P51 Posted March 2, 2018 Share Posted March 2, 2018 An pre-combine mock with some free agency implications integrated, especially at QB. Trades are based on the Rich Hill trade chart. I will respond when I can, feedback is appreciated, enjoy the weekend and the combine! 2018 NFL Mock Draft V 2.0 (Pre-Combine) 2 round mock *Rich Hill trade chart* 1st Round 1 – Cleveland – Sam Darnold (QB – U.S.C.) New GM John Dorsey isn’t going to the Brownzy thing here, pass on a QB and take a chance their guy isn’t there at pick 4. S. Barkley at 1, J. Allen at 4 makes sense, but S. Darnold at 1 and Barkley at 4 makes more sense and even S. Darnold 1, M. Fitzpatrick at 4 makes more sense. Signing A.J. McCarron (despite being a new front office, McCarron still makes sense) in FA does not stop Dorsey from taking Darnold #1. 2 – N.Y. Giants – Josh Rosen (QB – U.C.L.A.)(Med) The Giants could snag S. Barkley here and give Eli a weapon to try to win now with, however this team is not a S. Barkley away from being a Super Bowl contender this year, next year or even the next. J. Rosen is the future and now is the time to start grooming him for such. The best pure passer in the draft, Rosen needs to let his body heal and get stronger which he’ll be able to do while being developed properly behind Eli for a couple years. Long term thinking pays long term dividends. The Giants are not a quick fix. *Trade* Indianapolis trades the 3rd pick to Buffalo for the 21st, 22nd, 53rd picks and LT – Cordy Glenn (assigned value – pick 96/3rd round). Rich Hill Trade Value Chart: Colts – 514.33, Bills – 659.22, 128% premium increase. 3 – Buffalo (via. Indianapolis) – Baker Mayfield (QB – Oklahoma) Apparently the tight lipped Bills brass has let it be known that they love Darnold, Rosen and Allen so far. Letting it be known sounds like smoke to me, having hired an offensive coordinator who learned the college game and previously worked for a regime that incorporates college schemes into a pro offense makes me think there is a strong possibility they actually like Mayfield more than they are letting on publically. Having the resources to move up this far without killing their entire draft using the Rich Hill trade chart to land B. Mayfield, they make the move. The Bills in this case trade Tyrod Taylor for a 5th round pick and bring in Ryan Fitzpatrick to compete with and tutor Mayfield for the 2018 season. 4 – Cleveland (via. Houston) – Saquon Barkely (RB – Penn. St.) The Browns land their QB1 with the top pick, next they land their top overall player with pick 4. #WIN 5 – Denver – Minkah Fitzpatrick (FS/CB – Alabama) While I think the Broncos are in the running for Cousins, their offensive supporting cast is weak and/or aging, while the defense is still strong it is not the same dominate unit it once was. Cousin’s signs elsewhere and John Elway looks to another FA or trade option to bridge into the future, while understanding the draft might not play out the way he would hope, which in this mock it does not. So Elway looks to take the best available prospect to upgrade the secondary in a unique way as Fitzpatrick can play any spot in the secondary and diversifies the Bronco’s secondary. 6 – N.Y. Jets – Josh Allen (QB – Wyoming) The Jets lose out on Cousins as well and look to the future at QB with J. Allen who is a long term project with a high ceiling and look to FA to bring in a bridge QB for a year or two, like C. Keenum to keep the Jets team on track and moving in a positive direction offensively while Allen develops. 7 – Tampa Bay – Bradley Chubb (43DE – N.C. St.) The Bucs sit tight and land the #1 pass rusher in the draft, who also is an exceptional base end in a 43 front. 8 – Chicago – Tremaine Edmunds (Edge/LB – Va. Tech.) I really want to find Tru a weapon to grow and develop with, but I don’t see the value this high at WR or TE, not having a trade back partner hurts as well. So it’s BPA at an impact position of need as Edmunds can play base LB anywhere on any down, while contributing to the pass rush opposite L. Floyd. 9 – San Francisco – Derwin James (SS/FS – F.S.U.)(Med) D. James is the perfect physical specimen as a box safety, capable of handling bigger TE’s, RB’s and big slot receivers in coverage, while being a capable run defender and blitzer with room to grow and improve as an all-around player. Could develop into a CB or FS, but for the time being should be an excellent box SS, who is capable on the back end in zone coverage. 10 – Oakland – Da’Ron Payne (DT – Alabama) Payne showed he can dominate games in both phases run and pass D in 2017, he is going to be a better pro than college player as he continues to learn to rush the passer more efficiently and technically. More athletic than he is given credit for. Day 1 starter with a 3 down impact. 11 – Miami – Quenton Neslon (LG – Notre Dame) Miami needs to beef up the interior of the offensive line and landing one of the best 2 players in the draft to help them do so can only help both the Dolphins QB and RB’s execute Adam Gases offense. *Trade* Cincinnati trades the 12th pick to the L.A. Chargers for the 17th, 84th picks in the 2018 draft and a 2019 5th round pick. Rich Hill Trade Value Chart: Cincinnati – 346.51, L.A. Chargers – 347.21 (+ 2019 5th). 12 – L.A. Chargers (via. Cincinnati) – Lamar Jackson (QB/WR – Louisville) Every draft there is a surprising move and this could be the one in the 2018 draft, the Chargers have to start thinking about their team’s future post P. Rivers. L. Jackson is a polarizing prospect, Michael Vick athletic with a better passing IQ that needs to be developed, but has improved during his college career. Jackson needs to bulk up and develop his pocket passing skills if he wants long term NFL success, both of which he will be able to do behind P. Rivers for the next 1-2 years. 13 – Washington – Joshua Jackson (ZCB – Iowa) Bashaud Breeland is likely leaving in FA and Josh Norman turns 31 in season next year. J. Jackson can start day 1 and fit into the Redskins youth movement in the secondary with Q. Dunbar and F. Moreau as the Redskins transition into the new “nickel is the base D.” 14 – Green Bay – Harold Landry (OLB/Edge – B.C.) The Packers need an edge presence so they can move C. Matthews permanently inside. Landry’s 2016 tape is as impressive as there is in this class of pass rushers, his athletic ability off the edge will allow him to make plays in NFL and he has room for improvement technique wise that an NFL coach should mold into a top tier pass rusher, who is also capable of dropping back into coverage. *Trade* Arizona trades the 15th, 47th and 79th picks to Indianapolis for the 21st, 36th, 67th and 195th picks. Rich Hill Trade Value Chart: Arizona – 496.88, Indianapolis – 505.63. 15 – Indianapolis (via. Arizona) – Marcus Davenport (43DE – U.T.S.A.) Arizona wants to move up and get their QB of the future, but with the top 4 QB’s in the draft gone by the 6th pick has to make the best of the situation and looks to move down and Indianapolis is a willing to move up for a pass rusher who slides down the board a little in M. Davenport who is only scratching the surface of his immense potential, similarly to Ezekial Ansah when he came out in the 2013 draft. Spd/Po. 16 – Baltimore – Calvin Ridley (WR – Alabama) The Ravens need to give Flacco weapons in order for him and the team to succeed and Ozzie Newsome likes to take the Best Alabama Player Available, making this a natural fit. Ridley has long speed to go with elite level CoD skills, and reminds me of Isaac Bruce in many ways, aside from the dropsies. 17 – Cincinnati (via. L.A. Chargers) – Roquan Smith (WLB/ILB – Georgia) R. Smith instantly upgrades the entire Bengals linebacking core and gives them a LB capable of covering from the 2nd level of the defense. Smith’s value here is too much to pass on despite having more pressing needs on the roster. BPA. 18 – Seattle – Sonny Michel (RB – Georgia) Seattle has needed a RB since M. Lynch temporarily “hung’em up”. S. Michel can be a true 3 down back, who’s 15 & 16 tape shows a natural ability to catch the ball out of the backfield similarly to the Rose Bowl game vs. Oklahoma, while being asked to stay in and block more in 17. Michel’s explosiveness and ability to run inside and out will make him a perfect fit in Seattle. Michel is an underrated 3 down player. 19 – Dallas – James Washington (WR – Ok. St.) Dez Bryant contract and physical ability are not as close as they once were and a lack of separation is creating a lack of production. Dallas needs a deep threat to back off safeties, in addition a true #1 WR to get the offense back on track and J. Washington has the skill set to fill the void, even if Bryant restructures. 20 – Detroit – Maurice Hurst (3DT – Michigan) Hurst could be the best penetrating 43 Three-Technique to enter the draft in since Aaron Donald and while he is a one trick pony, it’s a good trick despite not being A. Donald good. Hurst needs to refine his hand use technique and improve his strength to become a more well-rounded defensive lineman but he should complement A’Shawn Robinson nicely in the Lions interior defensive line. 21 – Arizona (via. Indy, via. Buffalo) – Mason Rudolph (QB – Ok. St.) The Cardinals move down the board, acquiring an extra pick while also moving up the board in the 2nd and 3rd rounds and landing their QB target before the teams at the bottom of the 1st can. Rudolph sits for a year while Tyrod Taylor (traded to Arizona for the 152nd pick in the 5th round) 22 – Indianapolis (via. Buffalo, via. K.C.) – Denzel Ward (CB – O.S.U.) D. Ward is the BPA at a position of need and whether it be in the slot or on the perimeter, Ward is a capable lock down defender. While preferable given some size limitations, Ward could be an elite sub package defender and should flourish in that role given his athleticism. Wards skill set will still allow him to be effective on the boundary or field in coverage. 23 – L.A. Rams – Arden Key (Edge/43DE – L.S.U.)(Off/Med) The Rams are not afraid take on talented players with question marks, and Key’s 2016 season was impressive, showing the raw talent to get picked in the top 5 coming into this season, injuries, off the field issues and weight issues seem to be being handled and Key should flourish under Wade Phillips. *Trade* Carolina trades the 24th and 161st picks to Cleveland for the 33rd and 65th picks. Rich Hill Trade Value Chart: Carolina – 42.97, Cleveland – 44.81 24 – Cleveland (via. Carolina) – Mike Hughes (CB – U.C.F.) Cleveland needs to upgrade their secondary in a big way, especially at corner back and with great hips and CoD skills, Hughes is physical throughout the route and gets his head around and locates the ball. The more I watch of Hughes the more I like him and expect him to challenge J. Jackson and D. Ward for the top CB in the draft, especially if he nails the combine. Cleveland uses their extensive draft capital to make a move up the board and fill and big need with talent at the CB. Bringing in a Trumaine Johnson and Lamarcus Joyner at CB and FS in FA will help allow Hughes to start his career in the slot. 25 – Tennessee – Vita Vea (NDT – Washington) Vea is drawing comparisons to Haloti Ngata and as a run defender Vea is similar to Ngata, the reason Vea falls in this mock is that he does not have Ngata’s ability to penetrate and is not as light on his feet. Vea is a rare physical specimen with elite strength and power, with room to improve as a pass rusher. 26 – Atlanta – Mike McGlinchey (RT/T – Notre Dame) I’ve never been a fan of R. Schraeder as starting tackle in the NFL and McGlinchey is the best true right tackle in the draft, he just happens to be a better right tackle than left, which diminishes his value a little and causes him to slip down the board despite being an excellent all around football player. RT the new LT? 27 – New Orleans – Rashaan Evans (LB – Alabama) The Saints LB core has been hit hard by injuries and the situation given the personnel history isn’t figuring to get any better and with the ability to play in any spot and play any role given his versatility R. Evans is an easy pick here and day 1 impact, 3 down, side-line to side-line starter. 28 – Pittsburgh – Leighton Vander Esch (ILB/SLB – Boise St.) Ryan Shazier was one of my draft favorites in 2014 and nothing changed once he hit the field in the NFL, I truly hope he’ll be able to heal and have a healthy life moving forward w/or w/out football. Vander Esch helps fill the void at ILB for the Steelers. 29 – Jacksonville – Isaiah Wynn (LG/T – Georgia) Tough call here between Wynn and W. Hernandez, but Wynn has the higher grade and ability to kick out to tackle if needed. Wynn helps the run and pass game next to C. Robinson for the next decade on the left side of the Jag’s oline. 30 – Minnesota – Orlando Brown (RT/T – Oklahoma) I have the Vikings winning the Cousins sweepstakes in FA. Brown allows Remmers to move inside to guard if needed and further bolsters the run game for D. Cook and Co. at running back, while providing long term security at tackle in pass protection as well for Cousinis. 31 – New England – Isaiah Oliver (CB – Colorado) Malcom Butler is clearly leaving in FA and the cupboard is bare opposite S. Gilmore whose post-season play was among the best on the Patriots defense. Luckily for the Patriots I. Oliver falls right into their laps and should start day 1. 32 – Philadelphia – Darius Leonard (WLB – S. Carolina St.) The Eagles are going to have to make some tough choices this offseason and letting N. Bradham go in FA is one, the good news is D. Leonard is going to be a cost controlled stud replacement. 2nd Round 33 – Carolina (via. Cleveland) – Kolton Miller (LT/T – U.C.L.A.) K. Miller has the physical tools to be the best LT in this class, strength and technique development is going to be the key to unlocking his potential. Carolina could easily go in several directions with this pick, but protecting Cam Newton has to be a priority. 34 – N.Y. Giants – Darrius Guice (RB – L.S.U.)(Med) The Giants get their QB for the next decade plus in the 1st round and now land their RB of the present and future with an early round 2 steal. 35 – Cleveland (via. Houston) – Courtland Sutton (WR – S.M.U.) Sutton is another big bodied receiver with a ton of potential to start opposite J. Gordon and allow C. Coleman to move inside and work out of the slot full time, where he should have been since being drafted. 36 – Arizona (via. Indianapolis) – Malik Jefferson (ILB – Texas) The Cardinals need help all over the field and a run stuffing ILB who can help in coverage is near the top of the list. 37 – N.Y. Jets – Billy Price (C/G – O.S.U.) The last time the Jets drafted an Ohio St. center it worked out well for them, and while I don’t think there is a correlation beyond attending O.S.U., I think Price can have the same long term affect. 38 – Tampa Bay – Ronald Jones II (RB – U.S.C.) Tampa needs a running back and gets a steal in the 2nd round with R. Jones III who has a first round skill set and will help J. Winston on all 3 downs. 39 – Chicago – Christian Kirk (WR – Texas A & M) After passing on a weapon for Tru in the 1st, the Bears look to take the best available weapon in the 2nd round with Kirk who will likely work best out of the slot at the next level. *Trade* Denver trades the 40th pick and 99th Picks to Philadelphia for QB – Nick Foles. 40 – Philadelphia (via. Denver) – D.J. Moore (WR – Maryland) The Eagles have to make cuts or trades to get cap space to operate at all this off season and trading Foles saves them about $5 million in space and allows them to bring in some cost controlled assets. Meanwhile Denver loses out on their FA QB’s of choice and enters the draft looking for a veteran QB and lands it in Foles who Bill Musgrave will tailor an offense for. Meanwhile the Eagles cut Torrey Smith in another salary cap move and replace him with the downfield threat in D.J. Moore. 41 – Miami – Mark Andrews (TE – Oklahoma) Julius Thomas looks like his age is catching up with him and M. Andrews looks like a perfect fit for Adam Gase who continues to use the draft to build his offense around Ryan Tannehill. 42 – Oakland – Jalen Davis (NCB – Utah St.) The under rated J. Davis is potential lock down nickel defender who can keep up with the speediest of slot receivers and is in the upper echelon of playmaking DB’s in this draft. 43 – New England (via. S.F.) –Andrew Brown (3DT – Virginia) The Patriots pass rush needs to be upgraded and having Derek Rivers come back from injury should help on the edges and Andrew Brown should help the interior pass rush. Brown was used to 2 gap in a 34 front at UVA and out of position, not his strengths, but he has a great first step and was used as stand up pass rusher on the edge for the Cavaliers showing a good bull rush and active hands, while also dropping in coverage. 44 – Washington – Will Hernandez (LG/G – U.T.E.P.) The Skins offensive line was decimated by injuries last year and there is no current starting LG on the roster, Hernandez would be huge upgrade, literally and figuratively. 45 – Green Bay – Ronnie Harrison (SS – Alabama) Morgan Burnett is likely leaving via FA, and Harrison can come in a lay the lumber from day 1. A steal at pick 45. 46 – Cincinnati – Connor Williams (LT/T/G – Texas) (Off) Cincinnati needs to figure out its LT spot and C. Williams could be the savior on the Red Riffles blind side. 47 – Indianapolis (via. Arizona) – Tyrell Crosby (RT/T – Oregon) Having shored up the D in round 1, the Colts land a potential day 1 starter in Crosby who continues to grow on me, protecting and surrounding A. Luck with talent should be priority #1. It just didn’t work out that way in this mock. 48 – Los Angeles Chargers – James Daniels (C – Iowa) Spencer Pulley is a nice back up who can play C and G, a starter is needed and now drafted. 49 – N.Y. Jets (via. Seattle) – Ogbonnia Okoronkwo (OLB/Edge – Oklahoma) The Jets have needs and pass rusher is one of them, Okoronkwo is a love hate prospect. 50 – Dallas – DeShon Elliott (FS- Texas) The Cowboys should be looking to move pieces of their secondary around including Byron Jones to full time CB, leaving a hole for D. Elliott to fill at FS. 51 – Detroit – Dorian O’Daniel (WLB – Clemson) O’Daniel has made huge strides from last year to this past season and is the perfect complement to J. Davis at ILB and the Lions have several FA LB’s to replace, and O’Daniel is perfect cover LB to do so. 52– Baltimore – Frank Ragnow (C/G – Arkansas) (Med) Ragnow needs to be medically cleared and despite that making this potentially high for Ragnow, his ability to play either C or G and physical skill set when health make this a potential homerun pick. 53 – Indianapolis (via. Buffalo) – Marcell Ateman (WR – Ok. St.) The Colts need weapons at WR and Ateman complements TY Hilton nicely, adding a big bodied target for A. Luck to throw to. 54 – Kansas City – Jaire Alexander (CB – Louisville) Kansas City needs help at corner in a big way and get the feisty, uber talented J. Alexander. Alexander has durability concerns, but an 1st round pound for pound talent skill set. 55 – Carolina – Justin Reid (SS/FS/NCB – Stanford) The Panthers cupboard is completely bare and empty at safety, and Reid can play both safety spots, and even drop down and cover the slot as corner. 56 – Buffalo (via. L.A. Rams) – Harrison Phillips (DT – Stanford) Harrison Phillips and Sean McDermott seem like a match made in heaven and Phillips should be an off the bus starter for the Bills defensive front. 57 – Tennessee – Brendan Smith (G – Auburn) B. Smith is a day one starter and will go a long way to keeping the Titans offense moving and productive. 58 – Atlanta – Tim Settle (NDT – Va. Tech) Replacing D. Poe with a run stuffing nose tackle has to be a priority for the Falcons in the NFC South and Settle should settle in nicely upfront for the Falcons dline. 59 – San Francisco (via. N.O.) – Sam Hubbard (43DE – O.S.U.) San Francisco needs pass rusher opposite S. Thomas and gets Hubbard late in the 2nd round, while not an athletically gifted player, Hubbard will have to use his technical skills to succeed at the next level as a pass rusher. 60 – Pittsburgh – Terrell Edmunds (SS/FS –Va. Tech) Time to finish the roster make over at Safety and Terrell Edmunds will help add a playmaking dimension to the Steelers secondary. 61 – Jacksonville – Dallas Goedert (TE – S. Dakota St.) Mercedes Lewis is going to be 34 next year and there is not much in the cupboard on Jacksonville’s roster at TE. Goedert can come in and help in all aspects of the offense, most importantly of all giving B. Bortles or whomever at QB moving forward a viable option in the passing game at TE. 62 – Minnesota – Tavern Bryan (3DT – Florida) Bryan does not have a consistent motor from what I have seen, but if harnessed correctly, Bryan has 1st round level skills and could be a steal if the coaches in Minnesota get his motor going. 63 – New England – Ito Smith (RB – S. Miss.) I don’t expect Dion Lewis to be back and Ito Smith has a comparable skill set that fits nicely into the Patriots offense. 64 – Cleveland (via. Philadelphia) – Chukwuma Okorafor (LT/T – W. Michigan) Having shored up the QB, RR, WR and CB so far in the draft and the secondary in FA, the Browns look to developing their LT of the future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted March 2, 2018 Share Posted March 2, 2018 Terrific job and worthy of discussion. The trade up to Indianapolis doesn't make sense from the Colts standpoint. In order to make it a more balanced deal for them the Bills would need to add a second round pick in next year's draft. The Colts are in a good situation to auction off their pick. If we want it we will have to dig deeper down the pocket to make it happen. I agree with you that the Giants should take Rosen as their next franchise qb and not worry about Eli's feelings. Manning has faded beyond repair and if the Giants draft Rosen I predict that he will be taking the snaps before the season is over. I don't care what the irrepressible Gunner says I believe that this is the right thing for the Giants to do. The Harrison Philips is a match made in heaven for the HC and the team. I see Orlando Brown dropping down another round because he went to the combine so unprepared. When you go for a job interview and you look sloppy and fail the basic tests that your competitors ace you are telling the world that you are lazy and don't care about your profession. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P51 Posted March 3, 2018 Author Share Posted March 3, 2018 1 hour ago, JohnC said: Terrific job and worthy of discussion. The trade up to Indianapolis doesn't make sense from the Colts standpoint. In order to make it a more balanced deal for them the Bills would need to add a second round pick in next year's draft. The Colts are in a good situation to auction off their pick. If we want it we will have to dig deeper down the pocket to make it happen. I agree with you that the Giants should take Rosen as their next franchise qb and not worry about Eli's feelings. Manning has faded beyond repair and if the Giants draft Rosen I predict that he will be taking the snaps before the season is over. I don't care what the irrepressible Gunner says I believe that this is the right thing for the Giants to do. The Harrison Philips is a match made in heaven for the HC and the team. I see Orlando Brown dropping down another round because he went to the combine so unprepared. When you go for a job interview and you look sloppy and fail the basic tests that your competitors ace you are telling the world that you are lazy and don't care about your profession. The Colts trade is at +28% value, which is a hefty increase, could it take more? Sure could, I wouldn’t include a 1st next year but if it took a 2nd to get it done, I’d probably do it with mid round return from them, but all futrure negotiations with the Colts would carry a huge Increase similarly to this trade in any deal. I think the trade makes a ton of sense from the Colts (similarly to the Broncos depending as well) side. Turning the #3 pick into 3 top 53 picks (5 total) and a LT whom allows for increased flexibility on the offensive line (they have 2 starting caliber lineman imo) is something they should be searching out, their roster is awful. It’s not like their getting a Raiders return from Miami in 2013 for the 3rd pick. The Colts are in a great position if QBs go 1 & 2 in the draft especially with the only other pick being Cleveland’s before the Jets and Broncos pick, neither of which IMO is getting Cousins, who I think is going to end up in Minnesota, their roster is set up to win now and down the road. Cleveland takes Barkley at 4 regardless of offers, then the Broncos take Baker and don’t trade for Foles and the Jets take Allen otherwise and we are into the L. Jackson’s and M. Rudolph’s if the world... Jackson is growing on me again. Gunners opinion is one here I always take note of and respect, I don’t know what he said re the Giants, but IMO it would be irresponsible for the Giants to walk out of this draft w/out their QB for the next 15 years. I think their throwing smoke out there to get Cleveland to bite on Barkley 1 so they get their future at 2. I see it as a Superbowl QB to Super Bowl caliber QB and 30ish years of chances, similarly to the Packers. That’s priceless, especially if Barkley goes 1, he’s special but nothing in the league is QB trumping. Given their position how do they not take a QB? Their roster needs too much work IMO to truly compete in the near future and Eli is clearly declining. I did this mock prior to Browns combine, and I messed up on the Browns/Panthers trade trying to edit and just caught it when you said that. Should have Kolton Miller and Brown switched (hindsight excluded, based on my rankings prior to the mock & combine). Regardless, I heard about the Brown combine late today and will watch the recording tomorrow to see how things went, but when your right, your right, he hurt himself big time today, might be another round or two fall past the 2nd, based on what I’ve heard. I started this mock 10 or so days ago, and did that pick early this week. I don’t get not being prepared, incomprehesible... I appreciate the feedback and discussion! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billspro Posted March 3, 2018 Share Posted March 3, 2018 That would be a great draft. Phillips is going to be a great DT. He would be a steal at that point in the draft. Mayfield would bring us a lot of hope. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P51 Posted March 4, 2018 Author Share Posted March 4, 2018 20 hours ago, billspro said: That would be a great draft. Phillips is going to be a great DT. He would be a steal at that point in the draft. Mayfield would bring us a lot of hope. I think so too, JohnC brought up the trade being light, what’s your thoughts on the cost to move up? More, less, about right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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