BadLandsMeanie Posted February 28, 2018 Posted February 28, 2018 How come when I say that I am a poopy-head but when McDermott says it he is a refreshing visionary leader? Not fair! 1
GreggTX Posted February 28, 2018 Posted February 28, 2018 I think we were a 6-10 team last year and we got very lucky. It is going to take at least 2 offseasons to make this team a serious threat to go all the way and that's assuming that most every move they make goes right. 5 minutes ago, BadLandsMeanie said: How come when I say that I am a poopy-head but when McDermott says it he is a refreshing visionary leader? Not fair! You are a refreshing, visionary poopy head. Feel better now?
BadLandsMeanie Posted February 28, 2018 Posted February 28, 2018 3 minutes ago, GreggTX said: I think we were a 6-10 team last year and we got very lucky. It is going to take at least 2 offseasons to make this team a serious threat to go all the way and that's assuming that most every move they make goes right. You are a refreshing, visionary poopy head. Feel better now? Yeah thank you 1
John from Riverside Posted February 28, 2018 Posted February 28, 2018 7 hours ago, Happy Gilmore said: Care to post the link where the quote came from? What you posted could mean anything, no context at all. It would not shock me to hear him say this He doesnt want the team getting fat and happy that we made a wild card last year.....because while it was great to finally make it into the money rounds.....it should not be the end goal. I actually think bills mgt might be shocked they did so well as we were jettisoning money players left and right for draft picks......we were in a soft rebiuld
Guest K-GunJimKelly12 Posted February 28, 2018 Posted February 28, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, McD said: 1986 Bills were 4-12 in Jim Kelly's *Rookie year. AFC Championship game 2 years later.... just sayin'. I see a lot of comparisons to players that played 20-30 years ago on this board. There was a guy in one of the college QB threads that brought up Jim Kelly's college completion percentage to compare them to I believe Lamar Jackson. Jim Kelly played college ball in the early 80's, it is similar to comparing hockey stats from players today, with players in the 70's and 80's. The game is completely different now and bringing up a certain player's stats from 30 years ago, to compare to a player today, really tells you absolutely nothing. For example, if you have a great QB today, say Aaron Rodgers, and he is healthy for a full season, the chances of that team making the playoffs is probably 95% no matter what the rest of the roster is. Say Rodgers had a pre-season, season ending injury before the 2017 season started. The Packers would have likely been a 2-5 win team. Where as a healthy Rodgers makes them an instant Super Bowl contender. If Aaron Rodgers was a QB in 1986, was healthy all season and had a similar level of talent around him as he does now, the Packers would be in the bottom half of the league. The game was so different 30 years ago, and for people who are too young to remember or didn't watch a lot of football back then, it was so, so, so much more defensive. The stuff defenses were able to get away with would blow young football fans minds. When people are bringing up "Kelly was a 56% passer in college" and talking about the Bills record in 1986, it is much more of a reflection on the overall team and the way the game was played than it is on the player. Edited February 28, 2018 by K-GunJimKelly12
Beast Posted February 28, 2018 Posted February 28, 2018 7 hours ago, Boyst62 said: He's right. We were a .500 team that got lucky. We have a lot of room to improve. They are what they are. A WC team. No luck about it. In fact, they were right in that WC game, on the road, against a team that was a hair away from making the Super Bowl. The Bills are a good team with lots of room to improve.
aristocrat Posted February 28, 2018 Posted February 28, 2018 7 hours ago, Boyst62 said: He's right. We were a .500 team that got lucky. We have a lot of room to improve. do you go through the rest of the league and change their records after the end of the year?
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted February 28, 2018 Posted February 28, 2018 6 hours ago, billsfan11 said: He is correct. Technically last year was the year the Bills were supposed to get 4-5 wins. And this year would be the year they would try to improve on that and maybe get to 8 wins. They way over achieved last year, and let's be honest, got a lot of breaks along the way. I like the direction they are going, but I think they are a few years away from being a legit contender ...have to agree.....but perhaps not a "few years away".......they won some games I doubt anybody had penciled in....and of course they snagged the "immaculate Reception" from Cincy...another good draft and some more solid FA pickups and they could be in the hunt for 2018 (will take any breaks as well)...stay tuned............
McD Posted February 28, 2018 Posted February 28, 2018 30 minutes ago, nucci said: and Kelly was an established Pro at the time...not a rookie QB....but point taken 5 minutes ago, K-GunJimKelly12 said: I see a lot of comparisons to players that played 20-30 years ago on this board. There was a guy in one of the college QB threads that brought up Jim Kelly's college completion percentage to compare them to I believe Lamar Jackson. Jim Kelly played college ball in the early 80's, it is similar to comparing hockey stats from players today, with players in the 70's and 80's. The game is completely different now and bringing up a certain player's stats from 30 years ago, to compare to a player today, really tells you absolutely nothing. For example, if you have a great QB today, say Aaron Rodgers, and he is healthy for a full season, the chances of that team making the playoffs is probably 95% no matter what the rest of the roster is. Say Rodgers had a pre-season, season ending injury before the 2017 season started. The Packers would have likely been a 2-5 win team. Where as a healthy Rodgers makes them an instant Super Bowl contender. If Aaron Rodgers was a QB in 1986, was healthy all season and had a similar level of talent around him as he does now, the Packers would be in the bottom half of the league. The game was so different 30 years ago, and for people who are too young to remember or didn't watch a lot of football back then, it was so, so, so much more defensive. The stuff defenses were able to get away with would blow young football fans minds. When people are bringing up "Kelly was a 56% passer in college" and talking about the Bills record in 1986, it is much more of a reflection on the overall team and the way the game was played than it is on the player. I didn't try to compare stats to this.... no yardage, completion %, TD's to INT's... I was comparing records... a 4-12 team 30 years ago most likely had the same issues/struggles as a 4-12 team in this era. We were discussing whether you'd be ok with a 4-12 record with an up and coming QB. Some people see that as a bad thing, or a step back... my point was that a young up and coming QB could be the answer sooner than later, and used Jimbo and the '86 Bills as a reference.
Guest K-GunJimKelly12 Posted February 28, 2018 Posted February 28, 2018 I can see this team going anywhere from 6-10 to 11-5 next season.
MTBill Posted February 28, 2018 Posted February 28, 2018 This is the sort of quote I expect from him - and is reassuring to me. Gone is the glitz and glam and rose colored glasses which state everything is perfect and fine.... then after the season, gee, I don't know what went wrong (which is usually - look at our injuries, look at these extraordinary circumstances.) In short - this quote is another way of saying - Trust the Process. We are getting better, but there may be a step backwards or laterally before results are obviously improved (e.g. 13-3 and winning the AFCE). It was an important season last year - it proved that anything can happen - even in Buffalo after this drought where everything that could go wrong often seemed to. But it was not evidence that this team is going to be winning the AFCE in 2018.
McD Posted February 28, 2018 Posted February 28, 2018 6 minutes ago, K-GunJimKelly12 said: I can see this team going anywhere from 6-10 to 11-5 next season. I agree... tough schedule, but can/will the process overcome that? Will a trade up for a Baker Mayfield type move us faster to where we want to be, or does staying put and grabbing some help at DT, OL, WR or LB with all of our picks do us better?
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted February 28, 2018 Posted February 28, 2018 2 hours ago, Reed83HOF said: Sal Capaccio ?Verified account @SalSports 28m28 minutes ago You have to really, really parse words and try to read into what McDermott and/or Beane said re: Tyrod today. Phrases used: -"At this point" (used 4 times) -"Right now" -"Day-by-day" -"Unless something changes" -"he'll be here through that part" -"Way too early" Sal Capaccio ?Verified account @SalSports 26m26 minutes ago One thing neither said was that he will be on the Bills' roster in 2018. .....the" Marrone School of Presser Adjectival Repetition".....inherent to the podium.......... 1
BillsFan130 Posted February 28, 2018 Posted February 28, 2018 28 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ...have to agree.....but perhaps not a "few years away".......they won some games I doubt anybody had penciled in....and of course they snagged the "immaculate Reception" from Cincy...another good draft and some more solid FA pickups and they could be in the hunt for 2018 (will take any breaks as well)...stay tuned............ Ya fair enough. Good points
H2o Posted February 28, 2018 Posted February 28, 2018 It is good that he acknowledges this, but we are also officially off the schneid.
thebandit27 Posted February 28, 2018 Posted February 28, 2018 Aside from QB, the key off-season move will be what they do at WR IMO. If they can't or won't get Bryant, maybe they can flip a pick for a speed guy like Travis Benjamin or pry an overpriced player like Randall Cobb from GB.
boyst Posted February 28, 2018 Posted February 28, 2018 1 hour ago, aristocrat said: do you go through the rest of the league and change their records after the end of the year? Yes. Patriots. 19-0
ghostwriter Posted February 28, 2018 Posted February 28, 2018 I may be a straight heterosexual male, but I love McDermott!
The_Dude Posted February 28, 2018 Posted February 28, 2018 That quote makes me so happy. We got in the playoffs last year (?) but we weren’t a playoff team. It’s good to hear McDermott acknowledge that the cupboard isn’t full. I just feel like he gets the situation. But I’ll never understand what he was thinking last year when he passed on Mahomes. Bad decision imo.
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