Rocky Landing Posted February 27, 2018 Posted February 27, 2018 41 minutes ago, BuffAlone said: Straight line brother. No curvature. Praise be to those that lusten to God's word, not mine. And God said, let there be a firmament to seperate the waters of the Earth, from the waters ABOVE the Earth! 4 corners of the Earth....not on a globe. The pillars of the Earth(to hold it up) not on a globe. Just saying. Find me 2 identical pictures if the Earth, amd I shall bow to your genius? He said that? Who was he talking to? 3 minutes ago, DC Tom said: I'm still not clear what he thinks different pictures of the Earth being different should prove. It usually proves the Earth is spherical. This all makes perfect sense if you could just understand that a fact is just another opinion.
Royale with Cheese Posted February 27, 2018 Posted February 27, 2018 6 minutes ago, DC Tom said: I'm still not clear what he thinks different pictures of the Earth being different should prove. It usually proves the Earth is spherical. I don’t understand it either.
Augie Posted February 27, 2018 Posted February 27, 2018 2 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said: Look if you want to contend that the earth is flat expect to catch a lot of flack for it. We are also at the center of the universe. Get with the times. Well, “those” times. Then you have some catch up to play... 1
DC Tom Posted February 27, 2018 Posted February 27, 2018 Just now, ShadyBillsFan said: Look if you want to contend that the earth is flat expect to catch a lot of flack for it. Especially if he wants to do it stupidly. Look, I have an open mind: create a theory of a flat Earth that explains the inverse-square law of gravity, magnetic fields and aurora, orbital mechanics including lunar eclipses, Foucault pendulums, maritime navigation (incl. circumnavigation), precession of the Earth's axis, and air travel, and I'll accept it if it's not stupidly done. But it'll be stupidly done. Because you cannot make a coherent flat Earth theory.
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted February 27, 2018 Posted February 27, 2018 1 minute ago, DC Tom said: That doesn't prove the Earth is round, that just proves a plate is moving with respect to another one.. Of course, that would prove plate tectonics, which only works if the Earth is round...unless Big Seismology is faking the mid-Atlantic Ridge. WAKE UP SHEEPLE! Correct it doesn’t prove it’s round I’m trying to determine where the flat earth starts and ends. I have flown as far to the East as Delhi India and as far to the West as Sydney Australia. So the end must be somewhere in between those tow points. Or was I flying in circles?
Augie Posted February 27, 2018 Posted February 27, 2018 2 minutes ago, Rocky Landing said: He said that? Who was he talking to? This all makes perfect sense if you could just understand that a fact is just another opinion. 1) I hear little voices sometimes. Was it me? 2) I have a sister-in-law who confuses her opinion with fact. I hope she’s not that little voice. Ever.
DC Tom Posted February 27, 2018 Posted February 27, 2018 1 minute ago, Augie said: We are also at the center of the universe. Get with the times. Well, “those” times. I know I am. Or I can be, whenever I want. Just a simple coordinate transformation. Again...it's not "right" or "wrong," it's how well your theory explains observation. I can make a geocentric solar system work...if you're willing to accept an infinite series of epicycles in a ridiculously complex polar coordinate system. Copernicus wasn't "right," he just developed a much more effective and useful theory.
stevestojan Posted February 27, 2018 Posted February 27, 2018 On 2/24/2018 at 2:14 PM, ndirish1978 said: Where's IK when you actually need him. This is an amazing post.
MTBill Posted February 27, 2018 Posted February 27, 2018 3 minutes ago, DC Tom said: No, it's not. Science is based on the idea that empirical observation is repeatable and consistent, and explanations can be developed that describe those empirical observations and predict new observations. Period. End of story. Yes - the scientific method is about repeatable consistent results - based on the data you have. It is not about the data you DON'T have - or the fact that you may make incorrect assumptions about data you don't have. This is where it is known and accepted that a future researcher can prove you wrong. Not because you were stupid, or ignorant. Because you did not have all of the information. Are egos crushed sometimes? Of course. Example - Geologists believed that changes to the surface only took place over long periods of time. They did not have answers about how the scablands of Washington were created. Along came a geologist in the 20th century who proposed that in actuality - the scablands were not the result of long erosion taking place - but were actually the result of violent Superfloods. It was very controversial. Eventually he "won" and geologists accepted that the scablands were the result of superfloods created by the Glacial Lake Missoula (where I happen to live). A glacial ice sheet dammed up the waters of the river system and created a giant pool of water. As a result of weakening or cracking - the ice dam broke (not once but several times over the course of the ice age). This rush of water washed away the topsoil of Eastern Washington - leaving it a veritable desert. Science is not gospel. It can be disproven later when new evidence is presented. This happens repeatedly in history and will continue to do so. This is how we can get theories which may will disprove the theory of relativity eventually. And those theories could be equally fallible. Most religious doctrine is passed along as infallible. If you find fault it is your own inadequacy, not the possibility that the pillars of your faith were incorrect. The stone tablets passed down to Moses in 500BC are the stone tablets. They were interpreted by at least 3 religions and formed the foundation of three large and powerful modern religions. The Old Testament, the Quran, and the Torah are all interpretations of these tablets.
DC Tom Posted February 27, 2018 Posted February 27, 2018 2 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said: Correct it doesn’t prove it’s round I’m trying to determine where the flat earth starts and ends. I have flown as far to the East as Delhi India and as far to the West as Sydney Australia. So the end must be somewhere in between those tow points. Or was I flying in circles? Do birds fly in circles? When Noah released the raven and dove from the Ark, did they fly in circles? No! Circles are a conspiracy of The Man, dude! 2
Augie Posted February 27, 2018 Posted February 27, 2018 3 minutes ago, DC Tom said: Especially if he wants to do it stupidly. Look, I have an open mind: create a theory of a flat Earth that explains the inverse-square law of gravity, magnetic fields and aurora, orbital mechanics including lunar eclipses, Foucault pendulums, maritime navigation (incl. circumnavigation), precession of the Earth's axis, and air travel, and I'll accept it if it's not stupidly done. But it'll be stupidly done. Because you cannot make a coherent flat Earth theory. This is where we need the genius that is Geno to make it clear for us. I’m sure he can straighten all this out.
DC Tom Posted February 28, 2018 Posted February 28, 2018 Just now, MTBill said: Yes - the scientific method is about repeatable consistent results - based on the data you have. It is not about the data you DON'T have - or the fact that you may make incorrect assumptions about data you don't have. This is where it is known and accepted that a future researcher can prove you wrong. Not because you were stupid, or ignorant. Because you did not have all of the information. Are egos crushed sometimes? Of course. That's a result of science. That's not the point of science. The point is to explain the observable universe as accurately and concisely as possible, period. 2
Royale with Cheese Posted February 28, 2018 Posted February 28, 2018 50 minutes ago, BuffAlone said: Straight line brother. No curvature. Praise be to those that lusten to God's word, not mine. And God said, let there be a firmament to seperate the waters of the Earth, from the waters ABOVE the Earth! 4 corners of the Earth....not on a globe. The pillars of the Earth(to hold it up) not on a globe. Just saying. Find me 2 identical pictures if the Earth, amd I shall bow to your genius? perhaps no phrase in Scripture has been so controversial as the phrase, “the four corners of the earth.” The word translated “corners,” as in the phrase above, is the Hebrew word, KANAPH. Kanaph is translated in a variety of ways. However, it generally means extremity. It is translated “borders” in Numbers 15:38. In Ezekiel 7:2 it is translated “four corners” and again in Isaiah 11:12 “four corners.” Job 37:3 and 38:13 as “ends.” The Greek equivalent in Revelation 7:1 is gonia. The Greek meaning is perhaps more closely related to our modern divisions known as quadrants. Gonia literally means angles, or divisions. It is customary to divide a map into quadrants as shown by the four directions. Some have tried to ridicule the Bible to say that it teaches that the Earth is square. The Scripture makes it quite clear that the Earth is a sphere (Isaiah 40:22). Some have tried to say there are four knobs, or peaks on a round Earth. Regardless of the various ways kanaph is translated, it makes reference to EXTREMITIES. https://christiananswers.net/q-eden/edn-c017.html
Like A Mofo Posted February 28, 2018 Posted February 28, 2018 25 minutes ago, BuffAlone said: Ok mofo....im not of shady's inside info, or expertise. I will try to post a pic from my phone, for the first time ever, just to show Are you sure that your Blackberry will provide us with an accurate photo?
Royale with Cheese Posted February 28, 2018 Posted February 28, 2018 30 minutes ago, BuffAlone said: Please dont insult my intelligence. Im merely offering a "what if" scenario. You are aware that ALL "pictures" of Earth are artist renderings, correct?? Why? When/if we spend that money, how the hell does Nasa release 1.5 megapixel images? Lmao. It’s kinda hard to not insult your intelligence when your biggest evidence of earth being flat is not having two similar photos. Do you know how easy it easy to create two similar photos?
DC Tom Posted February 28, 2018 Posted February 28, 2018 3 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: perhaps no phrase in Scripture has been so controversial as the phrase, “the four corners of the earth.” The word translated “corners,” as in the phrase above, is the Hebrew word, KANAPH. Kanaph is translated in a variety of ways. However, it generally means extremity. It is translated “borders” in Numbers 15:38. In Ezekiel 7:2 it is translated “four corners” and again in Isaiah 11:12 “four corners.” Job 37:3 and 38:13 as “ends.” The Greek equivalent in Revelation 7:1 is gonia. The Greek meaning is perhaps more closely related to our modern divisions known as quadrants. Gonia literally means angles, or divisions. It is customary to divide a map into quadrants as shown by the four directions. Some have tried to ridicule the Bible to say that it teaches that the Earth is square. The Scripture makes it quite clear that the Earth is a sphere (Isaiah 40:22). Some have tried to say there are four knobs, or peaks on a round Earth. Regardless of the various ways kanaph is translated, it makes reference to EXTREMITIES. https://christiananswers.net/q-eden/edn-c017.html Also important to note that any surface constrains you to two degrees of freedom - meaning you have only four cardinal directions you can move in. Which is just as good an explanation of translation to "four corners" as anything.
MTBill Posted February 28, 2018 Posted February 28, 2018 Just now, DC Tom said: That's a result of science. That's not the point of science. The point is to explain the observable universe as accurately and concisely as possible, period. "Point" taken. I view the "as possible" as being the important point here - all science can be disproven and replaced with a more accurate theory. Faith is immutable in general. You must believe X to be a 'believer' - and deviation makes you a sinner or a pagan. Not to really throw a wrench here - but I believe in evolution. It has gaps which have yet to be fully understood - but I believe in general that we are what we are because of evolution - and we ain't what we ain't for the same reasons. (with acknowledgement and apologies to John Prine) It is a theory and I 'believe' in it. I also happen to believe there is some creator - I am not sure what it is, but I believe I exist and at some level something created me - even if I am merely a wisp of air in some cosmic test tube.
BuffAlone Posted February 28, 2018 Posted February 28, 2018 Another one https://youtu.be/uRoJZtWRswY 2 minutes ago, MTBill said: "Point" taken. I view the "as possible" as being the important point here - all science can be disproven and replaced with a more accurate theory. Faith is immutable in general. You must believe X to be a 'believer' - and deviation makes you a sinner or a pagan. Not to really throw a wrench here - but I believe in evolution. It has gaps which have yet to be fully understood - but I believe in general that we are what we are because of evolution - and we ain't what we ain't for the same reasons. (with acknowledgement and apologies to John Prine) It is a theory and I 'believe' in it. I also happen to believe there is some creator - I am not sure what it is, but I believe I exist and at some level something created me - even if I am merely a wisp of air in some cosmic test tube. Love me some John Prine!! 6 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: It’s kinda hard to not insult your intelligence when your biggest evidence of earth being flat is not having two similar photos. Do you know how easy it easy to create two similar photos? Exactly! Couldn't have said it better myself. Yet you think that all those different "pics" prove your point that im not intelligent? Lmfbo dummy! 11 minutes ago, Like A Mofo said: Are you sure that your Blackberry will provide us with an accurate photo? I have no blackberry. Just a simpleton here with simple observations. And honestly, I hadn't made up my mind yet.just taking all information I have before me to make up my own mind. Does that make me an ignorant dumbass?
Augie Posted February 28, 2018 Posted February 28, 2018 I did not see this turning out in this fashion. My bad.
BuffAlone Posted February 28, 2018 Posted February 28, 2018 9 minutes ago, DC Tom said: Also important to note that any surface constrains you to two degrees of freedom - meaning you have only four cardinal directions you can move in. Which is just as good an explanation of translation to "four corners" as anything. There are NO angles on a sphere. Period
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