dave mcbride Posted February 28, 2018 Posted February 28, 2018 2 hours ago, Doc said: At his salary, he needs to be top-5 at least. He wasn't by a large margin. You are wrong. He was not only #7 in the NFL, he was absolutely lights out in the postseason - the games that matter most. https://www.profootballfocus.com/nfl/players/stephon-gilmore/7016 1 hour ago, Doc said: Fine, top 7. Still not close. If you're not factoring in post season performance, you're not analyzing well. 1
TheFunPolice Posted February 28, 2018 Posted February 28, 2018 He wants to go to the 2nd best team in the league and the runners up last season... Ask TD Mike about that one. He was really upset to leave Buffalo and wanted to stay here.
Doc Posted February 28, 2018 Posted February 28, 2018 20 minutes ago, jmc12290 said: Name 10 corners you'd rather have right now at that price point and length of contract. Ramsey, Bouye, Peterson, Rhodes, Slay, Talib, Hayward, White, Lattimore, and Gaines, just off the top of my head. 5 minutes ago, dave mcbride said: You are wrong. He was not only #7 in the NFL, he was absolutely lights out in the postseason - the games that matter most. https://www.profootballfocus.com/nfl/players/stephon-gilmore/7016 If you're not factoring in post season performance, you're not analyzing well. He's a good CB. But they overpaid him.
dave mcbride Posted February 28, 2018 Posted February 28, 2018 12 minutes ago, Doc said: Ramsey, Bouye, Peterson, Rhodes, Slay, Talib, Hayward, White, Lattimore, and Gaines, just off the top of my head. He's a good CB. But they overpaid him. They only overpaid him if the payment creates cap issues. As far as I can tell, the Patriots have zero cap issues.
Doc Posted February 28, 2018 Posted February 28, 2018 1 minute ago, dave mcbride said: They only overpaid him if the payment creates cap issues. As far as I can tell, the Patriots have zero cap issues. That's a different discussion. You can overpay someone even if he doesn't create cap issues for you.
BringBackOrton Posted February 28, 2018 Posted February 28, 2018 36 minutes ago, Doc said: Ramsey, Bouye, Peterson, Rhodes, Slay, Talib, Hayward, White, Lattimore, and Gaines, just off the top of my head. He's a good CB. But they overpaid him. 8 good games Gaines? He hasn't been healthy in his whole career and you'd give him that deal? Talib is on the tail end of his career. A 6 year deal would be far too much.
Cmdjr85 Posted February 28, 2018 Posted February 28, 2018 18 hours ago, The Wiz said: Everyone hated Gilmore until he finally made a play. Mike G is pretty much a nobody on their team and Hogan was decent for them. Have fun if you want to leave. You don't have TB on defense to do the work of getting flags ever other play so I'm sure it will be fun. Ive liked gilmore since day 1, and i knew it would take him time to learn the scheme and get on the right page. He will be very good next year. He was the only bright spot on the defense in SB allowed a sub 20 passer rating ehen targeted that night. Hes one of thr few guys on that defense that would even start elsewhere that played that night Trey Flowers, mccourty, him. This is the 2nd time in this decade the patriots played in the sb with a majority of defenseive players that wouldnt start anywhere else 46 minutes ago, Doc said: Ramsey, Bouye, Peterson, Rhodes, Slay, Talib, Hayward, White, Lattimore, and Gaines, just off the top of my head. He's a good CB. But they overpaid him. Talib ahahahahahahaha talib was absoulte garbage in 2017. He allowed qbs to a 100+ passer rating when targeted.
The Wiz Posted February 28, 2018 Posted February 28, 2018 Just now, Cmdjr85 said: Ive liked gilmore since day 1, and i knew it would take him time to learn the scheme and get on the right page. He will be very good next year. He was the only bright spot on the defense in SB allowed a sub 20 passer rating ehen targeted that night. Hes one of thr few guys on that defense that would even start elsewhere that played that night Trey Flowers, mccourty, him. This is the 2nd time in this decade the patriots played in the sb with a majority of defenseive players that wouldnt start anywhere else Sorry. I meant everyone hated Gilmore in NE until he broke up that pass against the Jags. He was a good pass defender here and finally came around at the end of the season for NE but his biggest criticism was he didn't try to tackle anyone in the open field. If he was on them, he would tackle them but he never tried to chase anyone down or would give up chasing.
ndirish1978 Posted February 28, 2018 Posted February 28, 2018 Peace out Preston. Don't let the door hit ya where the good lord split ya.
apuszczalowski Posted February 28, 2018 Posted February 28, 2018 18 hours ago, billsbackto81 said: The NFL’s reigning tackles leader has watched former Bills teammates stampede out of Buffalo and turn into stars with the Patriots. Seriously? There biggest star to date has been Hogan and it's a stretch to call him a "star". Mike G - disgruntled, benched and probably cut. Scott Chandler- Really? Gilmore - Toasted early and often but ended decent. Far from "star status" and not worth the contract. What ? player am I missing? The guy they picked off their PS and everyone went crazy over because he made a few plays in his first game?
Doc Posted February 28, 2018 Posted February 28, 2018 32 minutes ago, jmc12290 said: 8 good games Gaines? He hasn't been healthy in his whole career and you'd give him that deal? Talib is on the tail end of his career. A 6 year deal would be far too much. Heavens no, I wouldn't give Gaines $13M/year. I'm talking about 10 (at least) CB's I'd put above him.
BringBackOrton Posted February 28, 2018 Posted February 28, 2018 17 minutes ago, Doc said: Heavens no, I wouldn't give Gaines $13M/year. I'm talking about 10 (at least) CB's I'd put above him. Can you answer my question?
Doc Posted February 28, 2018 Posted February 28, 2018 14 minutes ago, jmc12290 said: Can you answer my question? I wouldn't give any CB $13M/year. Much less Gilmore.
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted February 28, 2018 Posted February 28, 2018 Brown had a lot of issues with zone coverage this year. I just seem to remember constantly being either too deep or too shallow and getting beat at the sticks on 3rd and long.
26CornerBlitz Posted February 28, 2018 Posted February 28, 2018 Beane says the Bills want Preston Brown back.
thebandit27 Posted February 28, 2018 Posted February 28, 2018 1 hour ago, Doc said: I wouldn't give any CB $13M/year. Much less Gilmore. Then you're going to need to keep drafting them relatively high in perpetuity...which is fine as long as you have a franchise QB
BringBackOrton Posted February 28, 2018 Posted February 28, 2018 1 hour ago, Doc said: I wouldn't give any CB $13M/year. Much less Gilmore. Okay, so the top 7 CB's in the NFL are all overpaid?
Kirby Jackson Posted February 28, 2018 Posted February 28, 2018 19 minutes ago, thebandit27 said: Then you're going to need to keep drafting them relatively high in perpetuity...which is fine as long as you have a franchise QB I can think of one member of this board whose head will explode!! He lives in NY and loves Alabama...
swnybillsfan Posted February 28, 2018 Posted February 28, 2018 7 hours ago, Niagara Dude said: Let him go, not worth trying to overpay this guy with average skills. Would not pay him more then 4 years 15 mill total with 8 mill guaranteed i'm not advocating overpaying him for what he is worth, i am just saying that he is a good, smart, durable player that has value on this team. if he can get a paycheck elsewhere, good for him. and if we can find an upgrade at the position, then good for us.
Kelly101 Posted February 28, 2018 Posted February 28, 2018 21 hours ago, kdiggz said: No wonder he just stood there. I'm not a lip reader but it looks like he's saying "nice hit Gronk" wow he could have actually pushed gronk out the way I'm reminded again how huge of an !@#$ gronk is.
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