CommonCents Posted March 5, 2018 Posted March 5, 2018 1 minute ago, thebandit27 said: Understand that I haven't read that, so I'm taking your word for it. That said, if an "unnamed team" told a reporter that a guy didn't acquit himself well on the white board, it could be true, or it could be nonsense. This is a time for misinformation. I have Jackson as my QB4, but one of the things that I liked about his improved passing from So to Jr season is that he showed the ability to read the whole field and manipulate DBs with his progression. It would surprise me if he were substantially behind the other guys--especially Darnold, who made mostly half-field, RPO, hi-lo style reads. I don't like Darnold either he looked stiff every time I watched him. Breer does a radio interview on the sports hub, that's where he said it this morning. As good as Allen threw it sounds like he left a lot to be desired in the classroom. Then said if Mayfield was 6'4 this thing wouldn't even be close come draft day. You can take it how you want with Jackson and Allen but anyone that listened to that interview would get the impression that Jackson/Allen are both DUMB. Breer is very direct in his interviews, almost unprofessionally so for a guy that is working for SI.
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted March 5, 2018 Posted March 5, 2018 15 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: Vick had a pretty good career. Tebow wasn’t the best athlete in the draft!! He threw the ball like a girl. Jackson has a cannon. I’m not saying that Jackson will be good or bad but he has little (to nothing) in common with Tebow as a prospect. He has a lot of Vick in him. He has a high-ceiling and low-floor. Allen is the same way IMO. Makes sense- and who wants to gamble with first round picks? Bills have the picks to get some very solid starters across the roster. Pick up the low floor high ceiling guys when the drop into the right place. 16 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said: Yep. Tebows throwing motion was red flagged from the outset. Geeze man that throwing motion was probably flagged in peewee... with a shrug and a “oh well guess it works for him”
metzelaars_lives Posted March 5, 2018 Posted March 5, 2018 (edited) As a Wyoming football fan, I'm not saying that Josh Allen is an ultra safe bet to succeed in the NFL and I definitely think he'd be best-served going to a team like San Diego and sitting for a couple years (in which case I think he absolutely would succeed) but the degree to which people are scoffing at him on here is really, really ignorant. My closest comparison for Allen is Cam Newton and it reminds me a lot of when like 50% of this website was all "bwahahahaha I can't believe Carolina is actually taking Newton at 1, what a bunch of morons lolz." Edited March 5, 2018 by metzelaars_lives 3
Pete Posted March 5, 2018 Posted March 5, 2018 Arden Key Orlando Brown overpaying for any player Let's go BPA and value!
CommonCents Posted March 5, 2018 Posted March 5, 2018 Then you have this from Doug Gottleib http://thespun.com/acc/louisville/lamar-jackson-project-nfl-gm/amp I found this while trying to find if the Hub archives their interviews daily. Interesting that his information matches Breer's.
Jay_Fixit Posted March 5, 2018 Posted March 5, 2018 1 hour ago, Blokestradamus said: There is also the age concerns with Ridley. His developmental curve probably doesn't last as long as most of the class as a professional. Yup, the age thing can be a concern, however he’d only be 1 1/2 months older than Kelvin Benjamin was when drafted. 1
Blokestradamus Posted March 5, 2018 Posted March 5, 2018 2 minutes ago, Jay_Fixit said: Yup, the age thing can be a concern, however he’d only be 1 1/2 months older than Kelvin Benjamin was when drafted. Ridley does have one advantage over Kelvin. He's good at football. 1
TheElectricCompany Posted March 5, 2018 Posted March 5, 2018 I just cannot get excited about Josh Allen. Seems like nothing more than a big guy with a big arm.
OldTimer1960 Posted March 5, 2018 Posted March 5, 2018 2 hours ago, Blokestradamus said: Josh Allen, Mason Rudolph, Orlando Brown. I'll also channel my inner Bill From NYC and say any DB. More of a roster management issue than anything talent related. Blokes, what don't you like about Mason Rudolph? I know he is kind of a "blah" prospect with a relatively lower ceiling than several others, but he has size, was productive and (supposedly) impressed teams with his football knowledge when they interviewed him. I know he doesn't have the strongest of arms, but it appears adequate from what I've seen.
Jay_Fixit Posted March 5, 2018 Posted March 5, 2018 5 minutes ago, Blokestradamus said: Ridley does have one advantage over Kelvin. He's good at football. True. He can even like run routes and stuff.
Kirby Jackson Posted March 5, 2018 Posted March 5, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: Makes sense- and who wants to gamble with first round picks? Bills have the picks to get some very solid starters across the roster. Pick up the low floor high ceiling guys when the drop into the right place. Geeze man that throwing motion was probably flagged in peewee... with a shrug and a “oh well guess it works for him” I agree, I’m not advocating the boom or bust guys. Just saying that it is weird that the same people that hate the high floor low ceiling guy that the Bills have hate the low floor high ceiling guys in the draft. Edited March 5, 2018 by Kirby Jackson
DCOrange Posted March 5, 2018 Posted March 5, 2018 (edited) 29 minutes ago, thebandit27 said: He's not an extremely poor athlete, which was the point that I was addressing. I don't think anyone would call Antonio Brown an extremely poor athlete, and Ridley's athletic numbers are quite close to (and in more than half the drills, better than) Brown's. Now I'm not saying that your opinion of him not being worth a high 1st round pick is unjustified; I'm saying that calling him an extremely poor athlete is not accurate. He absolutely is. He literally tested out in the 7th percentile of NFL WRs. For perspective, over the past 3 drafts, these are the WRs that you may have heard of that tested as poorly (even ignoring the age part of the issue): Pharaoh Cooper Rashard Higgins That's the whole list. They have a combined 58 catches in 57 games. Edit: Is it possible that Ridley overcomes his lack of athleticism and becomes a productive WR anyways? Sure. But I'm just not interested in taking a guy with his athleticism and age in the 1st round. Edited March 5, 2018 by DCOrange
John from Riverside Posted March 5, 2018 Posted March 5, 2018 39 minutes ago, Commonsense said: Yeah let's ignore the fact that this ultra productive college QB struggles understanding plays on a whiteboard! I'm sure he will be better understanding plays when 300 pound monsters are chasing him! Yikes!! You should football more They run the PATRIOTS offense at his school....for christ sake. Im willing to listen to legit arguements on why NOT to wait till 21 and draft the kid but keep hearing garbage like this
Logic Posted March 5, 2018 Posted March 5, 2018 Josh Allen. Let's see: Perfect QB physique, huge arm, no accuracy. Where have I heard this one before....Oh right! The last two first round QBs we drafted!
CommonCents Posted March 5, 2018 Posted March 5, 2018 11 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: You should football more They run the PATRIOTS offense at his school....for christ sake. Im willing to listen to legit arguements on why NOT to wait till 21 and draft the kid but keep hearing garbage like this New name same pile.
John from Riverside Posted March 5, 2018 Posted March 5, 2018 5 minutes ago, Commonsense said: New name same pile. That totally helps your non existant stance on Lamar Jackson
CommonCents Posted March 5, 2018 Posted March 5, 2018 Just now, John from Riverside said: That totally helps your non existant stance on Lamar Jackson You're not looking for a conversation, you are foaming at the mouth and in love with a player you have probably only watched on highlights reels. Carry on. Lamar won't be coming to Buffalo, I will be waiting for that melt down that will never come because as soon as they draft someone else you will be all aboard that ship! 1
2003Contenders Posted March 5, 2018 Posted March 5, 2018 45 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: You should football more They run the PATRIOTS offense at his school....for christ sake. Im willing to listen to legit arguements on why NOT to wait till 21 and draft the kid but keep hearing garbage like this Almost makes me wonder if the Pats are leaking stuff to reporters like Breer in hopes that Jackson will fall in the draft.
John from Riverside Posted March 5, 2018 Posted March 5, 2018 26 minutes ago, Commonsense said: You're not looking for a conversation, you are foaming at the mouth and in love with a player you have probably only watched on highlights reels. Carry on. Lamar won't be coming to Buffalo, I will be waiting for that melt down that will never come because as soon as they draft someone else you will be all aboard that ship! OMFG Not only do you post completely uneducated WRONG information on players and base your evaluations (if you want to call them that) on wrong information You also have a reading comp problem.....I have firmly said that Lamar is my fall back player if the trade up for Rosen or Mayfield cannot be completed (which it may wll not be...the gape betwen 21 and 22 to top 5 is HUGE. I think it will be you that will be crying that you did not get your player.....not me 1
D. L. Hot-Flamethrower Posted March 5, 2018 Posted March 5, 2018 Hot takes abound on this thread today: So far I've been told..... Calvin Ridley is old and un-athletic Josh Allen=Ryan Leaf Josh Rosen is a social justice type Lamar Jackson has trouble understanding plays Kelvin Benjamin is not good at football And Commensense can't even answer why Vander Esch was only a one year starter, but still a first round beast Well that was fun.... 2
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