WMDman Posted March 6, 2018 Posted March 6, 2018 Just now, John from Riverside said: Did he not lead the league in rushing in one of his years of playing? he lead the AFC in 15, I think AP lead the league
DCOrange Posted March 6, 2018 Posted March 6, 2018 10 minutes ago, folz said: Yes, lots of rookies come in and run well. But conversely, most rookies are terrible at pass protection. Ivory graded out as the #78 pass blocker in the league at the RB position this past season on top of being one of the worst runners. 2 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: Did he not lead the league in rushing in one of his years of playing? He finished 5th in 2015
HiddenInLight Posted March 6, 2018 Posted March 6, 2018 1 minute ago, DCOrange said: Ivory graded out as the #78 pass blocker in the league at the RB position this past season on top of being one of the worst runners. He finished 5th in 2015 He did play for the most predictable OC in football though.
John from Riverside Posted March 6, 2018 Posted March 6, 2018 3 minutes ago, WMDman said: he lead the AFC in 15, I think AP lead the league Got it...thanks
Guest K-GunJimKelly12 Posted March 6, 2018 Posted March 6, 2018 (edited) 21 minutes ago, Jamie Muellers Ghost said: This just in Bulldog and Schopp do not like it... Schopp is clueless about many aspects of sports and Bulldog is his kuck. Edited March 6, 2018 by K-GunJimKelly12
CommonCents Posted March 6, 2018 Posted March 6, 2018 11 minutes ago, ThunderingHerd said: What do you mean by a habit dropping the football on the ground? NFL Stats shows 18 career rushing fumbles for Ivory. Shady has 19. Do you mean pass catches? No I meant fumbles. Look at his total attempts. Then look at 2015 onward. He set a record for highest fumble percentage for any back with over 100 carries in a season. It was just shy of 5 percent IIRC
Magox Posted March 6, 2018 Posted March 6, 2018 3 minutes ago, K-GunJimKelly12 said: Schopp is clueless about many aspects of sports and Bulldog is his kuck. You saying Bulldog likes watching Schopp engage in intercourse? I'm confused
HiddenInLight Posted March 6, 2018 Posted March 6, 2018 Just now, Magox said: You saying Bulldog likes watching Schopp engage in intercourse? I'm confused I think he's saying that they know more about drafting Thanksgiving Side Dishes then they do about sports. 1
Royale with Cheese Posted March 6, 2018 Posted March 6, 2018 Just now, Magox said: You saying Bulldog likes watching Schopp engage in intercourse? I'm confused I'm going to do something cruel to you. Close your eyes and start imagining the scene that's in bold. No matter how bad you fight it, it will creep in your head at least for a second....like a catchy song tune. Are you enjoying this?
Guest K-GunJimKelly12 Posted March 6, 2018 Posted March 6, 2018 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Magox said: You saying Bulldog likes watching Schopp engage in intercourse? I'm confused I'm saying Bulldog waits for Schopp to tell Bulldog what Bulldog's opinion is. I don't think I have ever heard him disagree with Schopp once. Edited March 6, 2018 by K-GunJimKelly12
ThunderingHerd Posted March 6, 2018 Posted March 6, 2018 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Commonsense said: No I meant fumbles. Look at his total attempts. Then look at 2015 onward. He set a record for highest fumble percentage for any back with over 100 carries in a season. It was just shy of 5 percent IIRC I see what you're saying now. The ratio in 2016 wasn't great. Got better in '17. Hopefully he doesn't drop the rock, can't see McDermott being too tolerant of that. Edited March 6, 2018 by ThunderingHerd
1st&ten Posted March 6, 2018 Posted March 6, 2018 3 hours ago, ndirish1978 said: You're not a fan, but you have no idea what his skill set is? Makes perfect sense. I've seen the stats & other posts about his running & fumbling; haven't seen anything about his blocking. I think there will be cheaper options available that are just as good this off season. We have a lot of holes to fill. I'd liked to see the money spent on lineman & linebackers. Hopefully, he'll prove his worth & I'll be happy.
Buffalo_Stampede Posted March 6, 2018 Posted March 6, 2018 McDermott seems to like veteran players. I thought the Bills would try and get younger this year but so far they signed 2 30 year old vets. So looks like getting younger won't happen.
GG Posted March 6, 2018 Posted March 6, 2018 34 minutes ago, Jamie Muellers Ghost said: This just in Bulldog and Schopp do not like it... That settles it for me. Great pick up. 1 1
Guest K-GunJimKelly12 Posted March 6, 2018 Posted March 6, 2018 (edited) 7 minutes ago, TheTruthHurts said: McDermott seems to like veteran players. I thought the Bills would try and get younger this year but so far they signed 2 30 year old vets. So looks like getting younger won't happen. You aren't getting young players in their prime before free agency officially starts. The Bills have a lot of holes and you can't fill them all in one off-season. Signing vets to short term deals, to insulate yourself and give yourself another year to build the long term roster is the right and prudent thing to do. It actually gives me a lot of faith in this regime that they know what they are doing. Surprising more people don't understand this. Edited March 6, 2018 by K-GunJimKelly12
SoFFacet Posted March 6, 2018 Posted March 6, 2018 2 minutes ago, TheTruthHurts said: McDermott seems to like veteran players. I thought the Bills would try and get younger this year but so far they signed 2 30 year old vets. So looks like getting younger won't happen. I don't suppose you realize that real free agency hasn't even started yet, or that neither of these signings preclude them from signing or drafting other players, or that the draft is really the only way to add significant youth to the team...
DCOrange Posted March 6, 2018 Posted March 6, 2018 17 minutes ago, HiddenInLight said: He did play for the most predictable OC in football though. Sure, but he was nowhere near Fournette, Yeldon, or Corey Grant for that matter in terms of his running. He was sadly the best pass blocker on the team though according to PFF.
Cash Posted March 6, 2018 Posted March 6, 2018 1 hour ago, thebandit27 said: That's a bit overstated IMO. Adrian Peterson was clearly brought in to be the RB2 for NO behind Ingram last year, but they still drafted Kamara in round 3, and look how that paid off. Yup, fairly similar situation here. That's why I'm pretty meh/slight negative on this signing, rather than doom & gloom like a couple posters in this thread. If the Bills see another potential Kamara in the 3rd or maybe even 2nd, I don't think the presence of Ivory will stop them from pulling the trigger. And as a veteran backup, you could do worse than Ivory. I just think they overpaid - I would've expected Ivory to get closer to the league minimum, and I don't see Ivory as a guy who's much better at his age than a minimum-salary guy like Joe Banyard or Tavaris Cadet. It's pretty weird that LeGarrette Blount had 1100 yards and scored 18 TDs, became a free agent, and got basically a 1 year minimum deal, while Chris Ivory had a pretty weak 2016 and 2017, got cut, and now gets high-end backup money. And I stand by my original statement. I watch most Saints games, and Peterson was definitely the #2 back at the start of the season, with Kamara as the 3rd down/receiving back. Even as good as Kamara was, the pricey veteran backup got more carries until week 4. Unless our Kamara 2.0 is absolutely unbelievable in training camp, I expect it would be a similar situation for us - Ivory has the main backup job until week 4-6 or so. How long did it take Rico/McDermott to realize that Tolbert shouldn't be getting 10 carries a game as the primary backup last year? I'm guessing it would take Daboll/McDermott about that long to realize that Kamara 2.0 should be getting Ivory's work next year.
thebandit27 Posted March 6, 2018 Posted March 6, 2018 1 minute ago, Cash said: Yup, fairly similar situation here. That's why I'm pretty meh/slight negative on this signing, rather than doom & gloom like a couple posters in this thread. If the Bills see another potential Kamara in the 3rd or maybe even 2nd, I don't think the presence of Ivory will stop them from pulling the trigger. And as a veteran backup, you could do worse than Ivory. I just think they overpaid - I would've expected Ivory to get closer to the league minimum, and I don't see Ivory as a guy who's much better at his age than a minimum-salary guy like Joe Banyard or Tavaris Cadet. It's pretty weird that LeGarrette Blount had 1100 yards and scored 18 TDs, became a free agent, and got basically a 1 year minimum deal, while Chris Ivory had a pretty weak 2016 and 2017, got cut, and now gets high-end backup money. And I stand by my original statement. I watch most Saints games, and Peterson was definitely the #2 back at the start of the season, with Kamara as the 3rd down/receiving back. Even as good as Kamara was, the pricey veteran backup got more carries until week 4. Unless our Kamara 2.0 is absolutely unbelievable in training camp, I expect it would be a similar situation for us - Ivory has the main backup job until week 4-6 or so. How long did it take Rico/McDermott to realize that Tolbert shouldn't be getting 10 carries a game as the primary backup last year? I'm guessing it would take Daboll/McDermott about that long to realize that Kamara 2.0 should be getting Ivory's work next year. I agree with most of that; I doubt that they'll go into the season without a younger back in whom they have faith. 1
Fadingpain Posted March 6, 2018 Posted March 6, 2018 He's an improvement over Tolbert but this is kind of a "meh" signing to be honest at this point in his career.
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