DaBillsFanSince1973 Posted March 6, 2018 Posted March 6, 2018 2 minutes ago, Boyst62 said: Tomlinson, Johnson, forte... The guy I'm thinking of was too long ago. Thomas was his name but can't remember his last name. He had a first name as a last name. Thomas Jones? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Jones_(American_football) 1
CommonCents Posted March 6, 2018 Posted March 6, 2018 4 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Oh snap Spotrac twits! Get that guy on the record for the projected Watkins deal.
noacls Posted March 6, 2018 Posted March 6, 2018 Great, get rid of a fat old running back and replace him with a fat old running back that has ball control issues.
BigBuff423 Posted March 6, 2018 Posted March 6, 2018 (edited) 12 minutes ago, eball said: Sorry, stopped reading. Try again. Why apologize....you stopped reading. No problem. And nope, I'm good...no need to re-try anything as I expressed an opinion. Edited March 6, 2018 by BigBuff423 1
Cash Posted March 6, 2018 Posted March 6, 2018 Meh. You could do worse, so I don't mind this, but I'm not excited. I was a big Chris Ivory fan when he was with the Saints, but he's 30 now and IMO in decline. Yards per carry last 4 years: 3.4, 3.8, 4.3, 4.1. I'll be surprised if he's over 4 for us next year. Pluses: He's a real NFL player who knows how to play RB Not huge money Could serve as a decent goal-line back? (I haven't seen him in that role in a while, so not sure if he's actually good at it or just seems like he would be) Doesn't count against comp pick formula Less pressure to draft a RB in 3rd round or higher, but still have the option to do so if a great prospect is there Minuses: Best days are likely behind him, not clear how much he has left in the tank Money is still way higher than that of a 4th/5th round pick, and there'll be at least 1 of those who's better than Ivory this year All in all, not bad. I'm with others who think that he likely takes most of Tolbert's carries. The question becomes, does that mean Tolbert is gone, or does the team ask him to switch to FB and cut the higher-paid DiMarco? I hope we don't intend to carry Tolbert as basically a mascot. I'm sure he's great for the locker room/culture and all that, but he makes too much money not to contribute on the field. I'm okay with him as FB if that's the route they go.
Like A Mofo Posted March 6, 2018 Posted March 6, 2018 2 minutes ago, Boyst62 said: Oh, and I don't like this signing. This is Reggie bush level bad. Nothing is Reggie Bush bad. Well, maybe a zombie apocalypse, that's about it 2 2
Chuck Wagon Posted March 6, 2018 Posted March 6, 2018 14 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Barnwell No Likey! Regardless, he's a good 2nd option who doesn't factor into the comp pick formula for 2019. I think he's washed up. Had no burst in Jacksonville last year.
IgotBILLStopay Posted March 6, 2018 Posted March 6, 2018 Isnt that a bit much to pay an old running back with a deep RB draft? I mean I like Ivory as a back up .. but was hoping for 1 year less than 2 mill deal. We turned down Gillislee at 2 yrs 6.4 mill. I'd rather have Gillislee at 2 yrs 6.4 mill than Ivory at 2 yrs 5.5 mill and I think Gillislee himself was overpaid. Anyway let us hope McBeane know what they are doing. 1
YoloinOhio Posted March 6, 2018 Posted March 6, 2018 (edited) 1 minute ago, Cash said: Meh. You could do worse, so I don't mind this, but I'm not excited. I was a big Chris Ivory fan when he was with the Saints, but he's 30 now and IMO in decline. Yards per carry last 4 years: 3.4, 3.8, 4.3, 4.1. I'll be surprised if he's over 4 for us next year. Pluses: He's a real NFL player who knows how to play RB Not huge money Could serve as a decent goal-line back? (I haven't seen him in that role in a while, so not sure if he's actually good at it or just seems like he would be) Doesn't count against comp pick formula Less pressure to draft a RB in 3rd round or higher, but still have the option to do so if a great prospect is there Minuses: Best days are likely behind him, not clear how much he has left in the tank Money is still way higher than that of a 4th/5th round pick, and there'll be at least 1 of those who's better than Ivory this year All in all, not bad. I'm with others who think that he likely takes most of Tolbert's carries. The question becomes, does that mean Tolbert is gone, or does the team ask him to switch to FB and cut the higher-paid DiMarco? I hope we don't intend to carry Tolbert as basically a mascot. I'm sure he's great for the locker room/culture and all that, but he makes too much money not to contribute on the field. I'm okay with him as FB if that's the route they go. They still need to add more RBs. You can’t go into camp with 3 RBs on the roster. They will still draft one. The ideal mix is one of vets plus rookies. Edited March 6, 2018 by YoloinOhio
billieve420 Posted March 6, 2018 Posted March 6, 2018 3 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Barnwell No Likey! Regardless, he's a good 2nd option who doesn't factor into the comp pick formula for 2019. Would rather have seen FA money spent on upgrading the O-line and the Front 7 on defense. RBs are a dime a dozen yet the Bills continue to invest in that position. Anything other than a 1 yr deal is a bad move in my opinion. Maybe we can sign another FB as well.
boyst Posted March 6, 2018 Posted March 6, 2018 Just now, Like A Mofo said: Nothing is Reggie Bush bad. Well, maybe a zombie apocalypse, that's about it Zombie Reggie bushs with a Kardashian in tow and the ghost of Caitlin Jenner's lovespear? That's a good mental image. I think it could make a good cartoon show premise actually. 1
BigBuff423 Posted March 6, 2018 Posted March 6, 2018 11 minutes ago, Call_Of_Ktulu said: If a young talented RB like Kamara drops to you I think you take him. I want the Bills offense to be filled with talented players. I agree, but the problem there is that every FA dollar you spend on one position, you can't spend it somewhere else...the same to be said regarding the Draft. So, if the Bills spend their FA money on Ivory and keep their money invested in Shady, they don't have the luxury of spending a 3rd round pick on a RB when they've already invested so much. Which for me, is one reason why I think it makes more sense to trade Shady. That same 3rd round pick would need to be a DT / LB or Offensive lineman if you're keeping Shady and obviously paying Ivory.
K D Posted March 6, 2018 Posted March 6, 2018 I like Ivory from 5 yrs ago. Not sure if he's the same guy at this point
26CornerBlitz Posted March 6, 2018 Posted March 6, 2018 Just now, Chuck Wagon said: I think he's washed up. Had no burst in Jacksonville last year. Not worried about his "burst" as a power guy. I think he can be effective as a #2 Come on up to the Ivory Tower man.
BillsMafia13 Posted March 6, 2018 Posted March 6, 2018 13 minutes ago, Chandler#81 said: IF ONLY we had him with 1st & Goal vs Jacksonville........ Wound is too fresh man, too soon
DaBillsFanSince1973 Posted March 6, 2018 Posted March 6, 2018 did they give him league minimum? he's not done well the last couple years.
Fan in Chicago Posted March 6, 2018 Posted March 6, 2018 9 minutes ago, eball said: Except the option that removes a future HOFer still playing at an elite level for an offense devoid of playmakers. Fair point, eball but I am saying that you listen to every offer and see where the Bills shake out in terms of value. I am a Shady fan so dont take this to mean I want him off the team.
Like A Mofo Posted March 6, 2018 Posted March 6, 2018 My one concern: Douglas Marrone let him go and he loves those kind of RB's. Or was this a strict cap related move?
Cash Posted March 6, 2018 Posted March 6, 2018 8 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Chris Ivory is definitely nowhere near the 21st best RB in the NFL. Probably closer to 21st best backup than 21st best overall. Granted, he'll get bumped down by some actual free agents, but I still expect him to be a little overpaid next year. Not by a huge amount, but these things add up. 6 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Barnwell No Likey! Regardless, he's a good 2nd option who doesn't factor into the comp pick formula for 2019. I didn't realize he had so many fumbles - yikes! Looks like 2016 was the big problem - 5 fumbles on 117 carries compared to 2 on 112 last year. But he's had at least 2 fumbles every year since 2013, and it's not like he's had a lot of carries in those years, either. I'm downgrading my rating from "not bad" to "kinda bad but not terrible".
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