Doc Posted March 11, 2018 Posted March 11, 2018 (edited) 18 minutes ago, Chuck Wagon said: Please no. They were openly talking about replacing him with Sudfield after the Dallas game. Please just get a blue chip rookie for the first time in 35 years. Do you think they were still saying that after the SB? And great, it means he's replaceable to them. Edited March 11, 2018 by Doc
Doc Brown Posted March 11, 2018 Posted March 11, 2018 On 3/5/2018 at 7:33 PM, Mark Vader said: Even if this were true, the Eagles will want a lot more than a 2nd round pick for Foles. The Eagles hold all the cards in this situation. They will command a king's ransom for Foles. True, but as the offseason continues and they don't receive a better offer they may eventually cave to say a 2nd and 4th/5th round pick or risk losing him next year for nothing. It's possible because of Wentz's injury that they'd rather keep him the final year then trade him unless it's a first. It's hard to tell what they're mindset is.
YoloinOhio Posted March 11, 2018 Posted March 11, 2018 There has been smoke around the Bills interest in Foles going back awhile now. Still think they draft one, too. 1
Doc Posted March 11, 2018 Posted March 11, 2018 3 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: There has been smoke around the Bills interest in Foles going back awhile now. Still think they draft one, too. If they trade for Foles, I doubt they draft a QB. He's a young 29, having barely played (49 games) over his first 6 seasons.
YoloinOhio Posted March 11, 2018 Posted March 11, 2018 1 minute ago, Doc said: If they trade for Foles, I doubt they draft a QB. He's a young 29, having barely played (49 games) over his first 6 seasons. He only has one year left on his deal. He’s accomplished more, but he’s older and about the same as Tyrod in terms of whether you should still draft one imo. I still consider him a bridge. If he wins the job in camp, great ... take it from there. But depending on who they draft he might not.
MrEpsYtown Posted March 11, 2018 Posted March 11, 2018 The Foles thing is interesting because of his contract. It is really cheap, which would allow the team to use money elsewhere, and I think he is young enough that you don't have to move up to draft a quarterback this year. I prefer jumping up and drafting Rosen, but I think the Foles thing makes sense. My question is, does that contract void next year regardless of what team he is on? Or is it a provision that is specific to the Eagles. If he is coming with that contract, he is definitely worth a second round pick and then you have a ton of flexibility in the draft. That said, I still think we want Rosen and I think Foles winds up in Arizona.
Yav Posted March 11, 2018 Posted March 11, 2018 I didn’t realize this guy was still alive. Hmm. Either way The Eagles do not hold all the cards, keep Foles and figure out how to get under the cap.
BuffaloRebound Posted March 11, 2018 Posted March 11, 2018 Even though Foles costs you some draft picks, he's an upgrade over Tyrod and probably saves you draft capital on a trade-up since Bills don't have to be as desperate with Foles in the mix. Maybe the guy you want falls past the Jets and instead of spending 3 1sts, you only have to spend 2. 1
D. L. Hot-Flamethrower Posted March 11, 2018 Posted March 11, 2018 I open up my twitter feed and the first 3 are: 1.Bills trading for Brees 2. Bills speaking with Colts about 3rd pick want a franchise guy 3.Bills have the best offer in to the Eagles for Foles My head is going to explode! 2
Doc Posted March 11, 2018 Posted March 11, 2018 10 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: He only has one year left on his deal. He’s accomplished more, but he’s older and about the same as Tyrod in terms of whether you should still draft one imo. I still consider him a bridge. If he wins the job in camp, great ... take it from there. But depending on who they draft he might not. Having 1-year left on his deal helps the Bills. They can evaluate him for (part of) the year and see if he's worth keeping. If not, let him walk and maybe get a comp pick in 2020.
YoloinOhio Posted March 11, 2018 Posted March 11, 2018 Just now, MrEpsYtown said: The Foles thing is interesting because of his contract. It is really cheap, which would allow the team to use money elsewhere, and I think he is young enough that you don't have to move up to draft a quarterback this year. I prefer jumping up and drafting Rosen, but I think the Foles thing makes sense. My question is, does that contract void next year regardless of what team he is on? Or is it a provision that is specific to the Eagles. If he is coming with that contract, he is definitely worth a second round pick and then you have a ton of flexibility in the draft. That said, I still think we want Rosen and I think Foles winds up in Arizona. He comes with the contract. You would either extend him at some point or let him play it out. You are paying out draft picks though for what could essentially be one year of bridge or backup work. Hedging your bets though at the QB position though, is wise. We all love the idea of Rosen et al but nothing is a sure thing. 1
Wayne Cubed Posted March 11, 2018 Posted March 11, 2018 Just now, Doc said: Having 1-year left on his deal helps the Bills. They can evaluate him for (part of) the year and see if he's worth keeping. If not, let him walk and maybe get a comp pick in 2020. So trade a possible 2nd round pick to evaluate a QB for a year? And if he doesn’t work out dump him? That seems like an incredible waste of draft capital... if your suggesting the Bills wouldn’t also draft a QB. Still a pretty high price for a 1 year rental. 1
Misterbluesky Posted March 11, 2018 Posted March 11, 2018 8 minutes ago, horned dogs said: I open up my twitter feed and the first 3 are: 1.Bills trading for Brees 2. Bills speaking with Colts about 3rd pick want a franchise guy 3.Bills have the best offer in to the Eagles for Foles My head is going to explode! The Brees trade is 100% complete hogwash.
Boatdrinks Posted March 11, 2018 Posted March 11, 2018 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Wayne Cubed said: So trade a possible 2nd round pick to evaluate a QB for a year? And if he doesn’t work out dump him? That seems like an incredible waste of draft capital... if your suggesting the Bills wouldn’t also draft a QB. Still a pretty high price for a 1 year rental. If the Bills offered the pick ( it appears they did) they are obviously ok with that price. A trade for Foles would likely indicate a more conservative draft strategy than say, a costly move up into the top five. I think the Bills would draft a QB in the first round, but a player they could obtain with less draft capital . That QB would probably need a bit more development time. It looks like they are covering their bases and have a plan for multiple scenarios. Edited March 11, 2018 by Boatdrinks 1
Wayne Cubed Posted March 11, 2018 Posted March 11, 2018 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said: If the Bills offered the pick ( it appears they did) they are obviously ok with that price. A trade for Foles would likely indicate a more conservative draft strategy than say, a costly move up into the top five. I think the Bills would draft a QB in the first round, but a player they could obtain with less draft capital . That QB would probably need a bit more development time. It looks like they are covering their bases and have a plan for multiple scenarios. My point wasn’t really about what the price would be for Foles, more that Doc was suggesting it would be for a 1 year rental if things didn’t work out. That would mean they aren’t sure about Foles. To me, that seems like a waste of draft capital. You trade for Foles, give up a 2nd, because you believe he can be your starter. It’s why the 9ers did it. I don’t like the Foles option, I think it’ll turn into the same as Flacco situation in Balt, but if the Bills brass are convinced he’s a starter then you trade and extend him. You don’t use a 2nd round pick for a one year rental, imo. Edited March 11, 2018 by Wayne Cubed
DCOrange Posted March 11, 2018 Posted March 11, 2018 15 minutes ago, horned dogs said: I open up my twitter feed and the first 3 are: 1.Bills trading for Brees 2. Bills speaking with Colts about 3rd pick want a franchise guy 3.Bills have the best offer in to the Eagles for Foles My head is going to explode! Where did you see that Buffalo is trading for a free agent QB?
Doc Posted March 11, 2018 Posted March 11, 2018 10 minutes ago, Wayne Cubed said: So trade a possible 2nd round pick to evaluate a QB for a year? And if he doesn’t work out dump him? That seems like an incredible waste of draft capital... if your suggesting the Bills wouldn’t also draft a QB. Still a pretty high price for a 1 year rental. True. Assuming he doesn't work out. But I'd rather do that than for a, say, WR. 1
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted March 11, 2018 Posted March 11, 2018 18 minutes ago, horned dogs said: I open up my twitter feed and the first 3 are: 1.Bills trading for Brees 2. Bills speaking with Colts about 3rd pick want a franchise guy 3.Bills have the best offer in to the Eagles for Foles My head is going to explode! Problem #1. Twitter 1
mannc Posted March 11, 2018 Posted March 11, 2018 12 minutes ago, Wayne Cubed said: So trade a possible 2nd round pick to evaluate a QB for a year? And if he doesn’t work out dump him? That seems like an incredible waste of draft capital... if your suggesting the Bills wouldn’t also draft a QB. Still a pretty high price for a 1 year rental. Remember, it's a late second round pick and there is at least some evidence that Foles could turn into a long-term solution. And he's got a cheap contract for the duration of that 1-year rental. 1
Wayne Cubed Posted March 11, 2018 Posted March 11, 2018 Just now, mannc said: Remember, it's a late second round pick and there is at least some evidence that Foles could turn into a long-term solution. And he's got a cheap contract for the duration of that 1-year rental. Still a waste when you could be getting a 4 year starter out of that pick or using that pick to move up for a young QB for 5 years. If you do it, it’s because you believe he is a a long term solution. And then you extend him. 5 minutes ago, Doc said: True. Assuming he doesn't work out. But I'd rather do that than for a, say, WR. A WR rental isnt so bad if you got your QB. I know your referencing Sammy, but that trade isn’t going to hurt them.
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