Magox Posted March 7, 2018 Posted March 7, 2018 So if there is a criticism of Jackson or comparing him to TT runs the risk of being labeled as lazy or racist? Sounds risky and unfair. Personally I think Lamar is way ahead where TT was at this point of his career. Which makes him an intriguing prospect due to his arm strength and athleticism, but I do believe the comparison of not being a top end anticipation thrower is valid. This is an area that he doesn't execute as well as some of the other prospects and I believe is completely valid to question. Having said that, if the Bills have not traded up for either Rosen or Mayfield and Jackson is available at 21 then I think Jackson or for that matter Rudolph are available you have to seriously consider them. I like both of their potential.
H2o Posted March 7, 2018 Posted March 7, 2018 3 hours ago, DJB said: Check out Daniel Jeremiah 2nd mock post combine. 21. Rashad Evans 22. Lamar Jackson - " I wouldn't be surprised if the Bills packaged some picks to move up for one of the other quarterbacks, but if they sit still I could see them building an offence around Jackson skill set. Jeremiah is extremely connected. He's right down on the floor rubbing shoulders with our very own Bills management and scouts. Obviously many of us are hoping this happens but to hear from someone actually in the know is very positive . (Sorry I don't know how to embed stuff and make it look all nice and clean, if someone could do that it would be great ! ) ...... 1
Chicken Boo Posted March 7, 2018 Posted March 7, 2018 (edited) 55 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ...just a quick question (and not a smart azz one) about your assessment of Jackson versus TT......I've asked if Jackson is perhaps an "upscale TT" with more potential in areas where TT falls short (ain't rehashing 67,381 posts).....is he an upscale that could be trained to adapt to the pocket first versus one read and run mentality?...is that where you assess him to struggle mightily at the NFL level?.............. My belief is that almost any QB can be successful. A lot depends on the coaching staff to put said QB in the right system while developing him along the way. Andy Reid is the best in the business at this, in my opinion. McNabb, AJ Feely, Kolb, Vick, Foles, Alex Smith...he just plain gets the best out of his QBs. I'd trust Jackson with him and only him. Other than that scenario, I'll believe Lamar can hack it when I see it. Edited March 7, 2018 by Chicken Boo
stinky finger Posted March 7, 2018 Posted March 7, 2018 2 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said: If you think that he plays anything like Tim Tebow you’ve probably never seen him play. Jackson has an elite arm (that it is inconsistent). Tebow throws like a blind guy with no arms. I don't laugh out loud at much here.........but this.......
H2o Posted March 7, 2018 Posted March 7, 2018 Wait till it comes out Lamar got a 6 on his Wonderlic. Let the VY comparisons fly!!!
SmokinES3 Posted March 7, 2018 Posted March 7, 2018 (edited) I've been watching everything I can on the guy.. Fantastic arm strength and athleticism. He throws a duck that makes you scratch your head and say WTF almost every game it seems. He throttled down to about 60% power at the combine and still couldn't feign any semblance of accuracy. Do people really think the receiver talk came from nowhere? He reminds me a lot of Vick. If the FO likes him I'd love to be wrong. Edited March 7, 2018 by SmokinES3
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted March 7, 2018 Posted March 7, 2018 16 minutes ago, Chicken Boo said: My belief is that almost any QB can be successful. A lot depends on the coaching staff to put said QB in the right system while developing him along the way. Andy Reid is the best in the business at this, in my opinion. McNabb, AJFeely, Kolb, Vick, Foles, Ales Smith...he just plain gets the best out of his QBs. I'd trust Jackson with him and only him. Other than that scenario, I'll believe Lamar can hack it when I see it. ...thanks for your assessment and point of view....much appreciated bud... 1
Joaquin1119 Posted March 7, 2018 Posted March 7, 2018 Mayfield is my first choice too. But if we end up drafting Lamar Jackson I also be ok with it. BUT if TT is the starter I don’t want LJ learning from TT at all. So if LJ end up being a buffalo bills. Hopefully that kid end up being a star. Hell any QB we draft ends up being a star. I just want a QB
Green Lightning Posted March 7, 2018 Posted March 7, 2018 The thing that bothers me about Lamarr is his lack of accuracy. I have heard it time and time again that footwork and accuracy can be coached up but it never seems to happen. Then I hear revisionist stats such as - if nobody dropped a pass on him he'd be 10 pct pts higher in his completion rate. For once why not draft a QB that is accurate from the get-go and can throw comfortably from the pocket. I am tired of bouncing passes off the turf, missed slants and passes that need receivers with 8 foot wingspans to have a chance at the reception.. 2
ThunderGun Posted March 7, 2018 Posted March 7, 2018 3 hours ago, joesixpack said: Any time I hear the word "dynamic" associated with a QB, it leads me to believe they'll never work long-term in the NFL. See: Kaepernick, Colin and Taylor, Tyrod. Tyrod Taylor is a former 6th round pick, going into his 8th year in the league, coming off 3 consecutive years starting... pretty sure he's worked out long term, and out performed his draft status. Wentz, Prescott, Wilson, Watson, Mariota, Newton (not big on, but went to a SB), are all pretty "dynamic"... 1
YattaOkasan Posted March 7, 2018 Posted March 7, 2018 22 minutes ago, ThunderGun said: Tyrod Taylor is a former 6th round pick, going into his 8th year in the league, coming off 3 consecutive years starting... pretty sure he's worked out long term, and out performed his draft status. Wentz, Prescott, Wilson, Watson, Mariota, Newton (not big on, but went to a SB), are all pretty "dynamic"... You could argue Kap was successful considering he lead a super bowl appearance.
BobbyC81 Posted March 7, 2018 Posted March 7, 2018 (edited) 48 minutes ago, YattaOkasan said: You could argue Kap was successful considering he lead a super bowl appearance. Kap was pretty awesome at times in his first 2.5 seasons as a starter, both running and throwing. Then Harbaugh left the Niners, Jim Thomsula took over in, Kap struggled and was benched. Kelly took over the next season and named Gabbert the starter but Kap seemed to rebound when he started vs the Bills in week 6 and finished the year strong but the team stunk. Edited March 7, 2018 by LittleJoeCartwright
Domdab99 Posted March 7, 2018 Posted March 7, 2018 4 hours ago, the skycap said: For what it's worth, Rosen threw for 10 less TDs and 1 less INT than Lamar Jackson in his collegiate career The word you're looking for is "fewer." 1
Bag of Milk Posted March 7, 2018 Posted March 7, 2018 2 hours ago, H2o said: Wait till it comes out Lamar got a 6 on his Wonderlic. Let the VY comparisons fly!!! lol Just remember, Jim Kelly had a score of 15 on the Wonderlic. So if it's low we can also compare him to Jimbo.
LABILLBACKER Posted March 7, 2018 Posted March 7, 2018 6 hours ago, Johnny Hammersticks said: Seriously. The “Lamar Jackson is Tyrod 2.0” argument is just dumb. Lazy, ignorant assessment, IMO. Lamar will be better than Tyrod in more ways than just athleticism. If we can save a ton of picks and still draft a QB with a ceiling somewhere between Bridgewater and Watson, I'd be very happy with that. Allen smells of bust. Rosen and Darnold will be gone. Mayfield is still 6-0. Lamar should be the target!
transplantbillsfan Posted March 7, 2018 Posted March 7, 2018 I think if we draft Jackson there's going to be a faction of this board up in arms about how Jackson is just Taylor 2.0 and McBeane failed before even seeing him play. Gonna be hilarious if he's who we draft... and I think he's our most likely pick And FTR, I want Mayfield then Darnold then Jackson then Rosen then Rudolph then Allen... in that order.
#34fan Posted March 7, 2018 Posted March 7, 2018 I hate Jeremiah's mock.. Phish take Lamar Jackson if he's still on the board... Cowboys will take Ridley if he's still on the board... Provided those hold up then Da'ron Payne will be available... The Bills won't pass that up... Rashaan Evans would be great at 22, (if you're not too scared of a potential groin issue) If not, I could see them trading down for more picks...
GunnerBill Posted March 7, 2018 Posted March 7, 2018 9 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said: They are black and run all of the time. Same guy... Also, they can’t read defenses or process information. Jackson is a combination of Tyrod, Vick, Watson, Leftwich, Doug Williams, Jameis, David Garrard and 1/2 of Russell Wilson (the half that runs all of the time). You forgot Bridgewater, who might be the most classic 'pro style' pocket Quarterback to come out of the draft in 5 or 6 years and yet is constantly referred to as "athletic" by which people mean "black". 1
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted March 7, 2018 Posted March 7, 2018 6 hours ago, ThunderGun said: Tyrod Taylor is a former 6th round pick, going into his 8th year in the league, coming off 3 consecutive years starting... pretty sure he's worked out long term, and out performed his draft status. Wentz, Prescott, Wilson, Watson, Mariota, Newton (not big on, but went to a SB), are all pretty "dynamic"... One of those guys won a super bowl. One. And the only reason TT started three years is he played HERE. No competent franchise would have let that happen. 4 hours ago, Domdab99 said: The word you're looking for is "fewer." English: hard since 1066 1 1
GunnerBill Posted March 7, 2018 Posted March 7, 2018 4 hours ago, Domdab99 said: The word you're looking for is "fewer." Yea that "less" instead of "fewer" thing bugs the hell out of me. Just say it to yourself and it even sounds wrong. 8 hours ago, thenorthremembers said: Rosen also had way too many balls batted at the line for a 6'4 qb I'm high on Rosen - he is my QB#1 - but you are absolutely right on this point. That is on my scouting report. 2
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