jrober38 Posted March 6, 2018 Posted March 6, 2018 Why would the evaluation of a QB change after the combine? 1 1
BigBuff423 Posted March 6, 2018 Posted March 6, 2018 One name not up there that should be if you're going to include Jackson is Rudolph. If we stay at 21, Rudolph is the guy....if we move up, then it should be one of the top three: Rosen, Darnold, Allen. JMO 1
RyanC883 Posted March 6, 2018 Author Posted March 6, 2018 (edited) Just now, BigBuff423 said: One name not up there that should be if you're going to include Jackson is Rudolph. If we stay at 21, Rudolph is the guy....if we move up, then it should be one of the top three: Rosen, Darnold, Allen. JMO Good point. I'll add him. ....wait, does not look like I can. Good catch though. 2 minutes ago, jrober38 said: Why would the evaluation of a QB change after the combine? JUST VOTE Edited March 6, 2018 by RyanC883 1 2
jrober38 Posted March 6, 2018 Posted March 6, 2018 1 minute ago, RyanC883 said: Good point. I'll add him. ....wait, does not look like I can. Good catch though. JUST VOTE I like Mayfield. He's the most accurate passer in the draft and accuracy trumps everything else when it comes to QBs. 7
buffaloboyinATL Posted March 6, 2018 Posted March 6, 2018 Get Allen in the first and Chark in the second. They will combine for 20 TD’s per year. ?
transplantbillsfan Posted March 6, 2018 Posted March 6, 2018 Everyone voting Allen. Why? Legit question. And if you're argument is arm strength and measurables alone... may I refer you to former top overall pick for the Oakland Raiders Jamarcuss Russell?
K-9 Posted March 6, 2018 Posted March 6, 2018 13 minutes ago, jrober38 said: I like Mayfield. He's the most accurate passer in the draft and accuracy trumps everything else when it comes to QBs. In terms of completion percentage, yes; in terms of ball placement, it’s Rosen hands down.
BuffaloHokie13 Posted March 6, 2018 Posted March 6, 2018 If we're moving up it's Rosen, if we're staying put at 21 it's Rudolph, and if we're kicking the can down the curb it's Ferguson with pick 96. jmo 1
jrober38 Posted March 6, 2018 Posted March 6, 2018 1 minute ago, BuffaloHokie13 said: If we're moving up it's Rosen, if we're staying put at 21 it's Rudolph, and if we're kicking the can down the curb it's Ferguson with pick 96. jmo Rudolph will be there in round 3. Ferguson in round 5.
drf1835 Posted March 6, 2018 Posted March 6, 2018 This is just an educated guess based on some of Beans comments not long ago, and other facts. I think he may prefer Mayfield as he suggested he wanted a confident, personable, and smart leader in many ways, one that can admit mistakes though too, and not want just a qb that has the best talent or much talent. Mayfield admitted in an interview he is not afraid to point the finger at himself A guy that can move or that would fit Dabolls scheme too, seems to make sense.. I think Mayfield is their guy. They may want an accurate and talented emotional motivator, one who can run, and not worry about one being injury prone, with too quiet or rigid personality, or with accuracy issues. Just my opinion and two cents.
Alphadawg7 Posted March 6, 2018 Posted March 6, 2018 (edited) Im glad to see the board has come around in the majority to what I have been saying since early in the CFB season...go get BAKER MAYFIELD. I will say Allen was impressive at his combine, but combine heroes don't impress me more than their tape does when there are helmets flying at them instead of dudes in shorts and t-shirts. But I will give him credit where credit is due, he certainly helped himself a lot I think. I really think Baker will be the best QB in this draft when all is said and done. The NFL QB he gets most often compared to is Drew Brees, but to me thats a lazy comparison (not that its a bad one or anything, great to be compared to Drew) simply because of the height similarities. As a player on the field, he reminds me most of Steve Young. Im not talking about his trash talking bravado (that reminds me more of Kobe with how is a killer on the field), but his play style. This is a guy who can beat you in the pocket and outside the pocket. People forget the wheels that Young used to have, he was a pocket QB first but if need be can make you pay on the ground. I am not worried about his attitude, in fact, I think this team needs someone with his kind of fire to feed off of. I am also not worried about his height as he is taller than both Wilson and Brees, and barely over an inch shorter than Aaron Rogers, so he is right there with 3 of the best QB's in the NFL height wise. Edited March 6, 2018 by Alphadawg7 5
BigBuff423 Posted March 6, 2018 Posted March 6, 2018 1 minute ago, transplantbillsfan said: Everyone voting Allen. Why? Legit question. And if you're argument is arm strength and measurables alone... may I refer you to former top overall pick for the Oakland Raiders Jamarcuss Russell? To me, Allen's comparison to Russell is as ill advised as Mayfield's is to Russell Wilson. JMO but, Allen has a different feel to him for me than Russell or one of the other big armed, inaccurate QBs because - and I'm probably wrong - I think his accuracy issues were far more a reflection of his situation on the team as a whole than many others in the past. For one Russell had a near 68% completion rate at LSU in 2006 and some of his receivers were: Dwayne Bowe, Early Doucet, and Brandon Lafell, while Allen had virtually nobody and an Offensive line that was basically the human version of Swiss cheese. Allen may be doomed as an NFL QB, but the more I've watched of him and the more I've read about him, the more I think he's the exception to the rule and with the right supporting cast, coaching, and a marginally decent Offensive line, he can be really, really good. I agree he needs development, but he is also that franchise QB in all the right ways waiting to be revealed.
HiddenInLight Posted March 6, 2018 Posted March 6, 2018 1 minute ago, Alphadawg7 said: Im glad to see the board has come around in the majority to what I have been saying since early in the CFB season...go get BAKER MAYFIELD. I will say Allen was impressive at his combine, but combine heroes don't impress me more than their tape does when there are helmets flying at them instead of dudes in shorts and t-shirts. But I will give him credit where credit is due, he certainly helped himself a lot I think. I really think Baker will be the best QB in this draft when all is said and done. The NFL QB he gets most often compared to is Drew Brees, but to me thats a lazy comparison simply because of the height similarities. As a player on the field, he reminds me most of Steve Young. Im not talking about his trash talking bravado (that reminds me more of Kobe with how is a killer on the field), but his play style. This is a guy who can beat you in the pocket and outside the pocket. People forget the wheels that Young used to have, he was a pocket QB first but if need be can make you pay on the ground. I am not worried about his attitude, in fact, I think this team needs someone with his kind of fire to feed off of. I am also not worried about his height as he is taller than both Wilson and Brees, and barely over an inch shorter than Aaron Rogers, so he is right there with 3 of the best QB's in the NFL height wise. Honestly, Allen gives me EJ flashbacks in a really bad way. Mayfield is a very good prospect, but I think Rosen is the guy that will be the better QB long term. Pocket passers tend to stick around longer in the NFL then the more mobile guys like Mayfield. If I'm choosing between Mayfield, Rosen, and Allen, I take Rosen 100% of the time.
BigBuff423 Posted March 6, 2018 Posted March 6, 2018 4 minutes ago, jrober38 said: Rudolph will be there in round 3. Ferguson in round 5. You could be right, but I would be VERY surprised if Rudolph lasts past the 2nd round. To me, he's a perfect fit for NE to develop behind Brady. I hate to say it, but he's a Brady in waiting for a team like NE. 4 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said: Im glad to see the board has come around in the majority to what I have been saying since early in the CFB season...go get BAKER MAYFIELD. I will say Allen was impressive at his combine, but combine heroes don't impress me more than their tape does when there are helmets flying at them instead of dudes in shorts and t-shirts. But I will give him credit where credit is due, he certainly helped himself a lot I think. I really think Baker will be the best QB in this draft when all is said and done. The NFL QB he gets most often compared to is Drew Brees, but to me thats a lazy comparison simply because of the height similarities. As a player on the field, he reminds me most of Steve Young. Im not talking about his trash talking bravado (that reminds me more of Kobe with how is a killer on the field), but his play style. This is a guy who can beat you in the pocket and outside the pocket. People forget the wheels that Young used to have, he was a pocket QB first but if need be can make you pay on the ground. I am not worried about his attitude, in fact, I think this team needs someone with his kind of fire to feed off of. I am also not worried about his height as he is taller than both Wilson and Brees, and barely over an inch shorter than Aaron Rogers, so he is right there with 3 of the best QB's in the NFL height wise. Mayfield routinely had 3 yards of pocket around him when passing, if he didn't bootleg, so the lack of batted down passes is hard to truly measure, and he may be phenomenal, nobody really knows....but if I'm betting, I'm betting he struggles to ever get beyond 15th in the league and if he does, he does it early and then fades. Sort of like an RGIII in terms of early success and then difficulty sustaining it.
jrober38 Posted March 6, 2018 Posted March 6, 2018 Just now, BigBuff423 said: You could be right, but I would be VERY surprised if Rudolph lasts past the 2nd round. To me, he's a perfect fit for NE to develop behind Brady. I hate to say it, but he's a Brady in waiting for a team like NE. No he's not. He's something similar to Landry Jones or Bryce Petty. Both of them went in the 4th round. He doesn't do anything really well, and accordingly his ceiling is quite low. 1
Rocky Landing Posted March 6, 2018 Posted March 6, 2018 30 minutes ago, jrober38 said: Why would the evaluation of a QB change after the combine? Because NFL fans who don't follow college football get to know them better.
BigBuff423 Posted March 6, 2018 Posted March 6, 2018 Just now, jrober38 said: No he's not. He's something similar to Landry Jones or Bryce Petty. Both of them went in the 4th round. He doesn't do anything really well, and accordingly his ceiling is quite low. I respectfully disagree...especially when you say he "doesn't do anything really well"....you and I are oceans apart on that one. Just looking at his deep throws, they're as nice a deep ball as you've seen in all of college last year. His timing is good, he places the ball allowing YAC for his receivers and that's just to name a few. But, time will tell and we could both be wrong somehow....so, we'll just agree to disagree.
Alphadawg7 Posted March 6, 2018 Posted March 6, 2018 2 minutes ago, HiddenInLight said: Honestly, Allen gives me EJ flashbacks in a really bad way. Mayfield is a very good prospect, but I think Rosen is the guy that will be the better QB long term. Pocket passers tend to stick around longer in the NFL then the more mobile guys like Mayfield. If I'm choosing between Mayfield, Rosen, and Allen, I take Rosen 100% of the time. I agree, Allen makes me think of all the other big arm guys whose combine made people forget the game tape...foolishly IMO. I would love Rosen too, but my biggest concern on Rosen is durability. Baker is my top choice, but I would be excited if we drafted any of the top 5 QB's of Rosen, Baker, Darnold, Allen, or Lamar. All intriguing, just some I like more than others. My top 2 choices are: Baker in a trade up. Or stay put and take Lamar at 21 (assuming he makes it to us which he might not).
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