SouthNYfan Posted March 7, 2018 Posted March 7, 2018 4 minutes ago, jeremy2020 said: This isn't surprising. His play has fallen off and he's getting older. Right time to move on for them. His play was fine until the Achilles tear... Now? Who knows?
thebandit27 Posted March 7, 2018 Posted March 7, 2018 23 minutes ago, dave mcbride said: That was my immediate thought too. I think he'd have to be willing to take a team-friendly deal, since I'm pretty confident that they're going to try to re-sign Solder and Burkhead, and they only have $19M in cap space
Malazan Posted March 7, 2018 Posted March 7, 2018 Just now, SouthNYfan said: His play was fine until the Achilles tear... Now? Who knows? "Fine" isn't what you're looking for at 13 million especially when coming off and injury with no plans to pay him the crazy amount he's going to want after next season.
CommonCents Posted March 7, 2018 Posted March 7, 2018 2 minutes ago, thebandit27 said: I think he'd have to be willing to take a team-friendly deal, since I'm pretty confident that they're going to try to re-sign Solder and Burkhead, and they only have $19M in cap space Up in the air on Solder returning, local media saying the Pats have had talks with the Skins and Bears about Cooks. Looking for a 2nd.
cba fan Posted March 7, 2018 Posted March 7, 2018 1 hour ago, Canadian Bills Fan said: How much would he be asking for in free agency is the question He may never be the same coming off Achilles injury. With that injury likely slowing him down he would become a crazed man on the field as he can not keep up anymore. He also would then lead the league in PI/holding if he played in Buffalo as Bills do not get preferential treatment from officials on those calls like Seahawks have received for years. AFC East refs are conditioned to call it for Pats year in and year out. Not like Seahawks D that got away with muggings for years when they all did it up there. 1 hour ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: Wrong kind of corner for New England Why? All they need is a decent corner to give them 4 good games a year like Gilmore did. 1
whatdrought Posted March 7, 2018 Posted March 7, 2018 5 minutes ago, Commonsense said: Up in the air on Solder returning, local media saying the Pats have had talks with the Skins and Bears about Cooks. Looking for a 2nd. Surprised to see them want to move Cooks... Wonder why that didn't work out.
CommonCents Posted March 7, 2018 Posted March 7, 2018 2 minutes ago, whatdrought said: Surprised to see them want to move Cooks... Wonder why that didn't work out. Probably looking for some flexibility. Gronk is still holding their feet to the fire, Solder is a guy they have to pay for one last run with Brady. They are in a tough spot. The majority of the reporters think this is Belichick's last year so it will be interesting how they approach the now vs. their future.
thebandit27 Posted March 7, 2018 Posted March 7, 2018 3 minutes ago, cba fan said: All they need is a decent corner to give them 4 good games a year like Gilmore did. I realize that most of this board hates Gilmore for going to the Pats (which is fine, screw him), but the above is simply wrong. https://nesn.com/2018/02/now-we-know-why-patriots-valued-stephon-gilmore-over-malcolm-butler/ https://patriotswire.usatoday.com/2018/02/19/pff-patriots-able-to-get-more-out-of-stephon-gilmore-than-bills/ 1
YoloinOhio Posted March 7, 2018 Posted March 7, 2018 22 minutes ago, Commonsense said: Up in the air on Solder returning, local media saying the Pats have had talks with the Skins and Bears about Cooks. Looking for a 2nd. Lol - the guy they just gave up a 1st rd pick for?
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted March 7, 2018 Posted March 7, 2018 18 minutes ago, cba fan said: He may never be the same coming off Achilles injury. With that injury likely slowing him down he would become a crazed man on the field as he can not keep up anymore. He also would then lead the league in PI/holding if he played in Buffalo as Bills do not get preferential treatment from officials on those calls like Seahawks have received for years. AFC East refs are conditioned to call it for Pats year in and year out. Not like Seahawks D that got away with muggings for years when they all did it up there. Why? All they need is a decent corner to give them 4 good games a year like Gilmore did. They like to spend on corners that are strong press man guys.... revis, talib and now gilly. beilchick mans up on the 2, then brackets the 1 with a corner and safety. Sherman has often been categorized as an instinctive ball hawking cover 3 zone DB, or made hay in that system anyway. Doesn’t really like to move around the field from ‘his side’ I’m not sure he would thrive in New England’s scheme and scheme fit is critical with the sort of money he will command
cba fan Posted March 7, 2018 Posted March 7, 2018 12 minutes ago, thebandit27 said: I realize that most of this board hates Gilmore for going to the Pats (which is fine, screw him), but the above is simply wrong. https://nesn.com/2018/02/now-we-know-why-patriots-valued-stephon-gilmore-over-malcolm-butler/ https://patriotswire.usatoday.com/2018/02/19/pff-patriots-able-to-get-more-out-of-stephon-gilmore-than-bills/ 4 good games is an exaggeration....... but I will stand by he had more bad games then good games for Pats last year. And of course he played better in NE than he did in Buffalo his last year here. Still not worth 65 mill. Too inconsistent.
CommonCents Posted March 7, 2018 Posted March 7, 2018 3 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Lol - the guy they just gave up a 1st rd pick for? 32nd pick if they got the bears 2nd that would be 40ish? Not sure. They just cut Marty B. there is 6 million. Dwayne Allen 5 million and McClellan 2.5 soon to be cut I would guess. 6 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Lol - the guy they just gave up a 1st rd pick for? We are going to need a thread to keep up with all this action. AB just restructured to free up some money for Pitt.
thebandit27 Posted March 7, 2018 Posted March 7, 2018 (edited) 23 minutes ago, cba fan said: 4 good games is an exaggeration....... but I will stand by he had more bad games then good games for Pats last year. And of course he played better in NE than he did in Buffalo his last year here. Still not worth 65 mill. Too inconsistent. The numbers simply don't support that. https://www.theringer.com/nfl/2017/12/6/16740258/patriots-defense-improvement "Stephon Gilmore’s improvement in that stretch has been a major factor for the defense’s overall jump forward, too. During the team’s first four games, he surrendered nine catches on 13 targets for 151 yards, one touchdown, and one pick for a 101.8 passer rating against (74th). In his five games since (he missed weeks 6-8 with a concussion and ankle injury), he’s given up just 18 catches for 164 yards, one touchdown, and one pick for a 67.7 rating—15th best." That means that after allowing 9 receptions on 13 targets for 151 yards and 1 TD for a 101.8 rating in his first 4 games, Gilmore went on to allow 39 receptions on 69 targets for 459 yards and 2 TDs for a passer rating of 77.2 in his final 9 games, including the playoffs. He was actually really, really good after the first month of the season. Edited March 7, 2018 by thebandit27
billrooter Posted March 7, 2018 Posted March 7, 2018 2 hours ago, LabattBlue said: Let me see if I understand...no one wants to use a 1st round pick to draft a CB because of other needs, but some want to sign a CB coming off an Achilles tear, who is soon to be on the wrong side of 30, and if he hits the open market, will be looking for $$$. And a guy that is a dickhead.
DCOrange Posted March 7, 2018 Posted March 7, 2018 I had heard whispers that the Patriots and Seahawks were talking about a Sherman trade a few weeks ago; curious to see if it turns out to be true. One of the deals they supposedly discussed was simply swapping Sherman for Gronk but I have a hard time believing that's what will actually happen.
RyanC883 Posted March 7, 2018 Posted March 7, 2018 2 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: Raiders need a CB desperately He'd be the perfect Raiders CB. Wonder what Gruden has said about him in the past?
Doc Posted March 7, 2018 Posted March 7, 2018 36 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Lol - the guy they just gave up a 1st rd pick for? The Cheaters never make bad deals/trades.
Turk71 Posted March 7, 2018 Posted March 7, 2018 4 minutes ago, DCOrange said: I had heard whispers that the Patriots and Seahawks were talking about a Sherman trade a few weeks ago; curious to see if it turns out to be true. One of the deals they supposedly discussed was simply swapping Sherman for Gronk but I have a hard time believing that's what will actually happen. I think Gronk becomes a clown in the WWE before that happens.
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