Bills can kill 2 birds with 1 stone

[Saxum]

2 hours ago, Original Byrd Man said:

Miller ended up in the dog house when he struggled with the wonderful Zone blocking scheme.  Evidently Dennison never heard the old saying "if it ain't broke don't fixit".  Also Vlad was evidently a love child of Castillo.  Hopefully things change this year.  I also don't expect Glenn to last.  I think he will be part of a draft deal.

Castillo was signed before OC last year and I do not expect it or use of Vlad.

[Augie]

11 minutes ago, Rico said:

Kill the big bird with many stones and trade up please.

 

Big bird is an endangered species, and a favorite among youngsters. Be sure you don’t get caught. 

[Saxum]

14 minutes ago, Rico said:

Kill the big bird with many stones and trade up please.

 

Kill the stoners and make the world better.

[Buffalo716]

2 minutes ago, NewEra said:

So, why would Groy play guard this year, when he’s the backup center?  Or do we have to draft 2 centers, price and his backup.

 

Sorry if this has has been asked and answered already. Just started reading the thread

 

That's a good question... you can certainly have Groy play Center and Price guard but you would want a blue chipper like Price as the Center making the line calls

 

Centers can usually transition to guard pretty smoothly...

 

we can sign a backup perhaps after the draft if we went this route

[B-Man]

 I think that you could trade down your #21 to #30 , pick up another pick (stone) and still kill your bird (Price)

 

 

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[Fadingpain]

3 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

So if Jackson were available at 21-22 you would say "pass" at this point?

 

I would love to have Jackson or Rudolph in the 2nd (or even Allen) but if they're there when we pick at 21-22, no guarantee they make it into the 2nd.

 

I'm with you on TT, in fact one step further: keep until we have another QB who demonstrates they can play better

Not interested in Jackson at any spot; that's an EJ type pick (a waste before it's even made).

 

Rudolph OK but we need more of a QB plan than "build up the OL".

 

We can build the Berlin Wall in front of the QB, but if it is still going to be Tyrod or someone about that good, we still won't do a ton of winning.

 

I think the Bills are going to wheel and deal and get us a QB.

 

Can't wait to see if that is true or not.

[billspro]

4 hours ago, Buffalo716 said:

 

Obviously these QBs can develop and become better than what they are 

 

but right now I would only be comfortable taking Rosen, Darnold and Baker round 1...

 

if jackson and Rudolph and even Allen fell to round 2 the value is would be good... they won't have as much pressure and can sit for a while and develop 

 

At this point I don't get rid of TT until we have another QB

 

This is such a deep QB class, it is a good year to need a QB. I think Rosen and Darnold will most likely go 1 and 2, Mayfield will probably go between 5 and 15. The next cluster of QBs is where it gets interesting because there is not much separation. Allen is tough to figure out, he could go from top 10 to the end of round 2. I believe Jackson and White will go in round 2 and there is a good chance Rudolph goes in round 2 as well. I watched games on all the QBs over the weekend and I have Mike White as the fourth QB (I know none of the draft experts agree with that but they are wrong all of the time). You don't find many seniors that have his arm strength, accuracy, and production that make it into the second round. 

 

I completely agree though, those are the guys I have a first round grade on. Allen has major red flags (completion percentage, accuracy drops off after first read, misses easy throws), Jackson has great tools and should be the next Vick with a creative OC but if you don't have one he will fail, and I am not sure Rudolph has the arm strength of a starting NFL QB. I still need to watch more games on Falk, I didn't see many NFL throws on tape, that offence if tough to evaluate. 

5 hours ago, Buffalo716 said:

 

I think Vander Esch is creeping up... but he is pretty raw. Doesn't have much time on the field

 

Ya he will probably go in round 2 unless he blows up the combine. 

[Cripple Creek]

5 hours ago, Mark Vader said:

And who would you take at 22? Is there a way for us to kill 3 birds with one stone?

They don't do math in CA?

[#34fan]

3 hours ago, BillsVet said:

Drafting interior OL, LB, DT, or S high without being much better at QB is a recipe for failure or, even worse, mediocrity. 

 

Those are nice to have positions, but spending premium draft picks on them is typically not the answer. Players there don't effect the final score enough in most cases to be worth first round picks. 

 

 

No LB or DT huh?... What happens when your highly touted rookie turns the ball over three times vs. a team that can run the rock?

 

With Dareus gone, I'd want Da'ron Payne around to soak up that run... Rashaan Evans to help him clean up... 

 

A. Donald was already a permanent fixture on that D-line when Goff showed up... Kroenke made sure his rookie had a strong supporting cast with plenty of

 

help at RB, WR, and TE...

 

You don't build a house roof-first.

Edited February 26, 2018 by #34fan

[8-8 Forever?]

6 hours ago, Happy Gilmore said:

 

I thought I remember reading (forget which site/article) that Miller suffered under Dennison's zone blocking scheme.  Miller is more of a straight ahead power blocker.

Yep.   Miller will be back now that the crazy stretch blocking crap has gone to where Rex's crazy D is.  the trash heap.  

[#34fan]

2 hours ago, Limeaid said:

 

Kill the stoners and make the world better.

 

No. Stone the Killers and make the world better.

[Da webster guy]

Groy did well at center, he was retained for that reason.    On the other hand, we simply have too many holes in our front 7 that need addressing I just can't imagine not hammering two young first round defensive starters if we stayed put. 

[#34fan]

55 minutes ago, Da webster guy said:

Groy did well at center, he was retained for that reason.    On the other hand, we simply have too many holes in our front 7 that need addressing I just can't imagine not hammering two young first round defensive starters if we stayed put. 

 

1st round talent for D-line  would be a HUGE get... We had the 28th-ranked run D at the end of last season... Da'ron Payne makes perfect sense if he's there... 

 

I personally think Jackson is two years awayfrom being anything REMOTELY like a a pro QB, but hell... If he's there in the 2nd pull the trigger... Some on the

 

board think the undersized Maurice Hurst would work at 21 or 22.. I'd have to say NO WAY to that... My pick at DT is Payne...  LB Rashaan Evans in Versatile,

 

intuitive, and speedy... I understand teams being afraid of theGroin-injury issue, but that's why you do your homework... Payne at 21, and (if he's healthy)

 

Evans at 22, and lets go BILLS D!!!!

 

 

Edited February 26, 2018 by #34fan

[Ga boy]

8 hours ago, frostbitmic said:

4 birds with 2 stones would be better ... Do as the OP mentioned and then at #22 draft Lamar Jackson ... He could be our starting QB and Tyrod could be our #2 RB, #3 WR, kickoff return specialist and wildcat guy.

Isn't that a covey of birds with 2 stones??

[transplantbillsfan]

Good God this draft and Free Agency period is going to be super exciting!

 

Wood's unfortunate retirement makes this a serious possibility. But without even looking at any of the responses yet, I'll ask the question impact sure multiple posters have asked you:

 

Who's the QB? 

Edited February 26, 2018 by transplantbillsfan

[John from Riverside]

I think this really needs to be the year we take a stab at QB....unless we are going to back up the brinks truck for Cousins

 

I like players like Miller at RG and Groy at C.......

[ghostwriter]

We're like fish at the bottom of the ocean waiting for leftovers to sink down to us. We don't know what we're going to be eating, but something is going to drop.

[BillsVet]

2 hours ago, #34fan said:

 

No LB or DT huh?... What happens when your highly touted rookie turns the ball over three times vs. a team that can run the rock?

 

With Dareus gone, I'd want Da'ron Payne around to soak up that run... Rashaan Evans to help him clean up... 

 

A. Donald was already a permanent fixture on that D-line when Goff showed up... Kroenke made sure his rookie had a strong supporting cast with plenty of

 

help at RB, WR, and TE...

 

You don't build a house roof-first.

 

I didn't say not to improve the LB or DT positions, just that spending first rounders isn't what will make this a strong team.  From a resource allocation perspective I'll find LBs and DT's later in the draft and use premium picks on the hard to find positions. And if that means trading up for a QB then so be it. 

 

Few people know who plays DT for the Jaguars. Or, who the LBs are for Philadelphia. Or New England's OG's or safeties. 

 

McD didn't trade down so far last year to make sure he had the picks to get a DT or LB. He knew it'd take more draft capital in 2018 to move up for, I suspect, the QB.  Whether that happens now is another matter but I can't see this team entering the coming season without a QB prospect.

 

Besides, I wouldn't be depending so heavily on rookies to come in and provide the difference in the front 7 like you are. 

[cba fan]

9 hours ago, Mark Vader said:

And who would you take at 22? Is there a way for us to kill 3 birds with one stone?

lol...yes.

 

A Treepeat.......

[ghostwriter]

Man, too bad Quenton Nelson is a top 10 lock, he is a future HOFer, he is my favorite player in the draft. I think Connor Williams is going to be an All Pro RT as well. If Cordy Glenn is traded, Dawkins and Connor Williams would make for a disgusting OL.