Steptide Posted February 27, 2018 Posted February 27, 2018 Shady is expendable if we have a better passing game. I don't want to see shady go. I hope he retires a bill, but I coukd see this being the bills thinking
YoloinOhio Posted February 27, 2018 Author Posted February 27, 2018 3 minutes ago, BigBuff423 said: In terms of "high pick", I'm not sure how you quantify a "high pick", but I'll say IMO, if the Bills trade Shady for a Draft pick, it's probably a 3rd, maybe a 4th. And, IF the Bills attack FA with the money saved by his contract by going after say, Allen Robinson or Sammy Watkins, then a boundary WR is off the list of needs with about the same amount of money spent. Also, depending on how the rest of this FA period rolls out, the Bills *could* stay put and Draft a Rudolph or Jackson, etc., use the other 1st or trade back again and fill their needs. Which means, RB with their second 2nd round pick is an option and just in my mind, I think about what I said up thread, which is would you rather have Shady and Brice Butler or Ronald Jones / Sony Michel and Allen Robinson or Watkins? Given the new system, I also disagree that he isn't "easily replaced"....there is no one like Shady for sure....he's a rare talent. BUT, the new Offensive system may not value him the way fans do....and Ivory is the back up, and I don't see Shady as the 30 year old juggernaut....so, that means young legs to lead the rushing attack and I just don't think Beane pays a 30 year old Shady to be a part time runner when it comes with that cost. But, time will tell if I'm way off - and I probably am - but that's just my perspective. Good points but I love Shady So I have a hard time accepting he could be gone but I get it. I don’t know much about the new offense, I think we will start to get some hints as we see who they acquire and get rid of over the next few months. 1
MrEpsYtown Posted February 27, 2018 Posted February 27, 2018 I remeber when we played the Jags November of 2016 and Ivory was beating us up all by himself. He was gashing our defense and I felt like we would totally lose that game, then he got hurt and we were fine. This guy can be a real beast in a part time role. He is perfect compliment to Shady imo.
Gugny Posted February 27, 2018 Posted February 27, 2018 Having one 30-year-old RB isn't great. Having two is just plain stupid. Bills need to get younger.
Tsaikotic Posted February 27, 2018 Posted February 27, 2018 1 minute ago, Gugny said: Having one 30-year-old RB isn't great. Having two is just plain stupid. Bills need to get younger. they still can, just next year...they can plug a few vets in spots and then use draft to rebuild the front 7 this year then go after RB,CB next draft with the extra comp picks
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted February 27, 2018 Posted February 27, 2018 I like it simply for the fact that he'd be cheap, he doesn't have a ton of tread on the tires, and i think we'll add a 3rd back in this offense. Also, as a cap casualty he would not factor into a comp pick formula while simultaneously filling a need. Not sure what it would look like, but we probably have 3 guys lost in Brown, Gaines, Matthews.
Seanbillsfan2206 Posted February 27, 2018 Posted February 27, 2018 5 minutes ago, Gugny said: Having one 30-year-old RB isn't great. Having two is just plain stupid. Bills need to get younger. Ivory > Tolbert. Get it done OBD
Gugny Posted February 27, 2018 Posted February 27, 2018 5 minutes ago, Seanbillsfan2206 said: Ivory > Tolbert. Get it done OBD Stephen Hawking > Tolbert. 3 3 1
YoloinOhio Posted February 27, 2018 Author Posted February 27, 2018 9 minutes ago, Tsaikotic said: they still can, just next year...they can plug a few vets in spots and then use draft to rebuild the front 7 this year then go after RB,CB next draft with the extra comp picks Correct. They need at least 4 RBs. One will be a rookie.
Johnny Hammersticks Posted February 27, 2018 Posted February 27, 2018 1 minute ago, Gugny said: Stephen Hawking > Tolbert. I needed that today. Thanks, Gugs. 1
Kirby Jackson Posted February 27, 2018 Posted February 27, 2018 17 minutes ago, Steptide said: Shady is expendable if we have a better passing game. I don't want to see shady go. I hope he retires a bill, but I coukd see this being the bills thinking He’s not expendable. Elite backs aren’t expendable. Look how much better Dallas is when Zeke is on the field. Jacksonville has Fournette and Pittsburgh Bell. The Chiefs offense was better than ever once they added Hunt. The Saints didn’t win again until they had 2 Pro Bowl backs.The Bills would never gut what they do well to do something differently. The biggest misconception in football is that an elite RB doesn’t matter. The NFL has wised up to this over the last few years as we are seeing a return to 1st round RBs. 3
NewEra Posted February 27, 2018 Posted February 27, 2018 37 minutes ago, BigBuff423 said: IMHO, it's about recognizing what the Return on Investment would be....Shady could return either a nice player they need elsewhere and would have a hard time filling via FA or Draft, while RB is a DEEP position in this Draft making it even more accessible for the Bills to maintain production continuity. In other words, if I asked you if you could have Shady and a Brice Butler or Ronald Jones and a Allen Robinson (or possibly Sammy Watkins), which would you choose? If you'd choose the Shady package, fair enough, but considering how the Draft and FA are shaking out, I don't think it's out of the question to consider where best to allocate resources when you're team in the midst of a roster re-shaping. I hear ya. I understand your point and while I don’t think it’s a bad plan, I just don’t think it’s the best plan for winning in 2018. It is the best plan if they’re willing to miss the playoffs in 2018. I just don’t think that’s what they’ll do. McBeane is determined to win next season while also building for the future. Trading shady may be the best bet for the future, but I don’t think it’s in our best interest for winning in 2018. Shady is still, even at his age, a top 5 rb (even without a qb or WRs to compliment him). Would’ve loved to see him to play in Gurleys role with the rams last year. He’s been a tremendous leader on the Bills and at the moment, is the face of our franchise.
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted February 27, 2018 Posted February 27, 2018 3 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: He’s not expendable. Elite backs aren’t expendable. Look how much better Dallas is when Zeke is on the field. Jacksonville has Fournette and Pittsburgh Bell. The Chiefs offense was better than ever once they added Hunt. The Saints didn’t win again until they had 2 Pro Bowl backs.The Bills would never gut what they do well to do something differently. The biggest misconception in football is that an elite RB doesn’t matter. The NFL has wised up to this over the last few years as we are seeing a return to 1st round RBs. I mean... NE uses theirs all the time in the passing game. Philly had the what... #3 rushing attack in the NFL? If you don't have an elite back, you need an elite o-line. 1
Stank_Nasty Posted February 27, 2018 Posted February 27, 2018 26 minutes ago, Steptide said: Shady is expendable if we have a better passing game. I don't want to see shady go. I hope he retires a bill, but I coukd see this being the bills thinking shady could be a whole different sort of monster with a better passing game freeing him up therefore i'd have to strongly disagree with this.
Steptide Posted February 27, 2018 Posted February 27, 2018 6 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: He’s not expendable. Elite backs aren’t expendable. Look how much better Dallas is when Zeke is on the field. Jacksonville has Fournette and Pittsburgh Bell. The Chiefs offense was better than ever once they added Hunt. The Saints didn’t win again until they had 2 Pro Bowl backs.The Bills would never gut what they do well to do something differently. The biggest misconception in football is that an elite RB doesn’t matter. The NFL has wised up to this over the last few years as we are seeing a return to 1st round RBs. I agree with you, but I don't know that McDermott does. I'm willing to bet they want to pay a running back as little as possible with alot of return.
JerseyBills Posted February 27, 2018 Posted February 27, 2018 28 minutes ago, Steptide said: Shady is expendable if we have a better passing game. I don't want to see shady go. I hope he retires a bill, but I coukd see this being the bills thinking Woah. I respectfully disagree. I don't want to imagine that O without Shady. It's not just the run game but the pass game , he's all world still. As for Ivory, I was a huge fan of his as a Jet, not sure what happened in Jax but if he could return close to that form he'd be a helluva complement to Shady,who im very confident isn't going anywhere.
Stank_Nasty Posted February 27, 2018 Posted February 27, 2018 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: He’s not expendable. Elite backs aren’t expendable. Look how much better Dallas is when Zeke is on the field. Jacksonville has Fournette and Pittsburgh Bell. The Chiefs offense was better than ever once they added Hunt. The Saints didn’t win again until they had 2 Pro Bowl backs.The Bills would never gut what they do well to do something differently. The biggest misconception in football is that an elite RB doesn’t matter. The NFL has wised up to this over the last few years as we are seeing a return to 1st round RBs. right. the "dime a dozen" argument drives me nuts. sure a 900-1000 yd back for a season is a dime a dozen. but gamechangers.... ELITE backs are far from a dime a dozen and you have to grab them early. if anything a passing game makes shady a complete NIGHTMARE(even more so than he is now) for opposing defenses. the guy is lethal in space. if teams had to back off and give him that space..... good lord it would be a thing to behold. Edited February 27, 2018 by Stank_Nasty 2
ALF Posted February 27, 2018 Posted February 27, 2018 31 minutes ago, Steptide said: Shady is expendable if we have a better passing game. I don't want to see shady go. I hope he retires a bill, but I coukd see this being the bills thinking Only if it takes McCoy in a deal to trade up for a QB.
Kirby Jackson Posted February 27, 2018 Posted February 27, 2018 6 minutes ago, Steptide said: I agree with you, but I don't know that McDermott does. I'm willing to bet they want to pay a running back as little as possible with alot of return. I’ve never seen a defensive minded coach that didn’t value the running game. 2
JerseyBills Posted February 27, 2018 Posted February 27, 2018 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Stank_Nasty said: shady could be a whole different sort of monster with a better passing game freeing him up therefore i'd have to strongly disagree with this. That's a great point. And he's been an absolute pleasure to watch with a pitiful passing attack. The RB age rule doesn't apply to him. He runs so intelligently. He rarely gets hit hard , his vision is impeccable and allows him to avoid hits 99% of RB are taking. HE DOESN'T GET ENOUGH CREDIT FOR THIS; He hasn't lost even half a step imo Edited February 27, 2018 by JerseyBills
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