Boatdrinks Posted March 24, 2018 Posted March 24, 2018 21 hours ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Of course he would. Then his favored NY teams could end up with Darnold and Rosen.
K D Posted March 24, 2018 Posted March 24, 2018 15 hours ago, BigBuff423 said: I haven’t watched this clip, but I like Falk as a 2nd - 3rd Round QB. Falk looks like Tom Brady when he throws. I think he's terrible but most people also thought Brady would be terrible. If NE drafts him he might end up being pretty decent. If we draft him he will be out of the league in 2 yrs because he needs soooo much work at this point
mannc Posted March 24, 2018 Posted March 24, 2018 23 hours ago, jrober38 said: Cam Newton had zero supporting cast at Auburn, but because he was a transcendent talent, he still found a way to dominate. This is a joke, right? That Auburn team was loaded, especially on defense. 16 hours ago, jrober38 said: I just reread some reviews of Christian Hackenburg's pro day. Man oh man are they a lot like the ones being published today about Allen. Improved footwork Improved accuracy Huge arm strength Helped his draft stock Then he got to the NFL and was a colossal bust because despite looking good in shorts his accuracy never actually got better on an NFL field against defenders. I must have missed the games Hackenberg has played vs NFL defenders. Who did he play against?
jrober38 Posted March 24, 2018 Posted March 24, 2018 5 hours ago, mannc said: This is a joke, right? That Auburn team was loaded, especially on defense. What's your definition of "loaded?" DE - Nosa Uguae DT - Nick Fairley DT - Zach Clayton DE - Antoine Carter LB - Craig Stevens LB - Daren Bates LB - Josh Bynes CB - Demond Washington CB - Niko Thorp FS - Zac Etheridge SS - Airon Savage The only real NFL player there is Fairley. Bynes bouced around as a backup. No one else who played significant snaps in 2010 sniffed the pros. Cam Newton carried that team on his back.
mannc Posted March 24, 2018 Posted March 24, 2018 1 minute ago, jrober38 said: What's your definition of "loaded?" DE - Nosa Uguae DT - Nick Fairley DT - Zach Clayton DE - Antoine Carter LB - Craig Stevens LB - Daren Bates LB - Josh Bynes CB - Demond Washington CB - Niko Thorp FS - Zac Etheridge SS - Airon Savage The only real NFL player there is Fairley. Bynes bouced around as a backup. No one else who played significant snaps in 2010 sniffed the pros. Cam Newton carried that team on his back. Newton had an absolutely incredible year, but that team was hardly devoid of talent. I’ve never heard anyone argue otherwise.
jrober38 Posted March 24, 2018 Posted March 24, 2018 (edited) 3 minutes ago, mannc said: Newton had an absolutely incredible year, but that team was hardly devoid of talent. I’ve never heard anyone argue otherwise. First they were "loaded." They clearly weren't. Without Newton they're a .500 team and fighting to be Bowl Eligible. Newton carried that team. Josh Allen was just a guy in the Mountain West against garbage competition. Edited March 24, 2018 by jrober38
Seventeen Posted March 25, 2018 Posted March 25, 2018 11 minutes ago, jrober38 said: First they were "loaded." They clearly weren't. Without Newton they're a .500 team and fighting to be Bowl Eligible. Newton carried that team. Josh Allen was just a guy on a garbage team in the Mountain West against garbage competition. FIFY
mannc Posted March 25, 2018 Posted March 25, 2018 10 minutes ago, jrober38 said: First they were "loaded." They clearly weren't. Without Newton they're a .500 team and fighting to be Bowl Eligible. Newton carried that team. Josh Allen was just a guy in the Mountain West against garbage competition. When did I ever compare Allen to Newton? Newton’s 2010 season was one of the 2 or 3 best in the history of college football and he was the shoe-in first overall pick. Allen is much more of an unknown quantity.
jrober38 Posted March 25, 2018 Posted March 25, 2018 12 hours ago, mannc said: When did I ever compare Allen to Newton? Newton’s 2010 season was one of the 2 or 3 best in the history of college football and he was the shoe-in first overall pick. Allen is much more of an unknown quantity. I heard Mike Mayock and the rest of NFL Network's panel compare him to Newton a couple times during his pro day. I think all of the positive Allen comparisons are a reach at best. Nothing on tape suggests he's very good at football.
mannc Posted March 25, 2018 Posted March 25, 2018 Just now, jrober38 said: I heard Mike Mayock and the rest of NFL Network's panel compare him to Newton a couple times during his pro day. I think all of the positive Allen comparisons are a reach at best. Nothing on tape suggests he's very good at football. He’s definitely a gamble and a project. But some team will want to take that chance on a huge upside. I think he drops a bit but still goes top 10.
thebandit27 Posted March 25, 2018 Posted March 25, 2018 29 minutes ago, jrober38 said: Nothing on tape suggests he's very good at football. Except for all of the exceptional plays he's made that nobody else seems to be able to make Meaning no offense: you seem to have this tendency to ignore anything that runs counter to your established position on Allen and state absolutes about him, which is really weird. For example, he's put a great number of outstanding throws on tape that show just how good he can be, but you go on to state that "nothing" shows him to be a good football player. That's hyperbole at best. I also see that you continue to state that QBs don't improve their accuracy in the NFL, which is patently false--and you've been given many examples including Stafford, Matt Ryan, Josh McCown, Carson Palmer Drew Brees, etc. You've got your opinions about the kid and that's fine. Justifiable even. Let's all have a bit of intellectual honesty and acknowledge that it's hardly a position that is supported by all of the relevant data. 33 minutes ago, mannc said: He’s definitely a gamble and a project. But some team will want to take that chance on a huge upside. I think he drops a bit but still goes top 10. He'll likely be one of the first 2 QBs off the board--probably top-3
Bangarang Posted March 25, 2018 Posted March 25, 2018 2 hours ago, thebandit27 said: Except for all of the exceptional plays he's made that nobody else seems to be able to make Meaning no offense: you seem to have this tendency to ignore anything that runs counter to your established position on Allen and state absolutes about him, which is really weird. For example, he's put a great number of outstanding throws on tape that show just how good he can be, but you go on to state that "nothing" shows him to be a good football player. That's hyperbole at best. I also see that you continue to state that QBs don't improve their accuracy in the NFL, which is patently false--and you've been given many examples including Stafford, Matt Ryan, Josh McCown, Carson Palmer Drew Brees, etc. You've got your opinions about the kid and that's fine. Justifiable even. Let's all have a bit of intellectual honesty and acknowledge that it's hardly a position that is supported by all of the relevant data. He'll likely be one of the first 2 QBs off the board--probably top-3 Did you really just sneak Josh McCown’s name in with Stanford, Brees, Ryan and Palmer? ?
thebandit27 Posted March 25, 2018 Posted March 25, 2018 9 minutes ago, Bangarang said: Did you really just sneak Josh McCown’s name in with Stanford, Brees, Ryan and Palmer? ? Did you read the post and understand the point? A 51% passer in college, McCown completed 67% of his passes last season
NewEraBills Posted March 25, 2018 Posted March 25, 2018 23 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Being a Vandy alum, I've watch Herndon the last few years in person. He has been a mixed bag. Some games he's been great, others he well, not horrible but mehh. I wouldn't mind him on the Bills at all. HE's played a lot of football the last few years, has long arms and could excel in a scheme like ours.
26CornerBlitz Posted March 25, 2018 Author Posted March 25, 2018 Just now, NewEraBills said: Being a Vandy alum, I've watch Herndon the last few years in person. He has been a mixed bag. Some games he's been great, others he well, not horrible but mehh. I wouldn't mind him on the Bills at all. HE's played a lot of football the last few years, has long arms and could excel in a scheme like ours. Thanks for the insight.
Cripple Creek Posted March 25, 2018 Posted March 25, 2018 3 hours ago, jrober38 said: I heard Mike Mayock and the rest of NFL Network's panel compare him to Newton a couple times during his pro day. I think all of the positive Allen comparisons are a reach at best. Nothing on tape suggests he's very good at football. So because someone mentions one person in comparison to another and you think that means they're saying they are the same player? The positive comparisons don't work for you, but, I'll bet any negative comparisons are spot in in your mind. There's one truth to all this draft BS. It's a crap shoot. Teams have different opinions, some right some wrong. I always find it interesting when jags profess to know more and offer their opinions as facts.
NewEraBills Posted March 25, 2018 Posted March 25, 2018 2 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Thanks for the insight. The thing to like about Herndon is his size. A little over 6'0 and he does have decent speed. The guy that is going to really be a good one though is JoeJuan Williams. Mason has recruited a lot of corners with size and long arms. Herndon was a Franklin recruit I believe, but since then most of the corners that Mason recruited have been at least 6'0 plus. Williams is 6'3 and unless someone just runs past him, it's tough to complete a pass on him because of his wing span. I'd take Herndon in round 3 or 4. Would be a very solid pick for us even with some of his flaws. I'd say based on my eye, his biggest issue wasn't sticking with WRs. His biggest issue was getting his head turned to defend the football at times. He has not been a big interception guy.
26CornerBlitz Posted March 25, 2018 Author Posted March 25, 2018 1 minute ago, NewEraBills said: The thing to like about Herndon is his size. A little over 6'0 and he does have decent speed. The guy that is going to really be a good one though is JoeJuan Williams. Mason has recruited a lot of corners with size and long arms. Herndon was a Franklin recruit I believe, but since then most of the corners that Mason recruited have been at least 6'0 plus. Williams is 6'3 and unless someone just runs past him, it's tough to complete a pass on him because of his wing span. I'd take Herndon in round 3 or 4. Would be a very solid pick for us even with some of his flaws. I'd say based on my eye, his biggest issue wasn't sticking with WRs. His biggest issue was getting his head turned to defend the football at times. He has not been a big interception guy. Thanks again.
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