YoloinOhio Posted February 27, 2018 Author Posted February 27, 2018 9 minutes ago, Stank_Nasty said: shady could be a whole different sort of monster with a better passing game freeing him up therefore i'd have to strongly disagree with this. Exactly. This man is a perennial all-pro when every DC knows he’s the only threat.
TheBeane Posted February 27, 2018 Posted February 27, 2018 I could see this going much like AP in NO last year. Sign Ivory, draft a RB in the 3rd or 4th. If that rookie pans out and has some potential (like Kamara) cut/trade Ivory to a team with RB injuries.
YoloinOhio Posted February 27, 2018 Author Posted February 27, 2018 (edited) 3 minutes ago, TheBeane said: I could see this going much like AP in NO last year. Sign Ivory, draft a RB in the 3rd or 4th. If that rookie pans out and has some potential (like Kamara) cut/trade Ivory to a team with RB injuries. I think some people are forgetting that you need a stable of RBs going into camp. Currently they have Shady and Marcus Murphy under contract. They need to add several RBs. Edited February 27, 2018 by YoloinOhio
Kmart128 Posted February 27, 2018 Posted February 27, 2018 Just now, TheBeane said: I could see this going much like AP in NO last year. Sign Ivory, draft a RB in the 3rd or 4th. If that rookie pans out and has some potential (like Kamara) cut/trade Ivory to a team with RB injuries. Why would we cut Ivory? Likelihood is it will be a 1 year deal like Vontae's? We keep him on as a 3rd string RB for one season until his 1 year contract expires then we could gain a comp pick.
BigBuff423 Posted February 27, 2018 Posted February 27, 2018 24 minutes ago, NewEra said: I hear ya. I understand your point and while I don’t think it’s a bad plan, I just don’t think it’s the best plan for winning in 2018. It is the best plan if they’re willing to miss the playoffs in 2018. I just don’t think that’s what they’ll do. McBeane is determined to win next season while also building for the future. Trading shady may be the best bet for the future, but I don’t think it’s in our best interest for winning in 2018. Shady is still, even at his age, a top 5 rb (even without a qb or WRs to compliment him). Would’ve loved to see him to play in Gurleys role with the rams last year. He’s been a tremendous leader on the Bills and at the moment, is the face of our franchise. I respectfully disagree about a young Ronald Jones or Sony Michel being able to do what Shady does, in terms of production - not style or talent for elusiveness, he's alone in that category. But, presuming the Bills move back toward more of a power blocking run scheme, then those two RBs will have good years IMO, so I don't think it means the Bills don't make the playoffs if Shady is traded. What's even harder is to predict when the wheels come off....look, I love Shady since he's come to Buffalo and there is virtually no argument that he hasn't been the BEST Offensive player for the Bills during that time. But, and this one is a big one, good teams know when to off-load talent at just the right time...IMHO, for Shady that time is now - given where the Bills are in their quest to re-shape the roster. I know it's not popular, and it's unlikely, but to me, it's the best chance to win NOW AND in the future.
BillsFan2313 Posted February 27, 2018 Posted February 27, 2018 If the Bills sign Ivory, it doesn't mean they won't draft a RB in the middle rounds. Depth is never a bad thing. This would be a good sign.
Tsaikotic Posted February 27, 2018 Posted February 27, 2018 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Kmart128 said: Why would we cut Ivory? Likelihood is it will be a 1 year deal like Vontae's? We keep him on as a 3rd string RB for one season until his 1 year contract expires then we could gain a comp pick. yea i agree...I dont see McBeane signing a guy for 1 year and cutting him when he could be used as a comp pick edit: wait I didnt catch the 3rd string till now...Ivory would 2nd right behind McCoy...if Bills draft a guy he would be 3rd string Edited February 27, 2018 by Tsaikotic
CaptnCoke11 Posted February 27, 2018 Posted February 27, 2018 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Kmart128 said: Why would we cut Ivory? Likelihood is it will be a 1 year deal like Vontae's? We keep him on as a 3rd string RB for one season until his 1 year contract expires then we could gain a comp pick. 3rd string? He’s the immediate back up if signed Edited February 27, 2018 by CaptnCoke11
TheBeane Posted February 27, 2018 Posted February 27, 2018 6 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: I think some people are forgetting that you need a stable of RBs going into camp. Currently they have Shady and Marcus Murphy under contract. They need to add several RBs. That's exactly my thinking. Have a nice stable of RBs going into camp and let it all sort out from there. Rather have it that way then find out later in the season that everyone is injured and have to take someone off the PS to fill a spot.
YoloinOhio Posted February 27, 2018 Author Posted February 27, 2018 3 minutes ago, BillsFan2313 said: If the Bills sign Ivory, it doesn't mean they won't draft a RB in the middle rounds. Depth is never a bad thing. This would be a good sign. They have to draft one. Even if they add Ivory they would still only have 3 RBs under contract and one is a PS guy. They also have Aaron Green but he’s PS too I think. It’s more of a need than a luxury. 1
TheFunPolice Posted February 27, 2018 Posted February 27, 2018 love the idea of Ivory coming in to spell Shady I wouldn't be surprised if TD Mike is a FA this season too. He loved it here and did not want to go to NE, so you never know.
Jamie Muellers Ghost Posted February 27, 2018 Posted February 27, 2018 1 hour ago, nucci said: and no need either. He's not going anywhere. Still our best player I would never be surprised. 9M for a RB is still a big hit.
nucci Posted February 27, 2018 Posted February 27, 2018 1 minute ago, Jamie Muellers Ghost said: I would never be surprised. 9M for a RB is still a big hit. True but still best player and cap is going up again. Still need top talent to win. I'll be pissed if they get rid of him 2
NewEra Posted February 27, 2018 Posted February 27, 2018 2 minutes ago, BigBuff423 said: I respectfully disagree about a young Ronald Jones or Sony Michel being able to do what Shady does, in terms of production - not style or talent for elusiveness, he's alone in that category. But, presuming the Bills move back toward more of a power blocking run scheme, then those two RBs will have good years IMO, so I don't think it means the Bills don't make the playoffs if Shady is traded. What's even harder is to predict when the wheels come off....look, I love Shady since he's come to Buffalo and there is virtually no argument that he hasn't been the BEST Offensive player for the Bills during that time. But, and this one is a big one, good teams know when to off-load talent at just the right time...IMHO, for Shady that time is now - given where the Bills are in their quest to re-shape the roster. I know it's not popular, and it's unlikely, but to me, it's the best chance to win NOW AND in the future. Production = stats. Stats don’t win games. Elite players get the job done when big plays are needed. Take shady off of last years team and replace him with either player and we don’t make the playoffs. No way either of those guys get the job done vs the colts in that snow. I love jones and Michel, but I don’t think we’re going to land either one unless we draft them in rd 1 or by trading up in rd 2. Could be wrong, but it’s my precombine feeling. I just don’t think getting a 3rd or 4th rd pick for our best player, even at his age, is worth it for 2018. We become worse the second he leaves. I agree with the thought that getting rid of players right before they hit their downturn is a smart move.....in most cases. It may very well be the best decision for us this season. I just don’t think it’s going to happen, especially if the return is a 4th. We traded a 3rd for a beaten up broken wr. I wouldn’t want a 4th for our best player, no matter his age
BillsFan2313 Posted February 27, 2018 Posted February 27, 2018 6 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: They have to draft one. Even if they add Ivory they would still only have 3 RBs under contract and one is a PS guy. They also have Aaron Green but he’s PS too I think. It’s more of a need than a luxury. Agreed. We need to find McCoys successor. Now would be the best time to have him learn from one the best for a year. 1
whatdrought Posted February 27, 2018 Posted February 27, 2018 The Lombardi resides in Philly this year because of depth at key positions. I am definitely fine with adding depth. Would love a vet signing at RB and then a mid-late round rookie to be the future. 1
BigBuff423 Posted February 27, 2018 Posted February 27, 2018 28 minutes ago, Stank_Nasty said: right. the "dime a dozen" argument drives me nuts. sure a 900-1000 yd back for a season is a dime a dozen. but gamechangers.... ELITE backs are far from a dime a dozen and you have to grab them early. if anything a passing game makes shady a complete NIGHTMARE(even more so than he is now) for opposing defenses. the guy is lethal in space. if teams had to back off and give him that space..... good lord it would be a thing to behold. The 2017 Offensive Rookie of the Year was a 3rd round Running Back....I'm not arguing that every 3rd Round RB is a Kamara, but what I AM saying, is that with proper diligence and scouting, a team CAN find a great value in any round for any position. So, by extension, I don't think it's a huge reach to think that if the Bills traded Shady, that they could find a great RB to replace his production. I really like Shady, but at this point, the R.O.I. just isn't there for me, and I'm not completely sure it's there for Beane and McD either.
BuffaloBillsMagic1 Posted February 27, 2018 Posted February 27, 2018 I would wait until Gilislee gets cut by the Pats and jump on him
CommonCents Posted February 27, 2018 Posted February 27, 2018 (edited) No thanks on Ivory he fumbles too damn much. In 2016 he fumbled 5 times on 117 attempts that is 4.3 percent of the time and one of the worst statistical performances for a RB with over 100 carries. He has two fumbles this year in limited action. I'm all for finding a short yardage moose, just make sure he can hold onto the ball. Edited February 27, 2018 by Commonsense
BigBuff423 Posted February 27, 2018 Posted February 27, 2018 Just now, NewEra said: Production = stats. Stats don’t win games. Elite players get the job done when big plays are needed. Take shady off of last years team and replace him with either player and we don’t make the playoffs. No way either of those guys get the job done vs the colts in that snow. I love jones and Michel, but I don’t think we’re going to land either one unless we draft them in rd 1 or by trading up in rd 2. Could be wrong, but it’s my precombine feeling. I just don’t think getting a 3rd or 4th rd pick for our best player, even at his age, is worth it for 2018. We become worse the second he leaves. I agree with the thought that getting rid of players right before they hit their downturn is a smart move.....in most cases. It may very well be the best decision for us this season. I just don’t think it’s going to happen, especially if the return is a 4th. We traded a 3rd for a beaten up broken wr. I wouldn’t want a 4th for our best player, no matter his age But that's failing to account for all the other changes to come in this Off-season. For example, I would hope the next QB of the Bills is a MUCH better passer adding tremendous impact in the Offense by passing the ball better and with more scoring overall. Additionally, adding new DT / LB talent will help the Defense and the Bills just signed Vontae Davis. These will add to a better team, making the reliance on Shady as the end-all-be-all tool obsolete as few teams handle their Offense this way in the modern NFL. Also, Shady has been electric, but I don't really need to point to how unkind history is to 30 year old RBs....almost to the day, it's a significant drop-off. But, we shall agree to disagree....all good.
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