Sweats Posted February 24, 2018 Posted February 24, 2018 I actually really don’t care who our QB is.....if the guy can score more than a FG in a playoff game, then he’s the guy for me.
racketmaster Posted February 24, 2018 Posted February 24, 2018 I would be open to the idea if the Bills committed to running a system that fit Taylor and Jackson. It would not be my first choice as I would prefer the Bills to get one of the top quarterbacks (Darnold, Rosen, Allen, Mayfield). But if they are unable to move up, then this might be a decent backup plan. Although, the same complaints many posters have had about Tyrod are likely to continue with Jackson. He is limited as a passer right now and probably will never develop into an elite passer (he has too far to go and I just don't see that happening). However, Jackson is an elite runner and has tremendous natural arm talent so he is a threat to defenses (even more than Tyrod).
FearLess Price Posted February 24, 2018 Posted February 24, 2018 Rosen or Mayfield. Trade up. Do whatever it takes. Just dont go full Ditka.
BuffaloMatt Posted February 24, 2018 Posted February 24, 2018 (edited) 12 hours ago, Dkollidas said: Having listened to Beane talk about what they’re looking for in a quarterback, I don’t honk either guy fits the Bill. i could totally see them going after a vet like Bradford, McCown, even Bortles if he’s cut, and then drafting someone to sit behind the vet. Even Bridgewater is a possibility. As for draft quarterbacks, I think they’ll go after Darnold/Allen/Rudolph. I think Rudolph will interview well and he might have a better head for the game than most think. What did Tavaris Jackson get for never throwing a pass for the Bills? 1.5 mill? Yeah let's keep throwing money out the freaking window with QBs who are best served as career backups. Yes they may get you to the playoffs as a starter BUT think about it this. How many times did we score 3 points. .......... Mike drop! DK F'd up wasn't responding to you. Just in response to OP. My B. Edited February 24, 2018 by BuffaloMatt
Tatonka68 Posted February 24, 2018 Posted February 24, 2018 Great, two quarterbacks who cannot pass. When will people learn.
greeneblitz Posted February 24, 2018 Posted February 24, 2018 Mobile QBs are almost always terrible after defenses figure them out, never again I hope.
BADOLBILZ Posted February 24, 2018 Posted February 24, 2018 14 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Agree, Domdab if you wander over to the Eliot Crist e v a l of Jackson thread look at the .gifs. There are some of throws where I was "yeah, you know what, Tyrod would never make that throw because he'd have bailed out and run by then". And you know it's not that Jackson couldn't, the point is, he doesn't I don't think the Bills will draft him. I think they're all in for a big pocket passer type. Jackson is a more gifted thrower of the football than Taylor. But Jackson is also a high pedigree star........if he ends up being a first round pick that pedigree will get him a large margin for error and multiple chances to be a starting QB in the NFL. Taylor entered the league as a 6th rounder..........he hit FA with zero fanfare and had to scrap to get his shot and he knows that he has little margin for error wrt to things like turnovers so he has become a naturally ultra-cautious pro QB. And he's wise to be that way.......if he puts up a 20 TD and 12 INT season he's getting benched and cut regardless of the circumstances.........by not putting up a concerning stat line like that he may actually get another shot to start somewhere in the NFL.
Hapless Bills Fan Posted February 24, 2018 Posted February 24, 2018 (edited) 4 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Can you explain what in Mayfield's game leads you to describe him as a "cerebral pocket passer"? Not saying he couldn't become one, just saying that's not his "Now". 3 hours ago, SouthNYfan said: I don't think Baker is Johnny 2.0 with his personality/character by any means, that's absurd to me, but his playstyle is similar, but I think baker's strengths will translate to the NFL better. (....) He is about as far from a "cerebral pocket passer" as this qb draft has though. That's pretty well where I am. I think Mayfield may become a good, possibly great NFL QB. He's got that fire. He can be electrifying. He may even one day become a "cerebral pocket passer" But that would be then. This is now. If we want a "cerebral pocket passer" in this draft, it's either Rosen, a pocket-passer in development like Jackson (depending on how he comes across in his interviews), or a guy who looks the part of a cerebral pocket passer against lower levels of competition (White, Lauletta) and who may not have/may never develop the arm to compete in the NFL. Edited February 24, 2018 by Hapless Bills Fan 1
Augie Posted February 24, 2018 Posted February 24, 2018 3 hours ago, Sweats said: I actually really don’t care who our QB is.....if the guy can score more than a FG in a playoff game, then he’s the guy for me. So.......two FG’s is OK?
Hapless Bills Fan Posted February 24, 2018 Posted February 24, 2018 17 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said: Taylor entered the league as a 6th rounder..........he hit FA with zero fanfare and had to scrap to get his shot and he knows that he has little margin for error wrt to things like turnovers so he has become a naturally ultra-cautious pro QB. And he's wise to be that way.......if he puts up a 20 TD and 12 INT season he's getting benched and cut regardless of the circumstances.........by not putting up a concerning stat line like that he may actually get another shot to start somewhere in the NFL. I don't disagree with what you say, but Riddle me This: how did Fitzpatrick wrangle a 23 TD/15 INT season followed by a 24 TD/23 INT season, and still get another starting gig? 1
Augie Posted February 24, 2018 Posted February 24, 2018 2 hours ago, FearLess Price said: Rosen or Mayfield. Trade up. Do whatever it takes. Just dont go full Ditka. This might be the most interesting draft I can remember. You have to sit tight and be patient, keep your poker face on, see who drops and know when to pounce. Play this draft like a master and we can be in great shape going forward. EVERY draft is important, but this one is different. 5 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: I don't disagree with what you say, but Riddle me This: how did Fitzpatrick wrangle a 23 TD/15 INT season followed by a 24 TD/23 INT season, and still get another starting gig? There aren’t enough QB’s to go around? Maybe the snazzy beard? Probably one of those two things....
John from Riverside Posted February 24, 2018 Posted February 24, 2018 8 hours ago, xRUSHx said: Scroney legs Jackson and never throw it Tyrod, oh the future looks so bright. Run Tyrod run, run Jackson run. They can take turns on the IR while we continue with a new OC every season. Hopefully Cinci will give us that wild card again. As usual you dont know what your talking about Show me the year Tyrod has been on IR 4 hours ago, kdiggz said: I saw the Michael Vick 2.0 comparisons online. Michael Vick had success because he was built like a RB. Lamar Jackson is built like a WR. He will have some limited success because he is a playmaker but he will never be Vick. His build is more comparable to RG3 and we saw how long his toothpick legs lasted. Running QB's don't last very long at the NFL level and skinny running QB's last even less RG3 career was derailed too soon by a coach that played him hurt....he never recovered from it. Before that....he was the next big thing. 5 hours ago, Albwan said: only racists see racist ghosts around every corner. This is not true....
John from Riverside Posted February 24, 2018 Posted February 24, 2018 4 hours ago, SouthNYfan said: *Slowclap* Glad we agree (on Jackson too) It has been proven that pocket qbs are just as injured as running qbs......so I take no stock in people that want a "pocket passer" for durability reasons. The wanting a pocket passer so that he will actually throw the ball? Now that is valid.....I very much would like to see the "threat" of a running qb while he is allowing his playmakers earn their paychecks catching the ball....this is where Tyrod has failed in his seasons here. In the reports I have read....Jackson is not Tyrod Taylor on the field and actually is willing to throw the ball....people that make the comparisons are just being lazy. 1
BADOLBILZ Posted February 24, 2018 Posted February 24, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: I don't disagree with what you say, but Riddle me This: how did Fitzpatrick wrangle a 23 TD/15 INT season followed by a 24 TD/23 INT season, and still get another starting gig? Fitz hasn't gone anywhere in his career where the team thought he was going to start. Not even as a bridge. Always an afterthought who has gotten his chances due to injury. But he keeps getting those shots at being a #2 behind a shaky starter because he's perceived as a very smart, conventional offense guy. Fitz actually plays more like a very dumb guy who has to be schemed such that he can't beat his team with mistakes... which never happens and he beats his team with mistakes.....but that's the power of perception. Taylor's numbers are such that a team can actually justify bringing him in as a bridge........if only because teams that win the turnover battle win about 80% of the time.......it's the stat that transcends all the change in football and he is the NFL's least intercepted % passer of all time. But there is also that perception that he is dumb and not a conventional offense guy so without that conservative "won't get you beat" rep he could easily go adrift and not even get the chances Fitz gets. The question is......with among other examples, Philly just beating the Pats in the SB running a college offense....will teams be more willing to take chances on better players who need some scheme help to reach their potential like Taylor versus more conventional but lesser players like Fitz who just always get you beat in the end. Edited February 24, 2018 by BADOLBILZ
Hapless Bills Fan Posted February 24, 2018 Posted February 24, 2018 8 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said: Fitz hasn't gone anywhere in his career where the team thought he was going to start. That may be. But it just makes one shake one's head then, that with Trent Edwards and Brian Brohm as the other options, the Bills didn't do more for themselves at QB in 2008/2010 than acquire Fitz and draft Levi Brown in the 7th. 8 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said: (Fitz) keeps getting those shots at being a #2 behind a shaky starter because he's perceived as a very smart, conventional offense guy. (....) Taylor's numbers are such that a team can actually justify bringing him in as a bridge........But there is also that perception that he is dumb and not a conventional offense guy so without that conservative "won't get you beat" rep he could easily go adrift and not even get the chances Fitz gets. I know that this isn't at all your intent, but some people do perceive those as code for "he's white....and he's black"
stinky finger Posted February 24, 2018 Posted February 24, 2018 21 hours ago, Buffalo716 said: I don't want more running QBs. I want a cerebral pocket passer I've often wondered. Can running QBs be cerebral?
Buffalo716 Posted February 24, 2018 Posted February 24, 2018 4 minutes ago, inaugural balls said: I've often wondered. Can running QBs be cerebral? It depends on what you describe as a running QB? Russell Wilson is not your typical pocket passer but he is very Cerebral
BADOLBILZ Posted February 24, 2018 Posted February 24, 2018 9 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: That may be. But it just makes one shake one's head then, that with Trent Edwards and Brian Brohm as the other options, the Bills didn't do more for themselves at QB in 2008/2010 than acquire Fitz and draft Levi Brown in the 7th. I know that this isn't at all your intent, but some people do perceive those as code for "he's white....and he's black" That part certainly is Taylor's perception.........he's made that clear..........and it's his perception that drives his decision making. Wherever Lamar Jackson goes he will enter that situation on much more firm ground than Taylor ever has been............so it's more likely a lot of those Tony Romo "throw it!" situations that Taylor won't risk, Lamar will.
John from Riverside Posted February 24, 2018 Posted February 24, 2018 5 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said: That part certainly is Taylor's perception.........he's made that clear..........and it's his perception that drives his decision making. Wherever Lamar Jackson goes he will enter that situation on much more firm ground than Taylor ever has been............so it's more likely a lot of those Tony Romo "throw it!" situations that Taylor won't risk, Lamar will. I really think there is merit to what you are saying here Bado I have always felt that TT has always thought he was one big mistake away from getting benched....coaches love players that dont make mistakes.....so he doesnt pull the trigger at times when its a 50/50 who will come away with the ball Having said that.....the growing perception (and Im actually starting to buy into it a bit) is that NOT throwing the ball on a 50/50 in crucial situations with the game on the line and nothing to lose because you are gonna lose anyway.......Tyrod has to make that throw and does not. Personally....I like ball security.....but then you have to live with the offense that it produces....you must have a defense that will give you another chance with the ball.....and you must have playmakers on offense that will do something with a ball when they are around it.
BADOLBILZ Posted February 24, 2018 Posted February 24, 2018 12 minutes ago, John from Hemet said: I really think there is merit to what you are saying here Bado I have always felt that TT has always thought he was one big mistake away from getting benched....coaches love players that dont make mistakes.....so he doesnt pull the trigger at times when its a 50/50 who will come away with the ball Having said that.....the growing perception (and Im actually starting to buy into it a bit) is that NOT throwing the ball on a 50/50 in crucial situations with the game on the line and nothing to lose because you are gonna lose anyway.......Tyrod has to make that throw and does not. Personally....I like ball security.....but then you have to live with the offense that it produces....you must have a defense that will give you another chance with the ball.....and you must have playmakers on offense that will do something with a ball when they are around it. I think 90%+ of the Taylor gripes are actually about throws not made at points during the game when a turnover can swing the tide against you. But as for throws not made when getting hammered.........look at it from his perspective..........this team has made no financial commitment to him long term and on top of that they gave him the WORST WR situation in the league to work with........so why throw 4 interceptions into coverage mismatches against New Orleans when you know that making those throws won't win you the game......but will likely make quality employment harder for you next year?
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