John from Riverside Posted February 23, 2018 Posted February 23, 2018 Just now, joesixpack said: ooooh color me intrigued. do tell me WHY it goes a little further than that with me John. Can't wait. I think your setting up your ax to grind for next season.....you do not appear to be content unless you are doing that
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted February 23, 2018 Posted February 23, 2018 Just now, John from Hemet said: I think your setting up your ax to grind for next season.....you do not appear to be content unless you are doing that I'm one of the bigger McBeane backers on this board, so not sure where you're getting that.
DCOrange Posted February 23, 2018 Author Posted February 23, 2018 1 hour ago, Green Lightning said: Adjusted completion rate. Really? That's for losers. His completion rate is for multiple years. How far back are you going to go with an adjusted completion rate? Do or don't do, there is no try. Adjusted completion percentage has its issues but it’s certainly better to attempt to adjust for drops and throwaways than to pretend a perfect pass that’s dropped is worse than a bad pass that’s caught. Neither one necessarily measures how good a player’s ball placement is but people smarter than you or I have tracked that as well and determined that Lamar’s ball placement is roughly average compared to the rest of the class, which in combination with his running ability should make him a very promising prospect IMO.
John from Riverside Posted February 23, 2018 Posted February 23, 2018 Just now, joesixpack said: I'm one of the bigger McBeane backers on this board, so not sure where you're getting that. If I am wrong on this I apologize
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted February 23, 2018 Posted February 23, 2018 Just now, John from Hemet said: If I am wrong on this I apologize i would definitely have beef, however, if TT is the starter opening day. That would just be bleh.
Green Lightning Posted February 23, 2018 Posted February 23, 2018 1 minute ago, DCOrange said: Adjusted completion percentage has its issues but it’s certainly better to attempt to adjust for drops and throwaways than to pretend a perfect pass that’s dropped is worse than a bad pass that’s caught. Neither one necessarily measures how good a player’s ball placement is but people smarter than you or I have tracked that as well and determined that Lamar’s ball placement is roughly average compared to the rest of the class, which in combination with his running ability should make him a very promising prospect IMO. Maybe, but not in the first round. I tend to believe you are what your record says you are. Not a bunch of looking back in the rearview mirror and making adjustments.
OldTimer1960 Posted February 23, 2018 Posted February 23, 2018 28 minutes ago, Green Lightning said: Maybe, but not in the first round. I tend to believe you are what your record says you are. Not a bunch of looking back in the rearview mirror and making adjustments. You would not have liked John Elway then. “His” record was under .500 his senior season.
CajunBillsBacker Posted February 23, 2018 Posted February 23, 2018 I think what we saw of Josh Allen in the senior bowl is more of who he is than what went on at Wyoming. This kid has legit talent and out of the top 6 QB’s, he’s the one I’m least concerned about. Rosen is still my top QB talent wise, but his question marks outweigh the inaccuracy questions surrounding Allen.
H2o Posted February 23, 2018 Posted February 23, 2018 (edited) The scout talks about "knowing what they're doing" when talking about Allen's sh*t completion percentage, but then knocks Jackson for his? A bit contra-dick-tory you might say. He says Mayfield is not athletic? He seems quite elusive on the field at times and takes off running when needed having enough speed to outrun LB's on occassion. Just because he got caught by the police on that one bounce doesn't mean he's like Tom Brady back there. The comparisons seem decent on a serious note though, but I am also on the Mayfield bandwagon so I disagree there. Jackson and Griffin though? No way. Jackson is way more electric as a runner than Griffin ever hoped to be. Griffin may have been the better passer though. Edited February 23, 2018 by H2o
Green Lightning Posted February 24, 2018 Posted February 24, 2018 1 hour ago, OldTimer1960 said: You would not have liked John Elway then. “His” record was under .500 his senior season. What was his completion percentage?
Buffalo716 Posted February 24, 2018 Posted February 24, 2018 24 minutes ago, H2o said: The scout talks about "knowing what they're doing" when talking about Allen's sh*t completion percentage, but then knocks Jackson for his? A bit contra-dick-tory you might say. He says Mayfield is not athletic? He seems quite elusive on the field at times and takes off running when needed having enough speed to outrun LB's on occassion. Just because he got caught by the police on that one bounce doesn't mean he's like Tom Brady back there. The comparisons seem decent on a serious note though, but I am also on the Mayfield bandwagon so I disagree there. Jackson and Griffin though? No way. Jackson is way more electric as a runner than Griffin ever hoped to be. Griffin may have been the better passer though. Obviously by every standard Baker is a very athletic kid. He is a Division 1 QB and a small one at that, he is obviously very athletically gifted but for NFL standards he isn't that great of an athlete. Probably in the bottom 10-12 athletically wise if you were to rank him out of 32 starting QBs. But i don't think that's an issue
FearLess Price Posted February 25, 2018 Posted February 25, 2018 On 2/23/2018 at 7:11 PM, Buffalo716 said: Obviously by every standard Baker is a very athletic kid. He is a Division 1 QB and a small one at that, he is obviously very athletically gifted but for NFL standards he isn't that great of an athlete. Probably in the bottom 10-12 athletically wise if you were to rank him out of 32 starting QBs. But i don't think that's an issue He can play from the pocket and make progressions. As long as he can pick up the nfl game speed and find his throwing lanes hell be good.
D. L. Hot-Flamethrower Posted February 25, 2018 Posted February 25, 2018 (edited) How can you pass up this with your high first round pick?LOL Yes it takes ALOT of imagination. Mountain West Player Passing Statistic PASSING YARDS LEADERS - ALL PLAYERS RK PLAYER TEAM COMP ATT PCT YDS YDS/A LONG TD INT SACK RAT 1 Nick Stevens, QB CSU 284 459 61.9 3799 8.3 76 29 10 13 147.9 2 Brett Rypien, QB BSU 218 348 62.6 2877 8.3 87 16 6 20 143.8 3 Dru Brown, QB HAW 254 412 61.7 2785 6.8 85 18 8 30 129.0 4 Ty Gangi, QB NEV 228 374 61.0 2746 7.3 82 25 11 7 138.8 5 Marcus McMaryion, QB FRES 218 351 62.1 2726 7.8 81 14 5 8 137.7 6 Christian Chapman, QB SDSU 146 243 60.1 1873 7.7 89 13 4 29 139.2 7 Josh Allen, QB WYO 152 270 56.3 1812 6.7 47 16 6 22 127.8 8 Jordan Love, QB USU 129 235 54.9 1631 6.9 77 8 6 7 119.3 9 Montel Aaron, QB SJSU 126 225 56.0 1531 6.8 59 8 10 22 116.0 10 Armani Rogers, QB UNLV 99 189 52.4 1471 7.8 94 6 5 22 122.9 RK PLAYER TEAM COMP ATT PCT YDS YDS/A LONG TD INT SACK RAT Edited February 25, 2018 by horned dogs 1
buffaloboyinATL Posted February 25, 2018 Posted February 25, 2018 Josh Allen = Philip Rivers?! Damn, now I want him again.
MikeSpeed Posted February 25, 2018 Posted February 25, 2018 I really don't care who the Bills draft at QB. I have to assume they'll get the right guy. That said I've seen the "running" QB, and how difficult it has been to try to make him stay in the pocket when things get dicy. So of all the top prospects I fear Jackson the most.
SouthNYfan Posted February 25, 2018 Posted February 25, 2018 22 minutes ago, horned dogs said: How can you pass up this with your high first round pick?LOL Yes it takes ALOT of imagination. Mountain West Player Passing Statistic PASSING YARDS LEADERS - ALL PLAYERS RK PLAYER TEAM COMP ATT PCT YDS YDS/A LONG TD INT SACK RAT 1 Nick Stevens, QB CSU 284 459 61.9 3799 8.3 76 29 10 13 147.9 2 Brett Rypien, QB BSU 218 348 62.6 2877 8.3 87 16 6 20 143.8 3 Dru Brown, QB HAW 254 412 61.7 2785 6.8 85 18 8 30 129.0 4 Ty Gangi, QB NEV 228 374 61.0 2746 7.3 82 25 11 7 138.8 5 Marcus McMaryion, QB FRES 218 351 62.1 2726 7.8 81 14 5 8 137.7 6 Christian Chapman, QB SDSU 146 243 60.1 1873 7.7 89 13 4 29 139.2 7 Josh Allen, QB WYO 152 270 56.3 1812 6.7 47 16 6 22 127.8 8 Jordan Love, QB USU 129 235 54.9 1631 6.9 77 8 6 7 119.3 9 Montel Aaron, QB SJSU 126 225 56.0 1531 6.8 59 8 10 22 116.0 10 Armani Rogers, QB UNLV 99 189 52.4 1471 7.8 94 6 5 22 122.9 RK PLAYER TEAM COMP ATT PCT YDS YDS/A LONG TD INT SACK RAT Can we draft "Armani Rogers" ?? Pleeeeeease!?
buffaloboyinATL Posted February 25, 2018 Posted February 25, 2018 48 minutes ago, SouthNYfan said: Can we draft "Armani Rogers" ?? Pleeeeeease!? Not Nick Stevens? 2
SouthNYfan Posted February 25, 2018 Posted February 25, 2018 19 minutes ago, buffaloboyinATL said: Not Nick Stevens? name is too generic. Armani Rogers? that's a superstar name. Ty Gangi is pretty legit of a name too. Brett Rypien is also Mark Rypien's nephew, so maybe we should go with him instead, you know, because the bloodline and all.
dpberr Posted February 25, 2018 Posted February 25, 2018 Can't teach attitude and can't teach accuracy. I don't have the details like some of you guys got but I think spending a lot of capital on a QB who can't complete 60%+ in college or who have reputations for being "brats" isnt ideal.
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