707BillsFan Posted March 7, 2018 Posted March 7, 2018 Just now, jrober38 said: Jim Kelly played in college 35 years ago. Assuming we don't know is ignorance. The history of QBs with accuracy problems who failed in the NFL is extremely long over the past 20 years. It's not a flaw that modern day QBs overcome. I looked up one QB and that QB had a 55% completion %. Enough for me. I will go on record as saying, Allen will have a better NFL career than JaMarcus Russell...the person he was compared to in this tread.
jrober38 Posted March 7, 2018 Posted March 7, 2018 Just now, 707BillsFan said: I looked up one QB and that QB had a 55% completion %. Enough for me. I will go on record as saying, Allen will have a better NFL career than JaMarcus Russell...the person he was compared to in this tread. Way to go out on a limb.
707BillsFan Posted March 7, 2018 Posted March 7, 2018 (edited) 8 minutes ago, jrober38 said: Way to go out on a limb. That's why I responded earlier. He was compared to Russell. Like I said, how do we know how these kids will pan out. It's asinine to assume such a thing...or even say such a thing. Matt Ryan was like 59% completion, the next one I looked up. Russell Wilson was a 50% passer until he transferred. Edited March 7, 2018 by 707BillsFan
jrober38 Posted March 7, 2018 Posted March 7, 2018 13 minutes ago, 707BillsFan said: That's why I responded earlier. He was compared to Russell. Like I said, how do we know how these kids will pan out. It's asinine to assume such a thing...or even say such a thing. Matt Ryan was like 59% completion, the next one I looked up. Russell Wilson was a 50% passer until he transferred. For the one millionth time, completion percentage has nothing to do with accuracy. Accuracy is the ability to throw the ball to a spot consistently. All good NFL QBs can do that. Allen, like EJ Manuel, has scattershot accuracy. Sometimes he misses high, sometimes he's low, sometimes he's in front of the target, and sometimes he's behind it. He misses all over the place, just like EJ did. There's no predicting where he'll miss, which makes fixing his accuracy nearly impossible. Guys with that flaw never succeed in the NFL. You can't teach someone the fundamentals of throwing a football once they're in the NFL. 1
transplantbillsfan Posted March 7, 2018 Posted March 7, 2018 38 minutes ago, 707BillsFan said: Not upset at all. I love armchair QB's that think they can predict the future, but sit in their parents basement while updating their indeed resume so they can get that spring time car wash job. Yep... clearly you're upset... or Josh Allen's mommy. 1
Putin Posted March 7, 2018 Posted March 7, 2018 7 hours ago, RyanC883 said: We can get any QB. Who would your pick be?? Baker Mayfield 1
billspro Posted March 7, 2018 Posted March 7, 2018 Darnold is my number 1 so I would hope for him. Rosen has durability concerns which is the main reason I have him at number 2.
SouthNYfan Posted March 7, 2018 Posted March 7, 2018 7 hours ago, HiddenInLight said: By "Dealing with Newton" I meant tailoring an offence around a mobile guy. By dealing with Taylor I meant dealing with a guy that doesn't have that prototypical NFL size (and also likes to scramble). Both are the types that you need to tailor your offense around their needs. A smaller guy may need to roll out of the pocket or take more snaps out of shotgun. I'm not saying that he can't succeed, I'm just saying that it is a much harder task for a guy of his size. Because "tailoring" an offense to a short QB has been so terrible for New Orleans and Seattle, right? 1 hour ago, transplantbillsfan said: Yep... clearly you're upset... or Josh Allen's mommy. I bet Allen's mom can air it out 70 yards on the fly from her rocking chair
SouthNYfan Posted March 7, 2018 Posted March 7, 2018 2 hours ago, jrober38 said: For the one millionth time, completion percentage has nothing to do with accuracy. Accuracy is the ability to throw the ball to a spot consistently. All good NFL QBs can do that. Allen, like EJ Manuel, has scattershot accuracy. Sometimes he misses high, sometimes he's low, sometimes he's in front of the target, and sometimes he's behind it. He misses all over the place, just like EJ did. There's no predicting where he'll miss, which makes fixing his accuracy nearly impossible. Guys with that flaw never succeed in the NFL. You can't teach someone the fundamentals of throwing a football once they're in the NFL. I don't know enough about Allen to agree that he's scattered all over, but I will say that I do agree with you about the scattered accuracy being very tough to fix, as it's hard to pin down a single flaw to work on. This is true of MLB pitchers and NBA players as well. For anybody familiar with the NBA, Dwight Howard was a good example. Compete physical freak of nature with very little natural basketball talent. His post moves/shots and free throws would miss all over the place, his mechanics had so many flaws, and you could tell the more you watched and the more he played, that he was nothing but a freak physical specimen who was convinced to play b-ball because of his athleticism, not because he was any good at it. Ultimately, when he hurt his back, and that sapped him of his massive athletic advantage, he became nothing more than an average at best, unreliable player. That's my fear with Allen, Jackson too. The upside is both seem to have great heads on their shoulders, and both seem to be very happy in the film room, dedicated to working at improving. That's a very good thing. I'm just not sure it'll be enough, they're both a big risk.
Green Lightning Posted March 7, 2018 Posted March 7, 2018 9 hours ago, jrober38 said: I like Mayfield. He's the most accurate passer in the draft and accuracy trumps everything else when it comes to QBs. Same here. Accuracy plus a burning will to win.
Buffalo Barbarian Posted March 7, 2018 Posted March 7, 2018 Mayfield or bust, great skill set, great determination, great QB.
GunnerBill Posted March 7, 2018 Posted March 7, 2018 Josh Rosen. It's still not that close to me even after he had a shaky combine throwing session. Option 1 - Rosen in a big trade up; Option 1A - Darnold in a big trade up but think he goes #1; Option 2 - Mayfield in a smaller trade up; Option 3 - Rudolph if they stand pat at 21; Option 4 - Jackson if they stand pat at 21;
smuvtalker Posted March 7, 2018 Posted March 7, 2018 14 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said: I get what you are saying, and a fair point about the pocket he was working from. However, I think "batted passes at the LOS" is one of the most over exaggerated phrases in all of football. One, its not something that happens a lot and Baker is not so short that he will suffer them on a regular basis. If Baker was like 5'9" then this has more merit. If Baker is a good QB, then it wont matter if he leads the league in batted down passes...you are talking about a handful of throws out of hundreds of pass attempts in a season. If he is good when its not batted down, then it wont matter if he leads the league in batted down passes at the LOS. Also, if Baker is 2 inches taller, it really doesn't change the likely hood of a batted pass at the LOS. Most passes are thrown, even by the bigger QB's through an area that any of the DL can easily reach to bat away. Batted passes come from awareness more than size at the NFL level. EJ was huge and got a lot of passes batted down. Watch any tape on any QB, and there passes zip past out reached arms, not ABOVE them unless its a high arc deeper pass. The biggest challenge to a shorter QB is about seeing the field and vision behind the bigger bodies way more so than worrying about a defended at the LOS knocking it down. But you can account for that with deeper drops, rolling them out, etc if need be, and just watch film on Brees and see how they make up for that. So this is why I am not concerned about Baker...if he is a truly good QB, his height will not be hinderance. As always Alpha, well-stated and excellent points regarding % of batted down balls vs hundreds of throws, and about passes zipping PAST DL arms and not above them. The closer we get to the draft, I honestly feel the only two QBs worth trading up to get are Mayfield and Rosen, and staying put at 21 I have fully warmed to the idea of Jackson. This is shaping up to be the most exciting draft in easily 30+ years.... 1
dollars 2 donuts Posted March 7, 2018 Posted March 7, 2018 15 hours ago, Paulus said: Darnold is by far the best, but it ain't happening (#1 overall). Feasibly the best QB is Mayfield, IMHO. Full discloure, I picked Mayfield, but also like Rosen. That said, man, if Barkley goes number 1 and the Giants say they are set with Eli the opportunity for a boat load of picks will be hard for the G Men to pass up because teams will most likely want that shot at Darnold (due to the fact that he checks many boxes and there don't appear to be any "issues").
GunnerBill Posted March 7, 2018 Posted March 7, 2018 15 hours ago, BigBuff423 said: You could be right, but I would be VERY surprised if Rudolph lasts past the 2nd round. To me, he's a perfect fit for NE to develop behind Brady. I hate to say it, but he's a Brady in waiting for a team like NE. I could see New England - but I don't think that would be round 1, he would have to be there for them in round 2 for that to happen. Brady had Jimmy G run out of town because he didn't want a successor over his shoulder. His mate Bob won't allow them to just replace that with a Quarterback drafted in round 1. I think Pittsburgh however is a really good fit. Like New England their offense has a lot of spread concepts in it that Mason Rudolph will find very familiar and very comfortable. Big Ben talks retirement every year and it is not as if the Steelers roster has gaping holes at other spots that they simply can't ignore. I think they can afford the luxury pick of a QB. One that fits their system and can sit behind Big Ben. I mocked him there in my mock v1.0 the other week and I have seen two credible mockers follow suit since. I'll keep an eye on whether Pittsburgh has him in for a visit. 1
ghostwriter Posted March 7, 2018 Posted March 7, 2018 I pick Sam Darnold, he needs a year on the bench though. I think he is the safest QB in the draft, reminds me a lot of Tony Romo. Josh Allen could be the best QB in the draft, but he is way too risky to trade up for so I choose Sam Darnold.
BuffaloHokie13 Posted March 7, 2018 Posted March 7, 2018 2 hours ago, GunnerBill said: I could see New England - but I don't think that would be round 1, he would have to be there for them in round 2 for that to happen. Brady had Jimmy G run out of town because he didn't want a successor over his shoulder. His mate Bob won't allow them to just replace that with a Quarterback drafted in round 1. I think Pittsburgh however is a really good fit. Like New England their offense has a lot of spread concepts in it that Mason Rudolph will find very familiar and very comfortable. Big Ben talks retirement every year and it is not as if the Steelers roster has gaping holes at other spots that they simply can't ignore. I think they can afford the luxury pick of a QB. One that fits their system and can sit behind Big Ben. I mocked him there in my mock v1.0 the other week and I have seen two credible mockers follow suit since. I'll keep an eye on whether Pittsburgh has him in for a visit. If I had to identify a floor for Rudolph in the draft it would be pick 48 by the Los Angeles Chargers. I don't see him making it past that pick, but I could see him going earlier. I don't see him going before pick 21 either. That's his range for me. Somewhere between picks 21 and 48.
CommonCents Posted March 7, 2018 Posted March 7, 2018 18 hours ago, Paulus said: Darnold is by far the best, but it ain't happening (#1 overall). Feasibly the best QB is Mayfield, IMHO. I think Darnold goes #1 but I don't see him as the best of the bunch. I'd go Rosen, Mayfield, Darnold, Jackson, Allen. Im leaning towards Mayfield for the Bills, it just makes sense.
Paulus Posted March 7, 2018 Posted March 7, 2018 2 hours ago, Commonsense said: I think Darnold goes #1 but I don't see him as the best of the bunch. I'd go Rosen, Mayfield, Darnold, Jackson, Allen. Im leaning towards Mayfield for the Bills, it just makes sense. I see him as the best QB, by far... I guess, we just have to wait to see who is right.
707BillsFan Posted March 7, 2018 Posted March 7, 2018 (edited) 15 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said: Yep... clearly you're upset... or Josh Allen's mommy. So tell me how someone like Baker Mayfield will be the Bills savior? I personally want Rosen, but don't understand the hatred toward someone we have no idea how he'll pan out. Also, I'm doing a study...does your parents basement have black mold? Edited March 7, 2018 by 707BillsFan
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