....What about QB in 2019?

[aristocrat]

Yea I posted this in another thread. Us and Jax might be the only ones looking for a qb next year. Especially if cousins goes to the Vikings

[GunnerBill]

1 hour ago, 4merper4mer said:

It is clear that Allen is Kyle Boller part two.  What if Beane sees fatal flaws I'm Jackson and Rudolph that are proven to be true over time.  Wouldn't you rather that some other team got saddled with that?  I'm not saying those flaws are there, just that our evaluators after there to evaluate reality, not unicorns and lollipops.

 

I don't like Allen either.... but my point is not about one QB or another it is about the strategy.  If they don't feel comfortable with the "2nd tier" of potential first round guys at 21 then they need to make the move up to get one of the "1st tier" potential first rounders.  The only excuse for not trading up is if they are comfortable enough about the chances of a Rudolph of Jackson being there at 21 and becoming a franchise Quarterback.  

2 minutes ago, PaattMaann said:

 

interesting. I've heard "hang tight" or "hold tight"....what is the origin of "hang fire"? like as in, dont shoot? So like "hold fire"? 

 

TRULY not poking fun but am curious to the colloquialism 

 

Yep that is the origin.  

[MAJBobby]

2019 is such a horrible QB class. This is the time to strike. Go get your Top QB. There will be a package that will make every team in the too 5 move out on. JUST DO IT. 

[DaBillsFanSince1973]

the time is now, not 2019. they get their QB and set the tone for a regime that finally gets it.

[FeelingOnYouboty]

2 hours ago, kdiggz said:

this group of QB's has been on everyone's radar for the past 2-3 yrs.  everyone has been looking forward to this draft.  THIS is the year to get a QB.  there are 0 guys on that radar for next year.  every so often there are guys that come out of nowhere and shoot up the draft board like Trubisky but that isn't a sure thing.  if Dru Lock came out this year he would have been a 3rd or 4th rounder and he's probably the top guy next year, which is embarrassing.  next year will probably be like the EJ draft where there are no good players so do you really want to chance it and wait?

 

I'm glad Beane and McDermott aren't as patient as these Bills fans who've been waiting for a QB for 23 years. It's insane the level of patience these people have lol

[Kemp]

Go get Mayfield.

[WhoTom]

I'm in favor of a QB in 2019. I hope it's the guy they draft in 2018.

 

 

[4merper4mer]

1 hour ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I don't like Allen either.... but my point is not about one QB or another it is about the strategy.  If they don't feel comfortable with the "2nd tier" of potential first round guys at 21 then they need to make the move up to get one of the "1st tier" potential first rounders.  The only excuse for not trading up is if they are comfortable enough about the chances of a Rudolph of Jackson being there at 21 and becoming a franchise Quarterback.  

 

Yep that is the origin.  

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But the Bills simply may not have the ability to get that high.

 

If Cleveland loves a QB then one down.  The Giants either are going QB....2 down, or Barkley.  They are not moving to 21.  Berkeley doesn't get past Cle at 4.  Could the Colts be a target?  Maybe.  But they can also get value from the Jets or Broncoes very easily and move a few spots....not 17 spots.  So there are at least two gone before we have ANY shot at all.  I'll assume Cousins is on either NYJ or DEN so QB3 could last until 7.  

 

Tampa is in a goodbye spot to sell to the highest bidder.  Fish, Skins, Cards and Ravens all start with a better hand than us.  If Beane outbids them, then the little dude with the crappy tude will have to be damn near perfect to justify it.

[wagon127]

I don't want a QB in 2019. If we don't get a Quarterback in 2018, I am very curious to find out what the bills did instead. I will worry about the 2019 draft, if the 2018 draft comes and goes without a single QB taken with any of our picks.

[GunnerBill]

7 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said:

But the Bills simply may not have the ability to get that high.

 

If Cleveland loves a QB then one down.  The Giants either are going QB....2 down, or Barkley.  They are not moving to 21.  Berkeley doesn't get past Cle at 4.  Could the Colts be a target?  Maybe.  But they can also get value from the Jets or Broncoes very easily and move a few spots....not 17 spots.  So there are at least two gone before we have ANY shot at all.  I'll assume Cousins is on either NYJ or DEN so QB3 could last until 7.  

 

Tampa is in a goodbye spot to sell to the highest bidder.  Fish, Skins, Cards and Ravens all start with a better hand than us.  If Beane outbids them, then the little dude with the crappy tude will have to be damn near perfect to justify it.

 

No they don't.  

 

I don't think the Giants are going to go QB, I think the Colts would love 2 first round picks this year and I think Cleveland would take a good offer and move from 4 too.  All in all I think picks 2, 3 and 4 are all attainable and while the price may be expensive the Bills have two free picks (a 1st and a 2nd this year) that gives them a head start on any offer.  

[Blokestradamus]

3 hours ago, FeelingOnYouboty said:

Only QB I like next year is Jarret Stidham and the N Dakota St kid but neither are as good as Rosen, Mayfield, Darnold or Jackson

 

Not gonne lie, I really want to draft Easton Stick. Just for the name.

[4merper4mer]

5 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

No they don't.  

 

I don't think the Giants are going to go QB, I think the Colts would love 2 first round picks this year and I think Cleveland would take a good offer and move from 4 too.  All in all I think picks 2, 3 and 4 are all attainable and while the price may be expensive the Bills have two free picks (a 1st and a 2nd this year) that gives them a head start on any offer.  

That's fantasy land.  I'm sorry but it simply is not the case.  No way does Indy move down 18 spots when they could move 2 or 3 and have a trading partner who will likely be starting a rookie QB for a team that was bad in 2017.  That has 2019 top 5 overall written all over it.  We are simply in a position where we'd have to WAY overpay for QB3.  If we do it, we do it.  I'm just saying we had better get it right.  We aren't getting the first or 2nd QB from the board.  Zero chance.

9 minutes ago, Blokestradamus said:

 

Not gonne lie, I really want to draft Easton Stick. Just for the name.

His parents clearly wanted him to play baseball.  

[Blokestradamus]

2 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said:

His parents clearly wanted him to play baseball.  

 

His dad played baseball at Creighton and for the Cubs.

[RyanC883]

OP: thanks for the in-depth analysis. 

 

Here is the cliff note version: (1) we should get QB this year; (2) but if we can't (teams won't trade with us, QB run before our pick) who should we get next year?  

[BillsMafia13]

5 hours ago, FeelingOnYouboty said:

 

I'm glad Beane and McDermott aren't as patient as these Bills fans who've been waiting for a QB for 23 years. It's insane the level of patience these people have lol

 You have no idea what McBeane plans on doing.  Our QBs are still Tyrod and NP so I would re-evaluate if I were you

[Zerovoltz]

On 3/4/2018 at 9:39 PM, Zerovotlz said:

With the situation at this point still being so fluid, none of us really know who is going to end up where.  We do know that as of today, the Bills are at 21/22, and that's all we really know.  We don't know if they will be compelled to trade up, or if someone is willing to trade back, or if the guy they want, if they like one of them, will even be there.  There are several teams in the "Franchise QB" market even as there are plenty of journeyman types out there, and Kirk Cousins who will be someones franchise QB soon enough.  

 

What if the Bills simply can't get the guy they want went the dust settles?  It might not even be due to lack of interest or lack of trying...just being in the position they are in could simply mean they lose by default this go round.  

 

In 2019, should the Bills be in the market again, let's consider who else could be in that market.  Let me speculate about 2018 first.  

 

Cleveland is going to end up with a QB one way or another in this draft.

 

The Giants MIGHT take one, or trade out.  I am going to call it now that they DO NOT take one in round 1 this year.

 

The Colts shouldn't be in the QB market now, but I can't 100% call that until Luck throws some passes.  Reports are that he won't need another shoulder surgery, but he still hasn't thrown.  For the sake of this post, I'll assume he is healthy.  No QB now, No QB next year.

 

Denver-  is a real wild card here.  I don't think they are going to be able to sell Cousins on winning now in Denver, nor will they make the highest offer.  I'd say they lose out on Cousins, but sign BRADFORD.  (could be Keenum...half a dozen of one, 6 of the other ...whatever)  They could still take one to develope, but that would be counter to trying to win now.  The coaching staff is being given THIS YEAR, the roster window is basically THIS YEAR.  They have holes to fill THIS YEAR.  Elway may not have the green light to go QB after missing on Oswieler and Lynch...They may be inclined to wait until next year just because of where they are with their roster.  Taking the QB now, with the coaching staff you are going to fire if they don't win now, is poor form.  Lynch is still on the roster and while they may have determined he sucks....the situation almost demands he get one more shot before they tear down the whole  thing...the roster, the staff..maybe even Elway himself.  It seems like the timing is all off for Denver to be drafting one high.  The one caveat being Josh Allen.  If Denver can get him, I think that is who Elway loves and would be willing to go up and get him if they can make a deal to get to 1.  I am going to say, in the end, Cleveland keeps the 1 and takes Josh Allen.

 

Jets- This is another team that will end up with a QB be it Cousins or a draft pick.  I am going to say that I think the Vikings are the leader in the clubhouse for Cousins.  Cousins can get paid there, have a stable front office and roster, and coaching staff all there.  The jets roster and staff or in limbo.  So for 2018....Allen goes 1.  Giants go Barkley.  Colts go Chubb.  Cleveland could look to trade back at 4, but dont' and go Minka Fitzpatrick.  Denver again is the trade up wildcard here.  If Bufalo likes Rosen, Mayfield, Darnold, they will need to be on the phone.  I think the Jets will possibly pay a price just to move up to 3,4 or 5 and go with Mayfield.  If not, Arizona will be hot on the phone to get up here for one of those 3.  i don't know who arizona likes out of that grouping.  I do think the Jets love Mayfield...either they have to go up a few spots to get him, or they get word that Arizona is coming up for Rosen or Darnold and stay put.  Either way, the Jets are going to be Baker Mayfields new team.

 

Assuming Arizona has traded up at this point, and the Jets have taken Mayfield....then it gets interesting for the trade up teams because that means Darnold, Jackson, and Rudolph are still on the board and the next several teams aren't in the QB market.  

 

If this plays out as I have it here, you are looking at dark horse teams who might be interested in moving up to grab Darnold.  Miami could suddenly find itself interested in going QB.  Cincy could consider going QB as they will have lost MacCaron.  the Saints could be interested in finding Drew Brees replacement, and the Chargers might be looking at Phillip Rivers successor.  All but New Orleans is currently ahead of the Bills....but at this point, the Bills draft Ammo is more than sufficient to get up there...the problem is, do they like Darnold, Rudolph or Jackson?

 

Since this is about looking ahead to 2019, I will assume ONE of those teams trades up or stays put and lands Darnold.  Then it becomes a two horse show.  Does Buffalo like Rudolph or Jackson enough to move up if they feel they need to?  Do they stay put and see if one of them makes it to them?  Do they even want either of those two?  for the sake of argument, lets say that they DO NOT go QB for whatever reason at this point.....you are looking at QB again in 2019....so what does that look like?

 

First lets examine who might be in the QB market.

 

Chargers if they don't get Rivers successor this year

Saints if they don't get Brees successor this year

Steelers if they think Ben is considering retiring

Bengals if they are tired of Dalton and don't get a replacement this year.

Oakland if Gruden decides Carr can't be redeemed.  

Tampa if they sour on Winston

Tennesee if they sour on Mariotta.

Miami if Tannehill can't stay healthy and they didn't draft a round 1 guy this year.

Denver if the whole thing comes crashing down.

 

All of these teams aren't certain to be in the QB market....a lot of things would have to play out to have any of them shopping for one.  Let's go with Cincy being finished with Andy Dalton, being the actual main threat to draft one high.  The Chargers, Saints and probalby Oakland will have a good record so will be drafting late even if they are looking QB.  Miami won't be in the market if Tannehill is healthy and puts up Top 15 numbers...that's a reasonable expectation.  

Tennessee might be growing a bit tired of Mariotta, but I don't think they give up on him yet.  Same with Tampa and Winston...and Winston has at least had some big stats here and there.

 

that means really there might be 2-3 teams really in the "draft a franchise QB" mode to compete with the Bills.

 

Next years Class does not look strong as of now...it could change....but Drew Lock as the top of the class next year would make me consider what's out there in 2018 pretty hard.  I am a Missouri Fan, and I love Drew Lock as my Tigers QB....I don't think I'd want him leading my NFL team.  

 

So, summing it up.....Even though there would seem to be fewer NFL teams with a need in the 2019 draft for a QB, and that the Bills might be better positioned in that draft to get one, the class seems pretty weak at least this far out.  You'd be kicking that can another year down the road for likely an even less appealing option than this year.

 

In conclusion.  Now is the time to make it happen.  Good luck.

 

.....going to strain my forearm patting myself on the back.

[Zerovoltz]

On 3/4/2018 at 9:39 PM, Zerovotlz said:

With the situation at this point still being so fluid, none of us really know who is going to end up where.  We do know that as of today, the Bills are at 21/22, and that's all we really know.  We don't know if they will be compelled to trade up, or if someone is willing to trade back, or if the guy they want, if they like one of them, will even be there.  There are several teams in the "Franchise QB" market even as there are plenty of journeyman types out there, and Kirk Cousins who will be someones franchise QB soon enough.  

 

What if the Bills simply can't get the guy they want went the dust settles?  It might not even be due to lack of interest or lack of trying...just being in the position they are in could simply mean they lose by default this go round.  

 

In 2019, should the Bills be in the market again, let's consider who else could be in that market.  Let me speculate about 2018 first.  

 

Cleveland is going to end up with a QB one way or another in this draft.

 

The Giants MIGHT take one, or trade out.  I am going to call it now that they DO NOT take one in round 1 this year.

 

The Colts shouldn't be in the QB market now, but I can't 100% call that until Luck throws some passes.  Reports are that he won't need another shoulder surgery, but he still hasn't thrown.  For the sake of this post, I'll assume he is healthy.  No QB now, No QB next year.

 

Denver-  is a real wild card here.  I don't think they are going to be able to sell Cousins on winning now in Denver, nor will they make the highest offer.  I'd say they lose out on Cousins, but sign BRADFORD.  (could be Keenum...half a dozen of one, 6 of the other ...whatever)  They could still take one to develope, but that would be counter to trying to win now.  The coaching staff is being given THIS YEAR, the roster window is basically THIS YEAR.  They have holes to fill THIS YEAR.  Elway may not have the green light to go QB after missing on Oswieler and Lynch...They may be inclined to wait until next year just because of where they are with their roster.  Taking the QB now, with the coaching staff you are going to fire if they don't win now, is poor form.  Lynch is still on the roster and while they may have determined he sucks....the situation almost demands he get one more shot before they tear down the whole  thing...the roster, the staff..maybe even Elway himself.  It seems like the timing is all off for Denver to be drafting one high.  The one caveat being Josh Allen.  If Denver can get him, I think that is who Elway loves and would be willing to go up and get him if they can make a deal to get to 1.  I am going to say, in the end, Cleveland keeps the 1 and takes Josh Allen.

 

Jets- This is another team that will end up with a QB be it Cousins or a draft pick.  I am going to say that I think the Vikings are the leader in the clubhouse for Cousins.  Cousins can get paid there, have a stable front office and roster, and coaching staff all there.  The jets roster and staff or in limbo.  So for 2018....Allen goes 1.  Giants go Barkley.  Colts go Chubb.  Cleveland could look to trade back at 4, but dont' and go Minka Fitzpatrick.  Denver again is the trade up wildcard here.  If Bufalo likes Rosen, Mayfield, Darnold, they will need to be on the phone.  I think the Jets will probabbly pay a price just to move up to 3,4 or 5 and go with Mayfield.  If not, Arizona will be hot on the phone to get up here for one of those 3.  i don't know who arizona likes out of that grouping.  I do think the Jets love Mayfield...either they have to go up a few spots to get him, or they get word that Arizona is coming up for Rosen or Darnold and stay put.  Either way, the Jets are going to be Baker Mayfields new team.

 

Assuming Arizona has traded up at this point, and the Jets have taken Mayfield....then it gets interesting for the trade up teams because that means Darnold, Jackson, and Rudolph are still on the board and the next several teams aren't in the QB market.  

 

If this plays out as I have it here, you are looking at dark horse teams who might be interested in moving up to grab Darnold.  Miami could suddenly find itself interested in going QB.  Cincy could consider going QB as they will have lost MacCaron.  the Saints could be interested in finding Drew Brees replacement, and the Chargers might be looking at Phillip Rivers successor.  All but New Orleans is currently ahead of the Bills....but at this point, the Bills draft Ammo is more than sufficient to get up there...the problem is, do they like Darnold, Rudolph or Jackson?

 

Since this is about looking ahead to 2019, I will assume ONE of those teams trades up or stays put and lands Darnold.  Then it becomes a two horse show.  Does Buffalo like Rudolph or Jackson enough to move up if they feel they need to?  Do they stay put and see if one of them makes it to them?  Do they even want either of those two?  for the sake of argument, lets say that they DO NOT go QB for whatever reason at this point.....you are looking at QB again in 2019....so what does that look like?

 

First lets examine who might be in the QB market.

 

Chargers if they don't get Rivers successor this year

Saints if they don't get Brees successor this year

Steelers if they think Ben is considering retiring

Bengals if they are tired of Dalton and don't get a replacement this year.

Oakland if Gruden decides Carr can't be redeemed.  

Tampa if they sour on Winston

Tennesee if they sour on Mariotta.

Miami if Tannehill can't stay healthy and they didn't draft a round 1 guy this year.

Denver if the whole thing comes crashing down.

 

All of these teams aren't certain to be in the QB market....a lot of things would have to play out to have any of them shopping for one.  Let's go with Cincy being finished with Andy Dalton, being the actual main threat to draft one high.  The Chargers, Saints and probalby Oakland will have a good record so will be drafting late even if they are looking QB.  Miami won't be in the market if Tannehill is healthy and puts up Top 15 numbers...that's a reasonable expectation.  

Tennessee might be growing a bit tired of Mariotta, but I don't think they give up on him yet.  Same with Tampa and Winston...and Winston has at least had some big stats here and there.

 

that means really there might be 2-3 teams really in the "draft a franchise QB" mode to compete with the Bills.

 

Next years Class does not look strong as of now...it could change....but Drew Lock as the top of the class next year would make me consider what's out there in 2018 pretty hard.  I am a Missouri Fan, and I love Drew Lock as my Tigers QB....I don't think I'd want him leading my NFL team.  

 

So, summing it up.....Even though there would seem to be fewer NFL teams with a need in the 2019 draft for a QB, and that the Bills might be better positioned in that draft to get one, the class seems pretty weak at least this far out.  You'd be kicking that can another year down the road for likely an even less appealing option than this year.

 

In conclusion.  Now is the time to make it happen.  Good luck.

 

....called it.

[wppete]

[Beast]

On 3/5/2018 at 6:46 AM, T-Bomb said:

What if Beane can't find a trading partner? Is that his failure?

 

I think so. 

[par73]

On ‎3‎/‎4‎/‎2018 at 10:50 PM, Virgil said:

You never know what teams will need a QB next year. Brees and Brady could retire, someone could get hurt. 

 

You have to strike when you can 

They could have struck last year, but gave way to KC.