Cash Posted March 6, 2018 Posted March 6, 2018 On 3/6/2018 at 6:05 PM, YoloinOhio said: Expand I don't mind Sal C - he seems like a nice guy - but sometimes his analysis is a little underwhelming. He seems to be implying that Ivory is being brought in to compete and might theoretically lose out to a different FA signing and/or a rookie and be cut. But if the reports are true that Ivory's contract has $3.25 million guaranteed, there's virtually no way he gets cut before 2019. Follow the money. The Bills are currently #1 in 2018 cap $ at RB with only 3 players under contract. Chris Ivory is currently the #21 RB in average salary, and should wind up around #28 or so after free agency and the draft. That's a lot more than just being brought in to compete - he is our primary backup RB until proven otherwise. Now, I'm sure that if he sucks (hopefully not), McDermott will be willing to bench or cut him, which is good. Other than Tolbert, he hasn't shown much favoritism so far, and even Tolbert eventually lost most of his role before injuries put him back in the lineup. (And a lot of the problems with Tolbert might be on Rico - I don't think either Tolbert or McDermott had the idea of lining Tolbert out wide and throwing him a quick slant.)
PolishDave Posted March 6, 2018 Posted March 6, 2018 On 3/6/2018 at 6:01 PM, Utah John said: You shouldn't compare Darby in Philly with Darby who would be leaving Buffalo as a FA. Darby saw how Gilmore cashed in and that looked good to him. McBeane got some value for Darby instead of another year of service plus nothing in the future. It turned out the value he got wasn't that good, but Matthews had been great in Philly and was injured a lot here so it's hard to criticize that trade. Benjamin was playing hurt last year. He's going to be much better this year. Check back in a year or two and see if you still don't think he was worth the cost. Dareus was another addition by subtraction. He was a cancer in the locker room and would have been cut for lack of production. McBeane made the best possible deal. Expand So you are suggesting (whether intentionally or not) that Beane already has a history of trading for players who are injury prone. Looks like Rosen is their guy then.
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted March 6, 2018 Posted March 6, 2018 On 3/6/2018 at 3:43 PM, JR in Pittsburgh said: Wonder if that fan who went on the anti-Tolbert campaign (Kickstarter?) will get some credit!! Expand There was way more than one of those.... even the press was scratching their head by mid year after 1 too many jet... nay.... prop plane sweeps...
Saxum Posted March 6, 2018 Posted March 6, 2018 On 3/6/2018 at 3:49 PM, Helpmenow said: Cadet if healthy might be ok Expand Three older backs would be an odd combination.
thebandit27 Posted March 6, 2018 Posted March 6, 2018 On 3/6/2018 at 7:50 PM, Cash said: I don't mind Sal C - he seems like a nice guy - but sometimes his analysis is a little underwhelming. He seems to be implying that Ivory is being brought in to compete and might theoretically lose out to a different FA signing and/or a rookie and be cut. But if the reports are true that Ivory's contract has $3.25 million guaranteed, there's virtually no way he gets cut before 2019. Follow the money. The Bills are currently #1 in 2018 cap $ at RB with only 3 players under contract. Chris Ivory is currently the #21 RB in average salary, and should wind up around #28 or so after free agency and the draft. That's a lot more than just being brought in to compete - he is our primary backup RB until proven otherwise. Now, I'm sure that if he sucks (hopefully not), McDermott will be willing to bench or cut him, which is good. Other than Tolbert, he hasn't shown much favoritism so far, and even Tolbert eventually lost most of his role before injuries put him back in the lineup. (And a lot of the problems with Tolbert might be on Rico - I don't think either Tolbert or McDermott had the idea of lining Tolbert out wide and throwing him a quick slant.) Expand That's a bit overstated IMO. Adrian Peterson was clearly brought in to be the RB2 for NO behind Ingram last year, but they still drafted Kamara in round 3, and look how that paid off.
Hebert19 Posted March 6, 2018 Posted March 6, 2018 On 3/6/2018 at 3:54 PM, elltrain22 said: Good news!! For a few reasons. 1. Ivory is a good player, and a nice option for short yardage/goal line 2. Eliminates or severely decreases the need for an early round pick being spent on a RB, now we can draft another positional need 3. our FO is demonstrating very good presentation. 2 visits, and 2 signings!! 4. we can get rid of Tolbert!! Expand Nailed it. There are a few bozos in the media criticizing this but he's a solid player at a decent salary that allows us to now focus on other holes in the draft. Could we have waited to see who else gets released. Sure but would we do better for cheaper. Doubt it.
NastyNateSoldiers Posted March 6, 2018 Posted March 6, 2018 On 3/6/2018 at 7:30 PM, YoloinOhio said: They have 8 draft picks, and currently need to add 34 players by TC. Expand So that means we throwaway money on old man Ivory. On 3/6/2018 at 7:59 PM, Hebert19 said: Nailed it. There are a few bozos in the media criticizing this but he's a solid player at a decent salary that allows us to now focus on other holes in the draft. Could we have waited to see who else gets released. Sure but would we do better for cheaper. Doubt it. Expand UDFA were beating this guy out last yr we definitely can do better.
Logic Posted March 6, 2018 Posted March 6, 2018 On 3/6/2018 at 7:09 PM, NastyNateSoldiers said: The Bills seem to be a team that has no feel for the draft. This yr is loaded at RB we got other holes to fill and we go sign a 30yr old for guranteed money. Expand Or maybe they DO have a feel for the draft, and are of the opinion that other positions offer more value?
NastyNateSoldiers Posted March 6, 2018 Posted March 6, 2018 On 3/6/2018 at 8:26 PM, John from Riverside said: Expand What a difference a yr can do he couldn't even be the 3rd best on his team last yr.
John from Riverside Posted March 6, 2018 Posted March 6, 2018 On 3/6/2018 at 8:30 PM, NastyNateSoldiers said: What a difference a yr can do he couldn't even be the 3rd best on his team last yr. Expand Change of scenery could put the fire right back in him......Its not like he hasnt been one of the best RB's in the NFL at some point
Jamie Muellers Ghost Posted March 6, 2018 Posted March 6, 2018 This just in Bulldog and Schopp do not like it... 1
Misterbluesky Posted March 6, 2018 Posted March 6, 2018 On 3/6/2018 at 8:35 PM, Jamie Muellers Ghost said: This just in Bulldog and Schopp do not like it... Expand Who cares...is Schoop ever happy about anything? Biggest Debbie downer in the local media,outside of sullivan.
folz Posted March 6, 2018 Posted March 6, 2018 On 3/6/2018 at 4:30 PM, DCOrange said: Isn't that kind of the point though? Buffalo could have easily gotten someone on a rookie deal that would likely be a better player too. He's roughly one of the 20 highest paid RBs next season. Expand Yes, lots of rookies come in and run well. But conversely, most rookies are terrible at pass protection.
ThunderingHerd Posted March 6, 2018 Posted March 6, 2018 (edited) On 3/6/2018 at 3:44 PM, Commonsense said: Injured riddled tank with a habit of dropping the football on the ground. I hope he is plan C at RB. Expand What do you mean by a habit dropping the football on the ground? NFL Stats shows 18 career rushing fumbles for Ivory. Shady has 19. Do you mean pass catches? Edited March 6, 2018 by ThunderingHerd 1
ddaryl Posted March 6, 2018 Posted March 6, 2018 On 3/6/2018 at 8:40 PM, Misterbluesky said: Who cares...is Schoop ever happy about anything? Biggest Debbie downer in the local media,outside of sullivan. Expand and Misterbluesky don't play that debbie downer crap
without a drought Posted March 6, 2018 Posted March 6, 2018 On 3/6/2018 at 8:34 PM, John from Riverside said: Change of scenery could put the fire right back in him......Its not like he hasnt been one of the best RB's in the NFL at some point Expand He had one good season with the Jets, he has never been or never will be considered one of the best RB's at any point.
John from Riverside Posted March 6, 2018 Posted March 6, 2018 On 3/6/2018 at 8:49 PM, The Drought said: He had one good season with the Jets, he has never been or never will be considered one of the best RB's at any point. Expand Did he not lead the league in rushing in one of his years of playing?
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