Kim Pegula seeks compromise with players on social protests

[John in Jax]

17 minutes ago, BillsFan2313 said:

 

I don't have to be a SJW to call you a moron, that's just a cold hard fact for ya. 

LOL. I don't think that launching personal attacks on other board members is allowed, but hey, I may be wrong. You mad, bro?

[3rdand12]

6 hours ago, 87168 said:

of course is it. in all honesty, she's an Asian American, married to a white billionaire. she couldn't be further disconnected from the issue, yet she feels entitled to weigh in on how it "hurts" business, while people are losing their lives. 

 

please.

 

she's from Fairport. Not Perinton

get a grip Man

[Rob's House]

6 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

They need to shut up and play!!!

 

now excuse me, but im going to post my opinion all over social media.

That's the exact point. They're free to speak their minds and protest however and whenever they want (as long as it's for politically correct causes) anywhere and everywhere they want except at work.

 

It's been stated over and over. I don't think you people are truly dumb enough to miss the distinction, nor do I think you give a brown **** about the principle you're purporting to support.

 

I think the only principle you're supporting is the right to impose YOUR point of view on people who don't want to hear it. 

[3rdand12]

3 hours ago, BuffaloHokie13 said:

Knowing what little I do about Kim, I'd imagine her message was in the vein of: If you have a cause you care about and you want to do something, please talk with us first and we can help make sure your message is clear and effective for all parties involved.

That is just crazy thinking right there.

 

3 hours ago, Robert James said:

What you say may generally be true in most work situations.  But if employees are required to stand at attention while the national flag is raised, the employer is essentially requiring them to make a political statement.  I don't believe it's proper for employers to put their employees in that position.  When placed in a situation which implies their support for the status quo in America, I think they act appropriately by simply kneeling down to negate that implication.  What if the Pegulas decide to have the players stand while the Nazi flag or an NRA banner is raised before public practices?  Would the answer be, "you're at work, do what your boss tells you to do?"

Neither do I.

But they can. 

2 hours ago, cd1 said:

FCOL - Just stop televising the National Anthem!!!  Case closed.

 

Why the hell is it so important to televise it anyway? 

Fans in the Stadium are unhappy.
ticket sales. fool

[Augie]

3 minutes ago, 3rdand12 said:

That is just crazy thinking right there.

 

No kidding! I mean, that sounds like....real people who think and act rationally! We should have NONE of that around here. 

[3rdand12]

9 minutes ago, Augie said:

No kidding! I mean, that sounds like....real people who think and act rationally! We should have NONE of that around here. 

I am considering turning him in to the Authorities.

[Rocky Landing]

1 hour ago, John in Jax said:

LOL. I don't think that launching personal attacks on other board members is allowed, but hey, I may be wrong. You mad, bro?

Well, to be fair, you kinda brought it upon yourself. You managed to submit the absolute dumbest post in an exceedingly dumb thread. Personally, I say BRAVO!

[Robert James]

2 hours ago, Dan said:

Actually, it would be. ..or quit because you don't like the way your boss is running the business.   But, if you collect a paycheck from someone, then while on the clock in their uniform, decide to make a statement about anything.. You need to think about how that is going to sit with the person signing your check.   I agree, these players are more than normal employees. They're public figures and role models.  But that's even more the reason they need to be aware of how their stances affect the team.

 

To use your example... Would a team sign a guy to a long term, high priced contract if he was a confessed and vocal nazi?  I doubt it.  So why should they be expected to support and just allow that same player to fly a nazi flag before games after he signs his contract?   

 

We can go round and round with examples and scenarios.  But, like it or not, the employer decides what is considered appropriate workplace behavior, not the employee.   That's just the way it is.

Perhaps if you're working at Hardees, in an ordinary at-will employment setting, but you can't seriously believe these multi-million-dollar-a -year players and their agents negotiated contracts giving their teams carte-blanche authority to direct their actions in this way.  This is especially true given that, as you note, they are public figures, many of whom make a great deal of their income from endorsement deals.  Significant portions of their livelihoods depend on their ability to manage their public images, and they don't simply sign that away and then dedicate themselves to saying "yes boss." 

[stony]

3 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

Wait, what??  Kaep kneeled in the preseason of the 2016 season.  That's when it became an issue.  Trump didn't notice enough to chime in until more than a year later. 

 

And from Kim:

 

"They didn't grow up in the sports business world. They came in on the players' side. "

 

Yeah, well....you didn't exactly "grow up in the sports business world either...Mrs. Pegula.

 

I'm sure it's not her intention, but I can see where her take can seem condescending to some players.  Like, "hey this is a business. You have to consider our perspective of keeping this business as good as it is and has been, ifyaknowwhatimean...".

 

 

My thoughts too, regarding Ms. Pegula.  She and her husband don't articulate their thoughts well in public, do they?  

[BillsFan2313]

1 hour ago, John in Jax said:

LOL. I don't think that launching personal attacks on other board members is allowed, but hey, I may be wrong. You mad, bro?

 

I see, you are the type that can say whatever they want, but get offended when it comes your way. LOL at thinking I am mad, bro. You sound a little jealous and angry of the dumb as rocks jocks succeeding at life a lot more than you. 

[Mr. WEO]

6 minutes ago, stony said:

My thoughts too, regarding Ms. Pegula.  She and her husband don't articulate their thoughts well in public, do they?  

 

 

I mean she's addressing a bunch of guys who have parlayed their physical gifts through hard work into a great career.  They are likely seeing her as someone who married a rich guy who bought their team, and telling them "you know, think about the business"....

[Manther]

9 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

I like her perspective. Players hate owners who act like they control the players and ignore communication and compromise (ie Bob McNair)

Agreed

[Ol Dirty B]

9 hours ago, Mango said:

Ummm...okay?

 

Am I the only one who thinks this didn’t make sense. (Granted I’m in bed with a fever and the flu) Nobody had ever explained the other side

of the coin to black players? She then explain it was hurting business, which totally hasn’t been reported? And they were then like, “sorry boss, thanks for explaining. We will stop now”

 

This whole thing comes across as tone def and condescending.

 

This is how I read it too....

 

She kind of came across as an ass. 

[John in Jax]

9 hours ago, Rocky Landing said:

Well, to be fair, you kinda brought it upon yourself. You managed to submit the absolute dumbest post in an exceedingly dumb thread. Personally, I say BRAVO!

So because I have a different opinion than some other people.....and oh btw, that opinion is 100% fact.....you feel justified to call me dumb, or a moron!? 

 

Again, I don't think that's allowed by the TOS, but like I said earlier, maybe the rules have changed, and we're now clear to verbally attack other Bills' fans because we don't agree what with they say.

9 hours ago, BillsFan2313 said:

 

I see, you are the type that can say whatever they want, but get offended when it comes your way. LOL at thinking I am mad, bro. You sound a little jealous and angry of the dumb as rocks jocks succeeding at life a lot more than you. 

LMAO again. Saying things about players vs. attacking fellow posters are two very different things.

 

And your ASSumption about me is pure garbage, because you have absolutely no idea about me and my life. I live very comfortably and happily, and want for nothing. No anger and no jealousy here.

[SouthNYfan]

18 hours ago, 87168 said:

of course is it. in all honesty, she's an Asian American, married to a white billionaire. she couldn't be further disconnected from the issue, yet she feels entitled to weigh in on how it "hurts" business, while people are losing their lives. 

 

please.

 

 

She is "entitled to weigh in" because she owns the f*cking team, in which she was answering a question, regarding the exact topic she weighed in on.

 

 

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

1 minute ago, SouthNYfan said:

 

She is "entitled to weigh in" because she owns the f*cking team, in which she was answering a question, regarding the exact topic she weighed in on.

 

 

 

Exactly and all this bloviating by sjw in this thread is obnoxious. 

Edited February 24, 2018 by joesixpack

[SouthNYfan]

Just now, joesixpack said:

 

Exactly and all this blockading by sjw in this thread is obnoxious. 

 

Yep.

 

People want the side of the protesters to be heard, which it should, but then when the side of the owner is heard? Nahhhhh... They can't have an opinion, can they??

 

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

1 minute ago, SouthNYfan said:

 

Yep.

 

People want the side of the protesters to be heard, which it should, but then when the side of the owner is heard? Nahhhhh... They can't have an opinion, can they??

 

 

Because #raysis

[SouthNYfan]

Just now, joesixpack said:

 

Because #raysis

 

Obv.

 

Can't have an opinion that goes against the oppressed, because you are automatically sexist, racist, homophobic, whatever you are to be called at the time.

[SoCal Deek]

A couple of thoughts:

 

First, a protest based on the idea that people will stop doing something is foolish. How will you know when it’s OK to stand up again?

 

Second, protests that target things have nothing to do with the what the change you’d like to see enacted are poorly crafted....at best. For example, if you want outlaw cigarettes would hold sit ins in front of a health club? 

 

Its no no wonder this particular protest was so badly received!