Hapless Bills Fan Posted March 8, 2018 Posted March 8, 2018 32 minutes ago, horned dogs said: DeSean Watson was around this last year if I remember correctly 45, per the link above.
billspro Posted March 8, 2018 Posted March 8, 2018 (edited) 45 minutes ago, DCOrange said: For those that might be wondering, basically anyone that throws less than 55 MPH has no chance of being successful in the NFL. Only like 2 QBs have been and one of those 2 is Tyrod. Notable guys that didn't make the cut: Mason Rudolph Kyle Lauletta Lamar Jackson Luke Falk Allen broke the record for strongest arm ever and Baker Mayfield is top 5 all time. http://www.ourlads.com/story/default/Quarterback-Ball-Velocity-at-2018-NFL-Combine/10241/dh/ Edit: I should add that tracking the ball velocity is still pretty young (I believe only going back to 2008 if I remember right), but the lack of success for anyone under 55 is pretty scary. Very impressive for Rosen and Mayfield. I thought Jackson had a bigger arm than that. That is another red flag for him with the accuracy issues. The other guys didn't have great arms on tape so I am not surprised. There are not many pocket passers that make it with low velocity. I would be a little worried expecting Falk or Lauletta to be anything more than backups. I still think Rudolph has a chance though. Edited March 8, 2018 by billspro
Mij yllek Posted March 8, 2018 Posted March 8, 2018 Here is a much more comprehensive assessment of the QB's: https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/news/2018-nfl-draft-rankings-accuracy-arm-strength-and-everything-to-know-about-qbs/
Schmuggs Posted March 8, 2018 Posted March 8, 2018 Did you just call TRod successful??? bwahahahaha!!!????
transplantbillsfan Posted March 8, 2018 Posted March 8, 2018 Bwahahahahaha!!! Folks... look at who has the weakest arm... wow... what a bunch crap. Doesn't seem to jibe with reality... in the same way Tyrod was measured as having a weak arm But according to this, Jackson's arm is weaker than Tyrod's... and both their arms are weaker than EVERY other QB measured at the 2018 Combine. Anyone else?
H2o Posted March 8, 2018 Posted March 8, 2018 I will admit that Chad Pennington's was probably about 34, but he was a successful QB.
TigerJ Posted March 8, 2018 Posted March 8, 2018 Hmmm. Tyrod Taylor - 50 It is an interesting stat, and obviously the stronger the arm the better, but arm strength is one thing a QB can develop. I suspect there have been successful QBs who could only throw in the upper 40s.
Reed83HOF Posted March 8, 2018 Posted March 8, 2018 ok - Fake news Benjamin AllbrightVerified account @AllbrightNFL 13m13 minutes ago Since apparently it wasn't clear to some, the combine velocity numbers released earlier are NOT the ones I use.
RememberTheRockpile Posted March 8, 2018 Posted March 8, 2018 Quote They tell me "Two MPH ball velocity isn't a big difference..." It's about a yard per second (2.934 feet) In a vacuum.
BillsFan4 Posted March 8, 2018 Posted March 8, 2018 1 hour ago, Mij yllek said: Here is a much more comprehensive assessment of the QB's: https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/news/2018-nfl-draft-rankings-accuracy-arm-strength-and-everything-to-know-about-qbs/ I think it's pretty safe to say that Chris Trapasso is a Mason Rudolph fan... lol.
Buffalo Barbarian Posted March 8, 2018 Posted March 8, 2018 7 hours ago, DCOrange said: For those that might be wondering, basically anyone that throws less than 55 MPH has no chance of being successful in the NFL. Only like 2 QBs have been and one of those 2 is Tyrod. Notable guys that didn't make the cut: Mason Rudolph Kyle Lauletta Lamar Jackson Luke Falk Allen broke the record for strongest arm ever and Baker Mayfield is top 5 all time. http://www.ourlads.com/story/default/Quarterback-Ball-Velocity-at-2018-NFL-Combine/10241/dh/ Edit: I should add that tracking the ball velocity is still pretty young (I believe only going back to 2008 if I remember right), but the lack of success for anyone under 55 is pretty scary. He'll Yeah! My boy Mayfield! 1
NewEra Posted March 8, 2018 Posted March 8, 2018 7 hours ago, H2o said: Another reason to NOT like Jackson. 49mph, tied with Flowers for the lowest of any QB. Just say no. And iirc, the same a Deshaun Watson
GunnerBill Posted March 8, 2018 Posted March 8, 2018 That spreadsheet is increasingly devalued and its arbitrary "minimum thresholds" need to be consigned to the NFL history bin with 12 round drafts, coaches wearing fedoras and the Houston Oilers. Look, I get it, we live in the analytics age and there is a deep desire to build metrics that you can predict future success against. But the 55mph was absolute nonsense in the first place because the spreadsheet never had measurements for guys who would to the eye at least not have the strongest arms but went on to show they could play - Matt Ryan being the key one. The fact is that 55mph is not predictive factor in a guy's success as an NFL Quarterback. Nor is hand size. You want to know the best way to predict whether someone will succeed in the NFL? Watch their college tape and interrogate it thoroughly.
H2o Posted March 8, 2018 Posted March 8, 2018 46 minutes ago, NewEra said: And iirc, the same a Deshaun Watson And iirc, he can't hold Watson's jock as a passer. 1
FeelingOnYouboty Posted March 8, 2018 Posted March 8, 2018 I remember arguing with people for a year that Mayfield has a great arm. People are so lazy with their analysis that you have a guy who is 6’0 they immediately question his arm strength but don’t watch tape. Ball explodes off his hand. 1
CommonCents Posted March 8, 2018 Posted March 8, 2018 Mayfield just keeps warming my heart more and more each day.
K D Posted March 8, 2018 Posted March 8, 2018 A lot of the velocity numbers are a direct result of form. Jackson for instance throws all arm, doesnt get his lower body into it. Rudolph trying to drop back was absolutely comical. The guy is not a QB. Who doesn't know how to do a 3 step drop? I know a lot of guys like Mayfield and he showed good velocity because he gets his whole body into it. A little too much in fact. He has to step up and basically do a curl hop to throw a deep ball. The pocket isn't that large in the NFL to be able to do that, especially when you are short. You need to keep a certain depth otherwise you are stepping right into the pass rush. Josh Rosen has flawless form and maybe he's not the best arm but he's right up there because he is well balanced and has a nice motion. All of the drills Tom Brady does with Tom House, I saw that in action with Rosen. I would bet anything that he has worked with him. Absolute perfection. Josh Allen it's just pure natural talent. His drop back was actually very nice and I was surprised. I don't know if he's been working on it or if he's just a pure thrower of the football. The numbers speak for themselves. The guy is next level
H2o Posted March 8, 2018 Posted March 8, 2018 24 minutes ago, FeelingOnYouboty said: I remember arguing with people for a year that Mayfield has a great arm. People are so lazy with their analysis that you have a guy who is 6’0 they immediately question his arm strength but don’t watch tape. Ball explodes off his hand. Best QB in the draft
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