Kwai San Posted February 27, 2018 Posted February 27, 2018 2 hours ago, JohnBonhamRocks said: What if they do a quick calculation and penalize them the difference between the spot of the foul and 15 yards? Frankly I do not trust the NFL braintrust to do ANYTHING quick - ESPECIALLY during a game!!! More commercial revenue for them - no way.
ddaryl Posted February 27, 2018 Posted February 27, 2018 2 hours ago, co_springs_billsfan said: Pats* received the most yards gained via pass interference in the league in 2017: http://www.nflpenalties.com/penalty/defensive-pass-interference?year=2017 If a rule change hurts them more than the Bills I am in favor of it. :-) it only hurts us because Brady is an accurate passer, and CB's are desperate to not get burnt. but once Brady is gone that is going to change for the Pats.. Little late to wish this upon Brady and his career. I am not in the favor of the PI rule change idea.... the reason it was spot foul is to make a CB think hard about not interfering because its a drastic penalty. If you implement this rule you will see CB's gang raping WR's that have a step on them because its only a 15 yd penalty and not a 25 ++++ penalty. It will become worth it to interfere.. Especially if you have a solid D that can afford to cough up a few 15yd PI penalties
JohnBonhamRocks Posted February 27, 2018 Posted February 27, 2018 (edited) Agree with the notion that DBs will just take down WRs who have a step. If this rule is implemented, then I cannot wait to see the reaction of the first fanbase that is the victim of their WR about to haul in an 80 yard TD only to get 1st and 10 on their own 35 yard line. 9 minutes ago, Kwai San said: Frankly I do not trust the NFL braintrust to do ANYTHING quick - ESPECIALLY during a game!!! More commercial revenue for them - no way. That's generous of you. I do not trust they have a full human brain between them all. Edited February 27, 2018 by JohnBonhamRocks 1
BillsFan130 Posted February 27, 2018 Posted February 27, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, Jay_Fixit said: Hopefully the defensive holding calls resulting in an automatic first down is on the table. Horrible rule. If it’s 3rd and long and a defender is even somewhat beat, he would just pull the receiver down because it would still be 3rd down after the foul. He wouldn’t risk giving up the yards for the first down 1 hour ago, Royale with Cheese said: One rule that needs to change is the holding of a WR on a pass play. If it's a 5 yard penalty, why is it an automatic 1st down if the distance was more than 5 yards? Why should a 5 yard penalty on a 3rd and 13 be an automatic 1st down? It should be 3rd and 8. They would just pull the receivers down on 3rd and long if they were even somewhat beat. It would just result in more flags and less big plays Edited February 27, 2018 by billsfan11
Royale with Cheese Posted February 27, 2018 Posted February 27, 2018 16 minutes ago, billsfan11 said: If it’s 3rd and long and a defender is even somewhat beat, he would just pull the receiver down because it would still be 3rd down after the foul. He wouldn’t risk giving up the yards for the first down They would just pull the receivers down on 3rd and long if they were even somewhat beat. It would just result in more flags and less big plays The samething happens now with this rule in place. Offsides doesn’t give a automatic 1st if the down and distance is greater than 5 yards. IMO, it should be the same with defensive holding.
TheFunPolice Posted February 27, 2018 Posted February 27, 2018 maybe the issue isn't the rule itself but the way it's called? I don't seem to recall constant PI flags and defensive holding 15 years ago. Just make it a foul that is only called when it is egregious. So many ticky tack BS calls of all kinds are ruining the games at times. Which is why suddenly in the Super Bowls the flags go away and we get better games to watch.
Buffalo_Stampede Posted February 27, 2018 Posted February 27, 2018 About time. Also stop with trying to have penalties reviewed. They can't handle reviews now. We need less reviews not more. 1
LA Grant Posted February 27, 2018 Posted February 27, 2018 2 hours ago, cage said: Couldn't they do it the same way they've modified "roughing the kicker"? There's a 5 yd version and a 15 yd automatic first down version. A close, aggressive play where there was some contact could be a 15 yard penalty (hand on the back, hands on should or arm as ball is arriving...). However blatant PI, obvious mugging, not even turning to play the ball is a spot foul. Also gives referees some latitude on late "hail mary" passes. Those heaves always make me nervous that the offense will get a cheap PI penalty,... not sure how much that actually happens. Anyway, penalty could be at the discretion of referee. This seems like the obvious solution. 15 yards for non-intentional, run-of-the-mill, grabby but not violent Pass Interference. Spot foul for "tackling the guy because he beat you" or other such flagrant violations. Personally I'd also add on an ejection to that kind of cheap shot, too.
Jobot Posted February 27, 2018 Posted February 27, 2018 So many terrible "rules".... Every "rule" is a judgment call in this league. This sport is F'd I now understand why other sports are always super stubborn to change a thing.
Royale with Cheese Posted February 27, 2018 Posted February 27, 2018 Just now, LA Grant said: This seems like the obvious solution. 15 yards for non-intentional, run-of-the-mill, grabby but not violent Pass Interference. Spot foul for "tackling the guy because he beat you" or other such flagrant violations. Personally I'd also add on an ejection to that kind of cheap shot, too. Yeah similar to NBA flagrant fouls. Good idea. 1
Foxx Posted February 27, 2018 Posted February 27, 2018 3 hours ago, K-9 said: Agree it’s not a good idea. Gonna be open season on every receiver who beats his man deep. why not have it weighted? if the D gets something like 3 PI penalties then it automatically becomes a spot foul? spitballin' here.
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted February 27, 2018 Posted February 27, 2018 3 hours ago, billsfan11 said: I can see both sides. 1. A long pass interference call can seriously impact the game. And a lot of the time those calls are very ticky tack. 2. On the other side, players will just tackle the player if they are beat on a deep throw. They would be more than happy to concede the 15 yards. It’s a lose lose either way in my opinion. Overall I would slightly prefer them to keep the rule as is, but let the players play more and don’t call it PI unless it really impacts the play. ...perhaps (another rule) would be two types as in running into the kicker and roughing the kicker....Pass Interference is the new 15 yarder....Intentional Pass Interference (your example of tackling WR) is the spot foul.......and Hoculi can take 10 minutes to explain it.......... 1
The Wiz Posted February 27, 2018 Posted February 27, 2018 (edited) I'm curious about the wording of "up to a 15 yard penalty". Does that mean it is a spot foul up to 15 yards? I get the overall consensus that if a receiver beats a guy then they are going to just tackle them to save a possible TD for a 15 yard DPI. Something like this is what the Pats live for(DPI at the spot of the foul) but I'm sure other teams have benefited from late game DPI and won games. I honestly think it puts the game more on the offense to be better and score without the refs help. Anything the NFL can do to keep the refs from determining the outcome of a game (intentional or not) is a good thing IMO. Edited February 27, 2018 by The Wiz
BillsFan130 Posted February 27, 2018 Posted February 27, 2018 34 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: The samething happens now with this rule in place. Offsides doesn’t give a automatic 1st if the down and distance is greater than 5 yards. IMO, it should be the same with defensive holding. Offsides are incidental penalties though. No one purposely goes offside. Players would intentionally hall people down if they were beat
dulles Posted February 27, 2018 Posted February 27, 2018 3 hours ago, reddogblitz said: In college guys run around wide open without a DB in sight. That's why it's OK for college football. That is exactly what I was thinking. How many highlight-reel touchdowns are thrown without a defender within a country mile of the WR? That's why evaluating QB play at the college level is so difficult. Gotta say that I don't like the idea of the 15 yard penalty. Just imagine how aggressive the Seahawks or similar teams would be with that type of arrangement.
stevewin Posted February 27, 2018 Posted February 27, 2018 4 hours ago, co_springs_billsfan said: Pats* received the most yards gained via pass interference in the league in 2017: http://www.nflpenalties.com/penalty/defensive-pass-interference?year=2017 If a rule change hurts them more than the Bills I am in favor of it. :-) My first thought was that this would mitigate the Pats** bread and butter play. No doubt though with rule change they would just then get two or three in a drive instead of the single ones today which put them in scoring position.
Fadingpain Posted February 27, 2018 Posted February 27, 2018 Needs to be a double foul type thing like with roughing the kicker/running into the kicker. If blatant, it's a spot foul. If more 50/50 play, 15 yard penalty. 2
26CornerBlitz Posted February 27, 2018 Author Posted February 27, 2018 They are also considering a targeting rule for the upcoming season that I hope will not be implemented.
MrEpsYtown Posted February 27, 2018 Posted February 27, 2018 1 hour ago, LA Grant said: This seems like the obvious solution. 15 yards for non-intentional, run-of-the-mill, grabby but not violent Pass Interference. Spot foul for "tackling the guy because he beat you" or other such flagrant violations. Personally I'd also add on an ejection to that kind of cheap shot, too. Good idea, but I just think that this is putting too much interpretation out there for the few again, so you have the same problem as in the refs are dumb and make weird, corrupt decisions. This is rule change might just ruin the game. I coach high school football and we train our corners to commit PI when beat because they are preventing a touchdown and it's 15 yards. 2
DCOrange Posted February 27, 2018 Posted February 27, 2018 I’d like to see pass interference implemented like clear path fouls in the NBA. Basically, if you’re not the last line of defense, it’s 15 yards. If you’re beat and there’s no help over the top, it’s a spot foul.
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