 PM, whatdrought said: I agree that they don't have a right to know it, but they certainly have a right (or at least think they do) to ask it. Well that's the beauty of the voluntary interview/meeting... he could have refused to answer. The problem is that he went to the media (for whatever reason) and this is becoming a large spectacle. Expand No the problem is that he was asked the question. If I was asked I'd refuse to answer and if they pushed I would terminate the interview walk straight to the press pack and name and shame. 1
Buffalo_Stampede Posted March 8, 2018 Posted March 8, 2018 On 3/8/2018 at 4:46 PM, PromoTheRobot said: Why does your sexual orientation or what your mother does for work matter to how well you play football? Expand Every NFL player takes classes on how to respond to media and fans. It's not just football when you become an NFL player, or even major college football.
whatdrought Posted March 8, 2018 Posted March 8, 2018 On 3/8/2018 at 4:46 PM, GunnerBill said: But it didn't affect the team. He played a few pre-season games, got more attention than your typical 7th round pick, and then got cut. It doesn't matter. Not a jot. Expand But that's where we disagree... Anytime there is undo media attention it does affect the team. Another example is Tim Tebow and the attention he received for his religious beliefs. It affects the team because it interrupts the normal operation of things. I am not saying that should be reason to preclude such information, but it is reasonable for teams to want to know if the guy they are going to draft has any unexpected baggage that he brings with them. I will gladly admit though, that I have no clue if that is why the question was asked. I like to imagine it was, but it isn't hard to believe it was meant only to get a rise out of him.
Kirby Jackson Posted March 8, 2018 Posted March 8, 2018 On 3/8/2018 at 4:44 PM, TheTruthHurts said: They aren't asking because they want to know, they are asking to see the response because teams know fans say the worst things to players. Even other players will try to get under their skin. Expand That’s exactly what I’m saying. It’s out of line. There are a lot of ways to get to know how someone will respond to a tough situation that are more appropriate than “i heard your mom is a hooker...” 1
Buffalo_Stampede Posted March 8, 2018 Posted March 8, 2018 On 3/8/2018 at 4:50 PM, Kirby Jackson said: That’s exactly what I’m saying. It’s out of line. There are a lot of ways to get to know how someone will respond to a tough situation that are more appropriate than “i heard your mom is a hooker...” Expand Like what?
PaattMaann Posted March 8, 2018 Posted March 8, 2018 On 3/8/2018 at 4:50 PM, Kirby Jackson said: That’s exactly what I’m saying. It’s out of line. There are a lot of ways to get to know how someone will respond to a tough situation that are more appropriate than “i heard your mom is a hooker...” Expand I can't think of one more appropriate what would your questions be? 1
whatdrought Posted March 8, 2018 Posted March 8, 2018 On 3/8/2018 at 4:48 PM, GunnerBill said: Because asking me whether I read, or whether I drive, or whether I play playstation in my spare time is not an invasion of my privacy. Asking who I sleep with and who my mother sleeps with is. This really is not difficult. No the problem is that he was asked the question. If I was asked I'd refuse to answer and if they pushed I would terminate the interview walk straight to the press pack and name and shame. Expand How can you say one is an invasion of privacy and the other isn't?
Kirby Jackson Posted March 8, 2018 Posted March 8, 2018 On 3/8/2018 at 4:44 PM, whatdrought said: So how come some questions are okay for that and others aren't? Expand I’ve been asked a lot of questions in a job interview (again that’s what this is). The people are trying to get to know who I am, how I will fit and what I would do in certain situations. I’ve interviewed 100 or so people as well. In no situation did anyone ever say “I heard that your mom is a hooker” to learn about someone. There are more appropriate ways.
GunnerBill Posted March 8, 2018 Posted March 8, 2018 On 3/8/2018 at 4:50 PM, whatdrought said: But that's where we disagree... Anytime there is undo media attention it does affect the team. Expand How was the attention on Sam "undue"? I don't think it was. He got more attention than a 7th rounder but none of it was negative attention. It wasn't a distraction, it was few positive headlines and a few extra cameras at training camp.
Kirby Jackson Posted March 8, 2018 Posted March 8, 2018 (edited) On 3/8/2018 at 4:51 PM, TheTruthHurts said: Like what? Expand “Tell me a specific time that someone said something negative about you on social media and how did you feel?” “You responded with _____. Why?” The reality the teams probably already knows the answer here. Edited March 8, 2018 by Kirby Jackson
jr1 Posted March 8, 2018 Posted March 8, 2018 they should be limited to football and strength conditioning questions only
whatdrought Posted March 8, 2018 Posted March 8, 2018 On 3/8/2018 at 4:52 PM, GunnerBill said: How was the attention on Sam "undue"? I don't think it was. He got more attention than a 7th rounder but none of it was negative attention. It wasn't a distraction, it was few positive headlines and a few extra cameras at training camp. Expand Maybe I wasn't clear. By undo I simply meant any unexpected attention. Not specifically negative.
Augie Posted March 8, 2018 Posted March 8, 2018 On 3/8/2018 at 4:07 PM, GunnerBill said: So would I and then I'd absolutely name and shame who it was who asked as well. Expand If players did that maybe it would STOP. 1
CountDorkula Posted March 8, 2018 Posted March 8, 2018 On 3/8/2018 at 3:59 PM, Seanbillsfan2206 said: I have no problem with this. Maybe his mother is a prostitute ??♂️ Expand Are you gay? IS your mother a whore? Do you know who your dad is?
GunnerBill Posted March 8, 2018 Posted March 8, 2018 On 3/8/2018 at 4:51 PM, whatdrought said: How can you say one is an invasion of privacy and the other isn't? Expand I can't believe you really think that the two questions are comparable.
whatdrought Posted March 8, 2018 Posted March 8, 2018 On 3/8/2018 at 4:52 PM, Kirby Jackson said: I’ve been asked a lot of questions in a job interview (again that’s what this is). The people are trying to get to know who I am, how I will fit and what I would do in certain situations. I’ve interviewed 100 or so people as well. In no situation did anyone ever say “I heard that your mom is a hooker” to learn about someone. There are more appropriate ways. Expand If at the end of the conversation, is the team going to offer him a job that he can accept or deny on the spot? Without that, I don't know how it can be considered a job interview.
GunnerBill Posted March 8, 2018 Posted March 8, 2018 On 3/8/2018 at 4:52 PM, Kirby Jackson said: I’ve been asked a lot of questions in a job interview (again that’s what this is). The people are trying to get to know who I am, how I will fit and what I would do in certain situations. I’ve interviewed 100 or so people as well. In no situation did anyone ever say “I heard that your mom is a hooker” to learn about someone. There are more appropriate ways. Expand Yep. Totally agree.
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