BuffaloBillyG Posted March 3, 2018 Posted March 3, 2018 3 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: No way for me. His game looks like it has reached a plateau that isn't very impressive. He's just okay to my eye and that doesn't translate to a 1st round slection. I get the same vibe from him as a QB as I got from Christian Ponder in a sense that they are both unspectacular prospects that will be drafted too high because of the position they play. 2 minutes ago, freester said: Many draft pundits compare him to Bryce Petty who came from a similar offense. I've seen that, I kind of get the comparison but I actually though when he came out Petty has a slightly higher ceiling had he gone to a team with a solid offensive coaching staff. 2
Augie Posted March 3, 2018 Posted March 3, 2018 41 minutes ago, Sharp1128 said: Fixed it for you Augie, now you can take it seriously! YAY! I’m just kidding, btw. Never a basher.
NewEra Posted March 3, 2018 Posted March 3, 2018 38 minutes ago, NewDayBills said: I understand that, but he is malleable, he can throw the ball. Allen and Jackson both have accuracy issues, but they get a free pass. Rudolph is one of the most accurate throwers in the draft and he is smart, he knows where to go with the ball. Allen and Jackson have big arms, but they don't know where to go with the ball. Rudolph is very accurate and smart, while he won't wow you away with arm talent, he can get it there. He said smart because he gets the ball and throws to the first option as fast as he can? I don’t see smart. Once he sees his first option isn’t there......the trouble begins. He’s pretty good at staying the the pocket and taking hits though. I’ll give him credit for hanging in the pocket and for throwing a high arcing, catchable deep ball. I guess my biggest problem with the guy is that he’s not good at making plays outside of the pocket......while not being very effective going through progressions. So what happens when the first read is taken away (and it will happen to him at a MUCH higher rate in the nfl than it did playing vs Big 12 defenses). To me, that screams “product of a system”. First read not there, chance of success is limited with the ball in his hands. And he had 2 NFL WRs he was throwing to in college. Our WRs are among the worst in the league, if not THE worst. I’d rather have TT.
K D Posted March 3, 2018 Posted March 3, 2018 Tiny Trump hands, below average arm, not mobile, comes from bs college offense where he just throws bombs to wide open receivers. He's a 2nd-3rd round pick, too many questions marks. Someone will be dumb enough to pick him late 1st early 2nd
Solomon Grundy Posted March 3, 2018 Posted March 3, 2018 32 minutes ago, kdiggz said: Tiny Trump hands, below average arm, not mobile, comes from bs college offense where he just throws bombs to wide open receivers. He's a 2nd-3rd round pick, too many questions marks. Someone will be dumb enough to pick him late 1st early 2nd ANY comparisons to Trump is a definitive NO!!
BigBuff423 Posted March 3, 2018 Posted March 3, 2018 1 hour ago, 26CornerBlitz said: He's okay, but he's last among the so called big six that most are talking about these days. I believe he greatly benefited from the talent surrounding him as well as from weaker defenses in the Big 12. Hasn't really grown his game while at Oklahoma State. Obviously everyone is entitled to their opinion, but the statement here is just factually inaccurate. In fact it’s one of the things I’m drawn to about him. His yards, completion %, TDs, all went up year over year while his INTs remained static. He he won the Johnny Unitas award this year over Baker Mayfield and those who say he doesn’t have a strong arm are missing something. He does not have an elite arm, but watch his video and you’ll see long bomb throws and some tight window throws, and if you watch opposite hash to boundary throws, not all of them good admittedly, but they’re there. And, arm strength within reason can be modestly improved and is certainly nowhere near the most important trait.
McBean Posted March 3, 2018 Posted March 3, 2018 I love Rudolph. Have him as QB #2 out of the 6 only behind Rosen. 2
Zerovoltz Posted March 3, 2018 Posted March 3, 2018 I'm on record in other threads here saying the same thing, but this is the guy that is going to have draft day stock go up. ....he's prototypical size...lots of reps...good arm...well spoken and articulate speaker....looks and sounds the part....Not comparing from a physical talent perspective, but that guy sounds JUST LIKE TRENT GREEN. This guy has more physical gifts than Green had....Green had to max out his brain to get the most out of his limited tools...and he did it....The guy sounds like he could confidently command a huddle. ....This is the guy I am predicting will be the ultimate winner out of this draft class. Allen will bust. ....I am on the fence about Jackson but heard his interviews today, and all I could think of listening to him speak was Geno Smith. .....anyhow.....Here is your target Bufallo. You missed Mahomes, but you can totally redeem the day, and WIN the KC trade by getting the franchise QB in this draft (because it will have paid off for you to get the high end CB AND the draft capital) *Prediction* Rudolph goes in top 10. Buffalo will need to get up there.....and they have the ammo. 1
Dkollidas Posted March 3, 2018 Posted March 3, 2018 I like him a lot for two reasons; 1. His floor seems a lot higher than those of the other top-6 QB’s. His upside may be limited but I think he’ll be comparable to Cousins in terms of how his career goes, i.e. solid but unspectacular, a top 15QB but not a top 10QB 2. Of all the flaws of all the QB’s, his seem the least concerning. A. His arm isn’t strong enough: Answer: but he has enough to make all the throws (and is especially good with the deep ball). B. He plays in a spread against the Big12: Answer: Many people don’t realize Darnold was also playing a lot of spread & RPO this year. Mayfield as well, and also against Big12 defenses. Rosen and Allen played more pro-style. But the league is moving far more towards the spread and using RPO’s anyways. Meanwhile: Rosen- “Attitude” questions, and moreso, injury questions. He’s had multiple injuries and multiple concussions at UCLA. Darnold- Weird delivery. Small hands (by itself not always an issue). Led the nation in fumbles (AND that’s what makes it an issue). Prone to interceptions as well. Mayfield- Attitude could cause him to implode. Height is a concern. Not only that, his height causes restrictions on the type of offense that can be run. Developing the correct throwing lanes is vital with a guy his height, and therefore a play-action pro-style offense will likely be key, from a guy who hasn’t taken snaps from center. Allen- The inaccuracy is scary. That’s all I’ll say. He’s got the rocket but no touch. Jackson- I worry that he’s going to get injured. For such An amazing athlete, he’s incredibly lanky and I could see him getting injured early on in his career. Also the fact that I believe his play making ability, while an amazing asset, will always cause him to bail on plays too quickly and look to run. People want to compare him to Bryce Petty? I don’t see it. His throwing motion is better, he’s more accurate, his arm is stronger and he has a quicker release. He also seems to have the right attitude to lead a team, and that’s huge. Also, I think he’s probably right with Mayfield for being the most accurate short to intermediate passer. Along with the fact that I think he has the most accurate deep ball. If the price to move move up is too costly (and in my opinion it likely will be), I’d stay at 21 and take Rudolph. Put him in a competition with a veteran for a year (McCown? Bridgewater? Bradford? Keenum? Chase Daniel? Matt Moore? Derek Anderson?) and let him take the job when he’s learned a bit. 4
transplantbillsfan Posted March 3, 2018 Posted March 3, 2018 As our season ended and my attention had recently shifted to college ball, for me I wanted 3 QBs: Mayfield Darnold Rudolph ... Now he's probably 5th with Jackson and Rosen leapfrogging him.
26CornerBlitz Posted March 3, 2018 Posted March 3, 2018 (edited) 7 hours ago, BigBuff423 said: Obviously everyone is entitled to their opinion, but the statement here is just factually inaccurate. In fact it’s one of the things I’m drawn to about him. His yards, completion %, TDs, all went up year over year while his INTs remained static. He he won the Johnny Unitas award this year over Baker Mayfield and those who say he doesn’t have a strong arm are missing something. He does not have an elite arm, but watch his video and you’ll see long bomb throws and some tight window throws, and if you watch opposite hash to boundary throws, not all of them good admittedly, but they’re there. And, arm strength within reason can be modestly improved and is certainly nowhere near the most important trait. You're talking numbers while I'm referring to him being the same QB in terms of skill set and I couldn't care less about him winning the Unitas award that means nothing regrading his potential as an NFL QB. Edited March 3, 2018 by 26CornerBlitz
OldTimer1960 Posted March 3, 2018 Posted March 3, 2018 9 hours ago, Sharp1128 said: I think he wouldn't make it past the Pats in all honesty. I am excited to see him at the combine tomorrow in comparison to the big 4 qbs, how does he stack up? There is always someone that becomes a riser after the combine, you may have to take him at 21 if he has a good performance and pro day. If they want Rudolph, I think that they will have to either take him in the 1st or would have to trade up in the 2nd. I don't think they can expect him to be available at pick 53.
thenorthremembers Posted March 3, 2018 Posted March 3, 2018 I think the Petty comparisons are off. Rudolph has a season more of starts under his belt and was more productive. Id love to have Rudolph, checks all the boxes just hasnt been as tauted by the media as the other five guys. One of only two guys in the top 5 or 6 that meets the Parcells critera. Very impressive Manning like interview there. 1
Green Lightning Posted March 3, 2018 Posted March 3, 2018 9 hours ago, NewDayBills said: I understand that, but he is malleable, he can throw the ball. Allen and Jackson both have accuracy issues, but they get a free pass. Rudolph is one of the most accurate throwers in the draft and he is smart, he knows where to go with the ball. Allen and Jackson have big arms, but they don't know where to go with the ball. Rudolph is very accurate and smart, while he won't wow you away with arm talent, he can get it there. Not a lot of arm talent. I just don't see him being anything more than a middling starter or backup. Let's not settle, let's go after one of the top four.
Ittakestime Posted March 3, 2018 Posted March 3, 2018 He would be a wasted pick. He will not be a great QB in NFL. He lacks way too much 1
SouthNYfan Posted March 3, 2018 Posted March 3, 2018 7 hours ago, McBean said: I love Rudolph. Have him as QB #2 out of the 6 only behind Rosen. On what basis??
BigBuff423 Posted March 3, 2018 Posted March 3, 2018 3 hours ago, 26CornerBlitz said: You're talking numbers while I'm referring to him being the same QB in terms of skill set and I couldn't care less about him winning the Unitas award that means nothing regrading his potential as an NFL QB. Fair enough that you don’t believe his skill set translates to the NFL. But consider some of the previous of Unitas award winners: 1. Peyton Manning 2. Carson Palmer 3. Eli Manning 4. Matt Ryan 5. Andrew Luck 6. Deshaun Watson So it’s no guarantee at all, but to dismiss it out of hand seems myopic as well. 1
26CornerBlitz Posted March 3, 2018 Posted March 3, 2018 2 minutes ago, BigBuff423 said: Fair enough that you don’t believe his skill set translates to the NFL. But consider some of the previous of Unitas award winners: 1. Peyton Manning 2. Carson Palmer 3. Eli Manning 4. Matt Ryan 5. Andrew Luck 6. Deshaun Watson So it’s no guarantee at all, but to dismiss it out of hand seems myopic as well. I wonder why you didn't post the entire list: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johnny_Unitas_Golden_Arm_Award Year Player School Refs 1987 Don McPherson Syracuse 1988 Rodney Peete USC 1989 Tony Rice Notre Dame 1990 Craig Erickson Miami 1991 Casey Weldon Florida State 1992 Gino Torretta Miami 1993 Charlie Ward Florida State 1994 Jay Barker Alabama 1995 Tommie Frazier Nebraska 1996 Danny Wuerffel Florida 1997 Peyton Manning Tennessee 1998 Cade McNown UCLA 1999 Chris Redman Louisville 2000 Chris Weinke Florida State 2001 David Carr Fresno State 2002 Carson Palmer USC 2003 Eli Manning Ole Miss 2004 Jason White Oklahoma 2005 Matt Leinart USC 2006 Brady Quinn Notre Dame 2007 Matt Ryan Boston College 2008 Graham Harrell Texas Tech 2009 Colt McCoy Texas 2010 Scott Tolzien Wisconsin [3] 2011 Andrew Luck Stanford [4] 2012 Collin Klein Kansas State [5] 2013 AJ McCarron Alabama [6] 2014 Marcus Mariota Oregon [7] 2015 Connor Cook Michigan State [8] 2016 Deshaun Watson Clemson [1] 2017 Mason Rudolph Oklahoma State [9]
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