Mr. WEO Posted March 2, 2018 Posted March 2, 2018 On 3/2/2018 at 1:17 PM, Binghamton Beast said: That’s quite a thing to say especially when his treatment was at Sloan Kettering in New York City. These things, unfortunately, happen. Expand His first surgery was at ECMC. His recurrence was treated at Memorial. He didn't get radiation after the first surgery. 85% of the patients with his pathology do. His cancer recurred within 9 months of his first surgery.
billsfanmiami(oh) Posted March 2, 2018 Posted March 2, 2018 On 3/2/2018 at 2:41 PM, Mr. WEO said: His first surgery was at ECMC. His recurrence was treated at Memorial. He didn't get radiation after the first surgery. 85% of the patients with his pathology do. His cancer recurred within 9 months of his first surgery. Expand Could he have elected not to do the radiation? Sounds like you’re making a pretty big assumption...
Mr. WEO Posted March 2, 2018 Posted March 2, 2018 On 3/2/2018 at 3:21 PM, billsfanmiami(oh) said: Could he have elected not to do the radiation? Sounds like you’re making a pretty big assumption... Expand I suppose anything is possible. But I don't know why a patient would agree to the surgical portion and not the adjuvant radiation if it was recommended. My assumption is that Jim was told radiation would not be necessary.
JoeF Posted March 2, 2018 Posted March 2, 2018 My wish for Jim is that he lives long enough to see his grandkids grow up to be as tough as he is. No one punches harder than Jim in these kinds of fights. He brought us fans so many joyous moments that far outweighed any heartache. Sending every prayer I can to hope for another winning battle.
billsfanmiami(oh) Posted March 2, 2018 Posted March 2, 2018 On 3/2/2018 at 3:26 PM, Mr. WEO said: I suppose anything is possible. But I don't know why a patient would agree to the surgical portion and not the adjuvant radiation if it was recommended. My assumption is that Jim was told radiation would not be necessary. Expand Maybe because radiation sucks? You know what they say about assumptions...
nedboy7 Posted March 2, 2018 Posted March 2, 2018 On 3/1/2018 at 4:13 PM, MiltonWaddams said: Get yourself a tin hat and exit the thread to return to your life under a bridge. Expand Try learnign how they treat cancer in other countries. You might get a new perspective.
Mr. WEO Posted March 2, 2018 Posted March 2, 2018 On 3/2/2018 at 3:53 PM, billsfanmiami(oh) said: Maybe because radiation sucks? You know what they say about assumptions... Expand Radiation does suck. But it's not gratuitous. I don't see any circumstance where Jim Kelly would, if offered as the standard treatment of surgery followed by radiation, refuse the radiation part. He's going to say "do whatever it takes, I want this gone". He is not going to say "radiation sounds rough. Just do the operation and I will take my chances with recurrence".
buffalobloodfloridahome Posted March 2, 2018 Posted March 2, 2018 Jim really his special on NFL network about how he didn't always live the best lifestyle and really struggled with some of the decisions he made in the past and he felt that everything from Hunter to his cancer is paying for his sins of the past and now he's made peace with it and loves his wife and family. It's amazing that he admits to the wrongs of his past and wants to move forward. Get well Jimbo we need you around to cheer Buffalo back into the playoffs!
Tcali Posted March 2, 2018 Posted March 2, 2018 On 3/1/2018 at 4:11 PM, nedboy7 said: Cancer treatment in the us is dictated by the medical indaustial complex. Its all BS. Expand When you say its ALL BS I lose you there. Does what you say have some merit? Yes. But I am more of the opinion that the medical industrial complex is 50% great and 50% dicey. I've seen lives saved with treatment and I have seen MUCH needless treatment that only ruins the quality of life more for the patient while providing false hope. Unless a treatment protocol has a high % cure rate I would forego the chemo or other super aggressive treatments. A few close friends suffered horribly chasing after a low % cure...and made the last couple years of their lives miserable with the chemo and radiation.
SNICE Posted March 2, 2018 Posted March 2, 2018 This news ruined an otherwise good day. Makes me sad for him and his family. stay strong, keep fighting
nedboy7 Posted March 2, 2018 Posted March 2, 2018 On 3/2/2018 at 6:10 PM, Tcali said: When you say its ALL BS I lose you there. Does what you say have some merit? Yes. But I am more of the opinion that the medical industrial complex is 50% great and 50% dicey. I've seen lives saved with treatment and I have seen MUCH needless treatment that only ruins the quality of life more for the patient while providing false hope. Unless a treatment protocol has a high % cure rate I would forego the chemo or other super aggressive treatments. A few close friends suffered horribly chasing after a low % cure...and made the last couple years of their lives miserable with the chemo and radiation. Expand You are correct. My comment was made in anger at a system that I believe does not operate in the best interest of the patient. It operates based on profit like most things in this country. No disrespect to JK. Or to anyone else here. I’ve seen what alternative treatments provide compared to chemo.
Royale with Cheese Posted March 2, 2018 Posted March 2, 2018 On 3/2/2018 at 6:44 PM, nedboy7 said: You are correct. My comment was made in anger at a system that I believe does not operate in the best interest of the patient. It operates based on profit like most things in this country. No disrespect to JK. Or to anyone else here. I’ve seen what alternative treatments provide compared to chemo. Expand My dad just beat cancer a few months ago. Went through radiation but not chemo. One of my friends lost a parent because they went the alternative route instead of western medicine. He regretted it on his death bed because the cancer was very treatable according to his doctor. Steve Jobs also regretted taking the natural/homeopathic route. According to Steve Jobs’ biographer, Walter Isaacson, the AppleAAPL +0.16% mastermind eventually came to regret the decision he had made years earlier to reject potentially life-saving surgery in favor of alternative treatments like acupuncture, dietary supplements and juices. Though he ultimately embraced the surgery and sought out cutting-edge experimental methods, they were not enough to save him. https://www.forbes.com/sites/alicegwalton/2011/10/24/steve-jobs-cancer-treatment-regrets/#3c0bc17a7d2e
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted March 2, 2018 Posted March 2, 2018 Cancer Sucks... On 3/2/2018 at 7:43 PM, Royale with Cheese said: My dad just beat cancer a few months ago. Went through radiation but not chemo. One of my friends lost a parent because they went the alternative route instead of western medicine. He regretted it on his death bed because the cancer was very treatable according to his doctor. Steve Jobs also regretted taking the natural/homeopathic route. According to Steve Jobs’ biographer, Walter Isaacson, the AppleAAPL +0.16% mastermind eventually came to regret the decision he had made years earlier to reject potentially life-saving surgery in favor of alternative treatments like acupuncture, dietary supplements and juices. Though he ultimately embraced the surgery and sought out cutting-edge experimental methods, they were not enough to save him. https://www.forbes.com/sites/alicegwalton/2011/10/24/steve-jobs-cancer-treatment-regrets/#3c0bc17a7d2e Expand My view is throw every effing thing you can at it. Conventional, homeopathic experimental... etc. jobs had pancreatic cancer, even though it wasn’t the absolute worst variant of it. Not too many beat that one no matter what they try 1
Royale with Cheese Posted March 2, 2018 Posted March 2, 2018 On 3/2/2018 at 8:48 PM, Over 29 years of fanhood said: Cancer Sucks... My view is throw every effing thing you can at it. Conventional, homeopathic experimental... etc. jobs had pancreatic cancer, even though it wasn’t the absolute worst variant of it. Not too many beat that one no matter what they try Expand I'm all for that as well...anything and everything. However my dad was getting "sold" by a homeopathic doctor. She told him never to go through western medicine because she nearly has a 100% success rate. She wanted $10,000 dollars from my dad up front to begin her treatment. I made my dad promise me he would listen to his regular doctors first, he was scared, easily influenced and vulnerable. He did listen to his regular doctor and 13 sessions of radiation, his cancer was beat. 4
Tcali Posted March 2, 2018 Posted March 2, 2018 On 3/2/2018 at 7:43 PM, Royale with Cheese said: My dad just beat cancer a few months ago. Went through radiation but not chemo. One of my friends lost a parent because they went the alternative route instead of western medicine. He regretted it on his death bed because the cancer was very treatable according to his doctor. Steve Jobs also regretted taking the natural/homeopathic route. According to Steve Jobs’ biographer, Walter Isaacson, the AppleAAPL +0.16% mastermind eventually came to regret the decision he had made years earlier to reject potentially life-saving surgery in favor of alternative treatments like acupuncture, dietary supplements and juices. Though he ultimately embraced the surgery and sought out cutting-edge experimental methods, they were not enough to save him. https://www.forbes.com/sites/alicegwalton/2011/10/24/steve-jobs-cancer-treatment-regrets/#3c0bc17a7d2e Expand that's one person and a big maybe. there are others with completely opposite stories. 1
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted March 2, 2018 Posted March 2, 2018 On 3/2/2018 at 8:58 PM, Royale with Cheese said: I'm all for that as well...anything and everything. However my dad was getting "sold" by a homeopathic doctor. She told him never to go through western medicine because she nearly has a 100% success rate. She wanted $10,000 dollars from my dad up front to begin her treatment. I made my dad promise me he would listen to his regular doctors first, he was scared, easily influenced and vulnerable. He did listen to his regular doctor and 13 sessions of radiation, his cancer was beat. Expand Congrats man. Very happy to hear about the wins. My pops wasn’t as lucky and I feel like there were some specific turning points where the standard protocols failed him. I cant emphasize enough to everyone to do all the proactive screening. Cant catch everything but sure can prevent a number of them now. 1
Royale with Cheese Posted March 2, 2018 Posted March 2, 2018 On 3/2/2018 at 9:06 PM, Over 29 years of fanhood said: Congrats man. Very happy to hear about the wins. My pops wasn’t as lucky and I feel like there were some specific turning points where the standard protocols failed him. I cant emphasize enough to everyone to do all the proactive screening. Cant catch everything but sure can prevent a number of them now. Expand Yeah my dad has to have check ups every 6 months for the first 2 years. After than, it's annual check ups. Sorry to hear about your dad. My dad went through Cancer Treatment Centers of America. There's only 4 locations and luckily, one was in Atlanta where we live. They are supposedly the best and they worked for my dad.
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted March 2, 2018 Posted March 2, 2018 On 3/2/2018 at 9:18 PM, Royale with Cheese said: Yeah my dad has to have check ups every 6 months for the first 2 years. After than, it's annual check ups. Sorry to hear about your dad. My dad went through Cancer Treatment Centers of America. There's only 4 locations and luckily, one was in Atlanta where we live. They are supposedly the best and they worked for my dad. Expand Ive heard about them. Seems like they hit it from every angle from diet to wellness to all the latest conventions. If I was kelly that’s where I’d be looking too
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