FeelingOnYouboty Posted March 5, 2018 Posted March 5, 2018 The two biggest skills a great QB needs is accuracy and anticipation. He has neither. He gets away with lack of anticipation because he has such a great arm but this kid is a year away from being a year away. 2
OldTimer1960 Posted March 5, 2018 Posted March 5, 2018 7 hours ago, CajunBillsBacker said: First we’ve got to understand that all the QB’s in the draft have issues. So basically it’s pick your poison and hope for the best. I was reading the draft profiles for Rodgers and Brees yesterday, and both were underwhelming. Brees slipped to the 2nd, and Rodgers fell to the bottom of the 1st. Both will be first ballot HOF’ers. Post combine, I still have Allen as my #2 QB behind Rosen. If you look at 2 things that he had at Wyoming that will be light years better in the NFL. Receivers, and coaching. He will get the level of coaching in the NFL that Wyoming couldn’t touch. I bet half of the coaches in the league have already looked at his mechanics and spotted something that will help his accuracy. That’s just what experienced NFL level coaching does. I think that having a decent OL will also help his accuracy. In the games I’ve seen, many of his throws were on the run due to defensive pressure
MrEpsYtown Posted March 5, 2018 Posted March 5, 2018 1 hour ago, BeefCurtns said: I'll probably be wrong but I am willing to bet the Bills stay put at 21 and 22 and take d line ( maybe Harrison Barnes) and a LB ( insert favorite here) we don't see a QB until round 2. Just my gut feeling. While I certainly think that is a possibility, I do think Terry Pegula and everyone else involved want an elite prospect at quarterback. It's why they did the trade last year, to get ammo to possibly move up for a quarterback this year. A round 2 quarterback like Rudolph or the guy from Richmond just isn't getting it done. If you don't trade up, I think you pass on quarterback this year.
BillnutinHouston Posted March 5, 2018 Posted March 5, 2018 I think it would be irresponsible to move up several spots for such a risky prospect. If they're gonna give up a ton, I believe it will be for a more sure think like Darnold or Rosen.
K D Posted March 5, 2018 Posted March 5, 2018 1 hour ago, FeelingOnYouboty said: The two biggest skills a great QB needs is accuracy and anticipation. He has neither. He gets away with lack of anticipation because he has such a great arm but this kid is a year away from being a year away. His big arm has actually been a detriment to his development because like you said he can get away with most things that other QB's can't. There's been no need for him to work on it because he can throw late and still complete the pass by zipping it in there against bad competition. We saw in the Iowa game against better defenders that he wasn't getting away with that stuff. He threw late and got picked off twice. And that's against players that won't even make it to the NFL. The jump from Wyoming to the NFL is going to be drastic and he has a lot of things to fine tune before he's ready. If the Bills do draft him then I don't want to see him on the field in 2018. But you know how that goes. 1 bad game with whatever crap veteran QB we get and the fans will be going nuts for Allen to play
FeelingOnYouboty Posted March 5, 2018 Posted March 5, 2018 3 minutes ago, kdiggz said: His big arm has actually been a detriment to his development because like you said he can get away with most things that other QB's can't. There's been no need for him to work on it because he can throw late and still complete the pass by zipping it in there against bad competition. We saw in the Iowa game against better defenders that he wasn't getting away with that stuff. He threw late and got picked off twice. And that's against players that won't even make it to the NFL. The jump from Wyoming to the NFL is going to be drastic and he has a lot of things to fine tune before he's ready. If the Bills do draft him then I don't want to see him on the field in 2018. But you know how that goes. 1 bad game with whatever crap veteran QB we get and the fans will be going nuts for Allen to play I really like the kid and I hope he sticks because this league needs talented QB's but he needs to go to a place like NYG where they have good developmental coaches like Shurmer. I kinda wanted him to go back for another year and transfer to Michigan and work with Harbaugh.
ddaryl Posted March 5, 2018 Posted March 5, 2018 The Combine is no reason to move Allen up on the draft board. His game tape tells the tale.. Anyone who drafts Allen in the 1st is making a mistake.
Mr. WEO Posted March 5, 2018 Posted March 5, 2018 12 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Considering that Wentz had a completion percentage well over 60% for 2 years, if they said he was "abysmally inaccurate" well, people can say anything People smitten by Allen-love say his WR dropped a lot of balls, but the published drop statistics say he actually suffered less drops than the other QB (6-7%) vs Rosen (11%) or Jackson (12%) So did Peyton Manning and he's a first ballot HOFer... 1
The Now Moment Posted March 5, 2018 Posted March 5, 2018 (edited) Did anyone watch the games? Anyone? I watched several games this year. His receivers dropped some passes but his offensive line was atrocious. He had constant pressure and was forced out of the pocket a lot. He had to throw the ball away more than any other QB in this class. He didn't have one of the top tackles in their class protecting him like Rosen and Mayfield did. His receivers also couldn't get open to save their lives. No separation whatsoever. His running game this year was terrible. He was the team. He did everything. His completion percentage is a direct result of the lack of talent around him. There's no question he needs to improve his accuracy, as does every QB in this class. Allen could use a year on the bench to learn and it could help his talents translate to the NFL. Stop looking at just stats. Stats don't tell the whole story. But that's what this day and age is all about isn't it? Stats stats stats stats stats stats stats Edited March 5, 2018 by Buffalo30
aristocrat Posted March 5, 2018 Posted March 5, 2018 7 minutes ago, Buffalo30 said: Did anyone watch the games? Anyone? I watched several games this year. His receivers dropped some passes but his offensive line was atrocious. He had constant pressure and was forced out of the pocket a lot. He had to throw the ball away more than any other QB in this class. He didn't have one of the top tackles in their class protecting him like Rosen and Mayfield did. His receivers also couldn't get open to save their lives. No separation whatsoever. His running game this year was terrible. He was the team. He did everything. His completion percentage is a direct result of the lack of talent around him. There's no question he needs to improve his accuracy, as does every QB in this class. Allen could use a year on the bench to learn and it could help his talents translate to the NFL. Stop looking at just stats. Stats don't tell the whole story. But that's what this day and age is all about isn't it? Stats stats stats stats stats stats stats His wrs only had 12 drops where lamars had 34
GunnerBill Posted March 5, 2018 Posted March 5, 2018 8 minutes ago, Buffalo30 said: Did anyone watch the games? Anyone? I watched several games this year. His receivers dropped some passes but his offensive line was atrocious. He had constant pressure and was forced out of the pocket a lot. He had to throw the ball away more than any other QB in this class. He didn't have one of the top tackles in their class protecting him like Rosen and Mayfield did. His receivers also couldn't get open to save their lives. No separation whatsoever. His running game this year was terrible. He was the team. He did everything. His completion percentage is a direct result of the lack of talent around him. There's no question he needs to improve his accuracy, as does every QB in this class. Allen could use a year on the bench to learn and it could help his talents translate to the NFL. Stop looking at just stats. Stats don't tell the whole story. But that's what this day and age is all about isn't it? Stats stats stats stats stats stats stats I have watched 7 games. 4 from 2017 and 3 from 2016. Overall I think the 2016 tape is a little better and that probably follows that his team was more talented around him that season. I just think he is more than a bit inaccurate. His accuracy frightens me. There are balls that end up 3 and 4 feet wide of their intended target. It also has to be a concern that in 2017 his games against schools from power 5 conferences he face planted. If he had played well in those games I certainly would be higher than I am. I think the chances Allen becomes a successful NFL Quarterback are low. Not non-existent, but low. 1
corta765 Posted March 5, 2018 Posted March 5, 2018 Guy was sub 60% completion percentage. Virtually no QB has ever succeeded with that and his footwork is hot garbage. I would be very mad if they draft him
The Now Moment Posted March 5, 2018 Posted March 5, 2018 26 minutes ago, aristocrat said: His wrs only had 12 drops where lamars had 34 I didn't say they had a lot of drops. I said some. I focused more on the lack of protection and the wrs inability to get open.
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted March 5, 2018 Posted March 5, 2018 Allen and Jackson both scream BUST when I see them, and when I hear about what people say about them. Just say NO.
The Now Moment Posted March 5, 2018 Posted March 5, 2018 (edited) 22 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: I have watched 7 games. 4 from 2017 and 3 from 2016. Overall I think the 2016 tape is a little better and that probably follows that his team was more talented around him that season. I just think he is more than a bit inaccurate. His accuracy frightens me. There are balls that end up 3 and 4 feet wide of their intended target. It also has to be a concern that in 2017 his games against schools from power 5 conferences he face planted. If he had played well in those games I certainly would be higher than I am. I think the chances Allen becomes a successful NFL Quarterback are low. Not non-existent, but low. He needs to go to the right situation. One where he can sit and learn for a year and will have talents around him but he can certainly get better with his accuracy. Why can he not improve in that area? He was forced to make a lot of passes on the run instead of with his feet planted. With better protection, I think his accuracy concerns will be a thing of the past. He just needs time to learn in the NFL and I think he will be fine. 3 minutes ago, joesixpack said: Allen and Jackson both scream BUST when I see them, and when I hear about what people say about them. Just say NO. What about Darnold? He had one of the highest turnover rates of any QB in college football this year? Rosen's completion percentage wasn't that good either in his career and Rudolph averaged around a 50 percent completion rate against ranked opponents. Every QB in this class has concerning stats. Every last one of them. Edited March 5, 2018 by Buffalo30
GunnerBill Posted March 5, 2018 Posted March 5, 2018 4 minutes ago, Buffalo30 said: He needs to go to the right situation. One where he can sit and learn for a year and will have talents around him but he can certainly get better with his accuracy. Why can he not improve in that area? He was forced to make a lot of passes on the run instead of with his feet planted. With better protection, I think his accuracy concerns will be a thing of the past. He just needs time to learn in the NFL and I think he will be fine. Unless it is purely a simple mechanical fix - and of course it might be with Allen but that isn't what I see when I watch him - then I generally don't think players generally improve accuracy. His protection was not great, I agree with that, but I don't think all of his inaccurate throws are a result of pressure.
Royale with Cheese Posted March 5, 2018 Posted March 5, 2018 If Allen's name is announced as the Bills pick, I will feel like I've been gut punched by Deontay Wilder.
The Now Moment Posted March 5, 2018 Posted March 5, 2018 Just now, GunnerBill said: Unless it is purely a simple mechanical fix - and of course it might be with Allen but that isn't what I see when I watch him - then I generally don't think players generally improve accuracy. His protection was not great, I agree with that, but I don't think all of his inaccurate throws are a result of pressure. All of these QBs need to improve. All of them have problems in their games that they need to fix and get better at and Allen is no different. He just has the highest ceiling of all of them IMO. I hope whoever drafts him allows him to sit and learn. These other QBs have accuracy issues too, it's not just Allen. I think he will be fine and people are just overreacting to stats because that's what this day and age is all about...overreacting to stats.
Nihilarian Posted March 5, 2018 Posted March 5, 2018 11 hours ago, billieve420 said: Allen is going to need to sit for 2-3 yrs and you need a veteran like Keenum to hold things down until he is ready. I think wherever Allen ends up team should look to pair him with Keenum. Keenum gets his money 3-4 yr deal while Allen gets to sit back and learn. Two, three years...really? Where do you guys get this stuff? I can see a team delaying from starting him on opening day so he can fully learn the offense and scheme while getting his NFL timing down due to the speed of the NFL. However, I could also see a team starting him right away depending on how quickly he picks things up. The kid played in a pro-style offense at Wyoming which means he is experienced under center. He has good footwork and a very efficient release and he puts a lot of velocity on the ball. 11 hours ago, Turk71 said: Now consider this , against power 5 opp. the last 2 years Date Opponent Pass Completion Passing Yards Touchdowns Interceptions Sept. 16 2017 Oregon 9-of-24 64 0 1 Sept. 2 2017 Iowa 23-of-40 174 0 2 Sept. 10 2016 Nebraska 16-of-32 189 1 5 48 of 96 for 436 yds. 1 td and 8 int. in his only 3 games against power 5 competition. None of those teams were top teams those years. Didn't have great numbers the last two seasons but that may be more due to the talent he was working with than any comment on his ability. The difference between Josh Allen and Sam Darnold was the talent surrounding both players. Allen had very little talent and carried the entire offense on his shoulders. How many players will the NFL see this year coming out of Wyoming besides Allen...exactly! From USC besides Darnold the fumbler, three. Although ten USC underclassman were seeking NFL draft evaluations this year. The talent, the coaches, the schemes on the teams surrounding USC, UCLA and big school QBs enables them to put up such great numbers while having great success in college. Let me ask this. How many of those greatly talented USC QB's have achieved great success in the NFL?
BigBuff423 Posted March 5, 2018 Posted March 5, 2018 53 minutes ago, Buffalo30 said: Did anyone watch the games? Anyone? I watched several games this year. His receivers dropped some passes but his offensive line was atrocious. He had constant pressure and was forced out of the pocket a lot. He had to throw the ball away more than any other QB in this class. He didn't have one of the top tackles in their class protecting him like Rosen and Mayfield did. His receivers also couldn't get open to save their lives. No separation whatsoever. His running game this year was terrible. He was the team. He did everything. His completion percentage is a direct result of the lack of talent around him. There's no question he needs to improve his accuracy, as does every QB in this class. Allen could use a year on the bench to learn and it could help his talents translate to the NFL. Stop looking at just stats. Stats don't tell the whole story. But that's what this day and age is all about isn't it? Stats stats stats stats stats stats stats So, you're saying he's perfect for Buffalo....
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