GunnerBill Posted March 1, 2018 Posted March 1, 2018 7 hours ago, aristocrat said: Watsons wrs were very talented and yet still dropped a lot of balls. Watson was high on the "hurt by drops" lists this time last year. 7 hours ago, H2o said: Watson is miles ahead of Jackson as a passer if you have actually watched the two play Agreed. I don't hate Jackson as a prospect at all. But frankly I don't think he is close to where Deshaun Watson was coming out. 1
thenorthremembers Posted March 1, 2018 Posted March 1, 2018 A few things. There is literally no comparison between Cam Newton and Lamar Jackson. Cam still has the same issues he had in college but he is so physically imposing he can make up for it. Jackson cant. Secondly, there is no comparison between Jackson and Deshaun Watson. Watson was a high completion, high winning percentage quarterback who was already showing great touch on NFL throws. Jackson again is not that. If you actually watch the games, throw by throw, Jackson misses high a ton, makes bad decisons and has happy feet. He is amazingly athletic with a huge arm, but he is closer to Vince Young than Cam Newton. He seems like an intelligent young man so maybe he has a better chance than rock for brains. If he is the choice fine, but stop putting him in the conversation with Rosen and Mayfield. Also for anyone making this about race, stop its ignorant and proliferates a terrible message. 2
Pbomb Posted March 1, 2018 Posted March 1, 2018 9 hours ago, Buffalo Bills Detective said: John Murphy: Bills at their own 30 yard line. Lamar Jackson in the shotgun (because that's all he knows) with 3 receivers split wide. Here's the snap. Pressure coming right away up the middle! Lamar Jackson rolls out, he's going to take off! Jackson is at the 35, the 40, looking to get out of bounds and OH! Lamar Jackson got hit low by the safety and he is down and clutching at his knee. This is not looking good for the 21st overall pick right now. Cool story
aristocrat Posted March 1, 2018 Posted March 1, 2018 1 hour ago, #34fan said: You burglarized a conversation but got stuck in the chimney. Here's what I said Re: Jackson I was being general on purpose, and I wasn't alone because: Which, even generally speaking, is total bullsh_t... Anyway, that's when I pointed out: Kaep also threw less INT's than Jackson did in college, but the point was made... Cumulatively, Kaepernick accomplished way more than Jackson leading up to the draft. To your other point: The real question is, "who played for Nevada"? Besides Kaepernick, Virgil Green, and Rishard Matthews, Nevada had BUPKIS for talent on that roster. Yet in 2011, they managed to supplant a juggernaut in Boise State, -embarrass a Pac 12 mainstay in Cal, and out-duel a Boston College defense that featured Mark Herzlich, and future 1st rounder Luke Kuechley... Point to one season kap had better than Jackson. Jackson’s final two seasons were better than kaps best season
TuelTime Posted March 1, 2018 Posted March 1, 2018 Cut Tyrod, draft Jackson, sign Kaep, and win Super Bowl!
elltrain22 Posted March 1, 2018 Posted March 1, 2018 I am quite confident, that if we really like LJ, and our plan is to wait @21 to take him, he will be gone. I don't see him falling to us, and I think its very possible he goes top 10.
ddaryl Posted March 1, 2018 Posted March 1, 2018 QB's like Jackson, Rudolph and Allen are day 2 picks IMO...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted March 1, 2018 Posted March 1, 2018 8 hours ago, KD in CA said: Seriously? Unless his mother is an attorney or something, that actually is a red flag. It's probably not a decision in his best interest, but I'm not sure it's a red flag. Say more? My understanding is that rookie salaries these days are pretty well cut and dried by draft position. It's not like he's a FA depending on an agent to navigate between teams and talk his price up. I expect this is a matter of trust. They can easily hire an attorney to review the actual contract. 23 minutes ago, ddaryl said: QB's like Jackson, Rudolph and Allen are day 2 picks IMO... In terms of talent relative to the rest of the field, sure but QB are overvalued. It's like buying a house near San Francisco, expect to pay $1.5M for a house that would be $300k in Buffalo or Missouri.
Hapless Bills Fan Posted March 1, 2018 Posted March 1, 2018 (edited) 39 minutes ago, elltrain22 said: I am quite confident, that if we really like LJ, and our plan is to wait @21 to take him, he will be gone. I don't see him falling to us, and I think its very possible he goes top 10. I don't think Jackson will go top 10. But I could be wrong. Browns - QB Giants - Barkley or other position. May be willing to trade, but likely want to stay top-10 Colts - if Luck seems healthy, other position. Else, QB Browns - other position Broncos - QB unless FA (one of Broncos or Jets likely to go FA) Jets - QB unless FA (one of Broncos or Jets likely to go FA) Bucs - other position 49ers - other position Raiders - other position Pick #11 - Dolphins - maybe QB or possibly willing to trade Pick #12 - Bengals We need a QB, so we think that every team that could possibly use a QB will be grabbing one, and every other team will be trading up, and every team who doessn't want a QB in the top 10 will be eager to trade down instead of grabbing the top talent available at other positions. It could happen, but in general, it doesn't. Draft pundits value QB differently than GMs, and GMs who like a QB aren't necessarily interested in spending their top pick on one. I think we see 3 QB, possibly 4 if the GMs buy the Allen Hype, drafted in the top 10. But again, I'm just going off history with the draft and I could be wrong. 1 hour ago, aristocrat said: Point to one season kap had better than Jackson. Jackson’s final two seasons were better than kaps best season Why are people arguing with this dude? It seems pretty clear facts are no matter. Edited March 1, 2018 by Hapless Bills Fan 1
aristocrat Posted March 1, 2018 Posted March 1, 2018 7 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: I don't think Jackson will go top 10. But I could be wrong. Browns - QB Giants - Barkley or other position. May be willing to trade, but likely want to stay top-10 Colts - if Luck seems healthy, other position. Else, QB Browns - other position Broncos - QB unless FA (one of Broncos or Jets likely to go FA) Jets - QB unless FA (one of Broncos or Jets likely to go FA) Bucs - other position 49ers - other position Raiders - other position Pick #11 - Dolphins - maybe QB or possibly willing to trade Pick #12 - Bengals We need a QB, so we think that every team that could possibly use a QB will be grabbing one, and every other team will be trading up, and every team who doessn't want a QB in the top 10 will be eager to trade down instead of grabbing the top talent available at other positions. It could happen, but in general, it doesn't. Draft pundits value QB differently than GMs, and GMs who like a QB aren't necessarily interested in spending their top pick on one. I think we see 3 QB, possibly 4 if the GMs buy the Allen Hype, drafted in the top 10. But again, I'm just going off history with the draft and I could be wrong. Why are people arguing with this dude? It seems pretty clear facts are no matter. true
starrymessenger Posted March 1, 2018 Posted March 1, 2018 I think there is a good chance LJ winds up in Arizona if he doesn't come off the board before. My ranking of the QB prospects in this class= 1) Josh Rosen 2) Lamar Jackson 3)Baker/Sam (flip a coin) 4) Josh Allen. They are all first round worthy, and that's where I think they go.
Buffalo Bills Detective Posted March 1, 2018 Posted March 1, 2018 4 minutes ago, starrymessenger said: I think there is a good chance LJ winds up in Arizona if he doesn't come off the board before. My ranking of the QB prospects in this class= 1) Josh Rosen 2) Lamar Jackson 3)Baker/Sam (flip a coin) 4) Josh Allen. They are all first round worthy, and that's where I think they go. How does Lamar Jackson compare to, say, Ryan Mallett when he declared?
Alphadawg7 Posted March 1, 2018 Posted March 1, 2018 11 hours ago, #34fan said: When I think of Lamar Jackson, I think of a shiny bronze bust in the bust HOF... He's not even 1/2 of what Kaepernick was coming into the draft, and I consider them very similar stylewise... STAY AWAY unless he's there in the 2nd... LOL...not half what Kap was? Are you kidding? Didn't realize Kap won the Heisman, was one of the best players in all of college football his whole time there, and a projected first round pick. Most people didn't even know who Kap was until they saw his name in mock drafts in the 2nd and 3rd round. And I was actually one who really wanted us to draft Kap in the 2nd. 2 minutes ago, Buffalo Bills Detective said: How does Lamar Jackson compare to, say, Ryan Mallett when he declared? Uh...they dont...Talk about the exact polar opposites of QB prospects. Mallet was a giant stone statue which a cocaine problem. Lamar is an electric dual threat kid and just as good off the field as on.
MrEpsYtown Posted March 1, 2018 Posted March 1, 2018 It's smokescreen season, but Beane has repeatedly said that he wants a quarterback who can win games from within the pocket. I like Jackson, I think Mayfield is interesting, I do not think the Bills will draft either. I think their board is Rosen, Darnold, Allen, or punt on this class.
GunnerBill Posted March 1, 2018 Posted March 1, 2018 2 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said: It's smokescreen season, but Beane has repeatedly said that he wants a quarterback who can win games from within the pocket. I like Jackson, I think Mayfield is interesting, I do not think the Bills will draft either. I think their board is Rosen, Darnold, Allen, or punt on this class. I think they might have some interest in Rudolph too if they do end up unable to move up. They have certainly watched him plenty.
aristocrat Posted March 1, 2018 Posted March 1, 2018 6 minutes ago, Buffalo Bills Detective said: How does Lamar Jackson compare to, say, Ryan Mallett when he declared? i dont think there in the same universe
Hapless Bills Fan Posted March 1, 2018 Posted March 1, 2018 9 hours ago, 4merper4mer said: About 75% down page one of this thread. So I think that person's point may have been watching them run and be injured, and perhaps (certainly in EJ's case) having their knees targeted. But of course a QB who is looking to throw loses a lot of his protections as soon as he rolls out of the pocket, and in the past our QB have been heavily criticized if they slid short of the 1st down (Orton) 2 hours ago, thenorthremembers said: If you actually watch the games, throw by throw, Jackson misses high a ton, makes bad decisons and has happy feet. He is amazingly athletic with a huge arm, but he is closer to Vince Young than Cam Newton. He seems like an intelligent young man so maybe he has a better chance than rock for brains. If he is the choice fine, but stop putting him in the conversation with Rosen and Mayfield. Also for anyone making this about race, stop its ignorant and proliferates a terrible message. I have watched several games from this past season (2017) and I don't see "a ton" of misses high, or happy feet. To the contrary. He does make some bad decisions, but so do all QB.
MrEpsYtown Posted March 1, 2018 Posted March 1, 2018 1 minute ago, GunnerBill said: I think they might have some interest in Rudolph too if they do end up unable to move up. They have certainly watched him plenty. I think it's possible. I feel like his small hands and lack of arm strength will turn them off, but I could be completely wrong. How he does on the board with offensive concepts is going to be critical for him. I don't think he is much better than Nate Peterman honestly. Similar arm strength, Rudolph has better size, Nate has bigger hands, Nate had experience in a pro style offense coming in. I don't think Rudolph move s the needle the way the top five guys would, and would therefore be a wasted pick. In the fourth round its fine. I count the top five as Rosen, Darnold, Allen, Mayfield and Jackson. I think there is a huge drop off after them. And I don't think the Bills will be in on Mayfield or Jackson. All just my opinions.
RyanC883 Posted March 1, 2018 Posted March 1, 2018 12 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said: Box score experts are abundant here, so are lazy comparisons to TT just because they can both run. Lamar is a better passer than most give him credit for. He is quite intriguing and would be STOKED if we got him. The two QB's I want the most are Baker and Lamar. Baker if we trade up, and Lamar if we stay put (unless Baker falls somehow to 21 then I would take Baker first). I agree. I have Rosen, Mayfield, then Jackson. We get one of those three I'm pumped. I'd also trade TT and try to get one of the vet rentals out there (Keenum or Bradford) 9 hours ago, KD in CA said: Seriously? Unless his mother is an attorney or something, that actually is a red flag. Is he going to use TurboTax after he gets signing bonus too? na, he wants to fall to the Bills. Think optimistically.
JerseyBills Posted March 1, 2018 Posted March 1, 2018 11 hours ago, Buffalo Bills Detective said: John Murphy: Bills at their own 30 yard line. Lamar Jackson in the shotgun (because that's all he knows) with 3 receivers split wide. Here's the snap. Pressure coming right away up the middle! Lamar Jackson rolls out, he's going to take off! Jackson is at the 35, the 40, looking to get out of bounds and OH! Lamar Jackson got hit low by the safety and he is down and clutching at his knee. This is not looking good for the 21st overall pick right now. Looks Tyrod Taylor is warming up on the sidelines. Bills look like they'll be calling on the veteran as Jackson is being escorted to the locker room. 1
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