whatdrought Posted February 22, 2018 Posted February 22, 2018 I think McD/Beane will be the first call he gets and they will set the market for him. It'll be hard for anyone to pay a guy more than his previous coach (who saw him at his very best) is willing to go. Though, in today's world, who knows.
billieve420 Posted February 22, 2018 Posted February 22, 2018 I would like to Bills to look at Bennie Logan from the Chiefs instead.
Royale with Cheese Posted February 22, 2018 Posted February 22, 2018 http://www.carolinahuddle.com/2017/08/28/carolina-panthers-star-lotulelei/ So, How Important Is Star Lotulelei? Star Lotulelei may not be the kind of guy with double-digit sacks each season. He may not even register a sack on a QB over a stretch of multiple games. However, what he does on the field deserves recognition on its own. For the defense, Star helps clog up double teams and triple teams, allowing for multiple lanes to open up and linebackers/pass rushers to flourish. He does the dirty work while the rest of the defense cleans up. With Star’s immense size and strength, teams understand they have to be very weary of Star or else he will punish. Without Star, guys such as Kawann Short, Mario Addison, Thomas Davis, and even Luke Kuechly would not have the same amount of success they’ve had with him. Guys who do what Star does do not come everyday. If the Panthers want to continue having a dominant defensive line and linebackers, Star is a priority for next season. So, how important is Star Lotulelei? Very important. 1
TheBeaneBandit Posted February 22, 2018 Posted February 22, 2018 I'm not gonna throw the ole "on the cheap" phrase out there but I'm hoping for a reasonable priced run stuffer in free agency and the penetrating disruptor in the draft...... But who knows how it will play out
blacklabel Posted February 22, 2018 Posted February 22, 2018 38 minutes ago, aristocrat said: dontari poe is the guy i want Usually someone would point out that Poe is better suited for NT in a 3-4 but he actually played over 70% of the snaps for Atlanta last year and they run a 4-3. Stats-wise he had his best year since 2013. But the reasons the Chiefs let him go in 2016 were because his asking price was quite high plus he's had a consistent back injury to deal with for a few years now. I don't know if he's an FA this season or not but I can't see McBeane viewing and valuing him as anything more than a rotational DL.
CommonCents Posted February 22, 2018 Posted February 22, 2018 12 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: Is the same Rob Quinn who said the Bills "failed upward" by, among other moves, trading Ragland and Cardale Jones--thus "seemingly forgetting about the present and building up for the future"? I'm not sure but Cover1 also wrote a puff piece on Ragland. Sad.
26CornerBlitz Posted February 22, 2018 Author Posted February 22, 2018 Star Lotulelei "ready for next chapter" if it's not in Carolina “I don't think there's a whole lot of people that can do what I can do,” Lotulelei said. “The physicality and intelligence that I bring, I don't think there's a whole lot of people that have that combination. Like I said, I'm not worried about it. I know I'll find a job, if it's here or somewhere else.”But since stats do matter at least somewhat, it’s worth noting Lotulelei’s dipped after a stellar debut. He's averaged 24.8 tackles over his past four seasons after registering 42 as a rookie. And as Lotulelei’s 11.5 career sacks attest, he’s not an elite pass rusher like fellow 2013 defensive tackle draftee Kawann Short. But while many speculate 2016 first-round pick Vernon Butler can just replace Lotulelei, they’re not nearly the same player. Lotulelei is more classic nose tackle; Butler is more like Short.
buffaloboyinATL Posted February 22, 2018 Posted February 22, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Playing next to Kawann Short should have boosted his production. I guess you could argue that playing next to Lotulelei boosted Kawann Short's production instead. I did not watch them close enough this year to know if it is true, but it is possible. This quote from the article Royale posted says as much: " He does the dirty work while the rest of the defense cleans up. With Star’s immense size and strength, teams understand they have to be very weary [sic] of Star or else he will punish. Without Star, guys such as Kawann Short, Mario Addison, Thomas Davis, and even Luke Kuechly would not have the same amount of success they’ve had with him." Edited February 22, 2018 by buffaloboyinATL
Guest K-GunJimKelly12 Posted February 22, 2018 Posted February 22, 2018 If we stay at 21-22, please just give me Vita Vea with one of those picks. I want him more than any prospect in this draft that isn't a QB.
billieve420 Posted February 22, 2018 Posted February 22, 2018 (edited) 2 minutes ago, K-GunJimKelly12 said: If we stay at 21-22, please just give me Vita Vea with one of those picks. I want him more than any prospect in this draft that isn't a QB. We need at least 2 DTs. I would like a veteran to go with a rookie to help with the transition. If Kyle comes back I would like to see him in a reduced role mainly just rushing the passer. Edited February 22, 2018 by billieve420
ndirish1978 Posted February 22, 2018 Posted February 22, 2018 Has Quinn's writing gotten any better? The only things I've read he's written lately are all the shots he takes at other reporters in their timelines.
26CornerBlitz Posted February 22, 2018 Author Posted February 22, 2018 2 minutes ago, buffaloboyinATL said: I guess you could argue that playing next to Lotulelei boosted Kawann Short's production instead. I did not watch them close enough this year to know if it is true, but it is possible. This quote from the article Royale posted says as much: " He does the dirty work while the rest of the defense cleans up. With Star’s immense size and strength, teams understand they have to be very weary [sic] of Star or else he will punish. Without Star, guys such as Kawann Short, Mario Addison, Thomas Davis, and even Luke Kuechly would not have the same amount of success they’ve had with him." I understand his role, but that doesn't excuse the precipitous drop in production since his rookie campaign.
boyst Posted February 22, 2018 Posted February 22, 2018 He will get paid. He's much like Dareus overall. He can disappear for games. I'd not pay him what he wants but he will command it and if we want to upgrade he is one of the best options. The problem is DT's are too highly paid currently. Better off with rag tag UFA's mid tier or rookies and drafting elite LBs if we can't get UFA's. We really need linebackers. Not one starter worth starting on this team as is.
YoloinOhio Posted February 22, 2018 Posted February 22, 2018 31 minutes ago, Commonsense said: 12 million isn't even close. Spotrac projects 6M per for 4 years. He has been a failure in Carolina. I think people see the need and a cool looking gargantuan that could fill the hole but don't even know what he brings or fails to bring to the table. That makes much more sense
CommonCents Posted February 22, 2018 Posted February 22, 2018 5 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: That makes much more sense I'd pay him that kind of money if it means not wasting 21/22 on another DT like Vea.
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted February 22, 2018 Posted February 22, 2018 (edited) I know McD likes to get his own guys, but i don't think he tends to overvalue them. We rotated a ton at DT this year, and traded our most talented one away for cap relief. I think we'll try to bring back Kyle, and add someone at a lower price point. Keeping dolphus and thornton for depth. Likely not using a 1st for a DT, and maybe drafting one later in the draft maybe? We need so much help at LB and pass rush, that i wouldn't want to see them use a ton of draft capital or cap space on DTs. Edited February 22, 2018 by dneveu
billieve420 Posted February 22, 2018 Posted February 22, 2018 2 minutes ago, dneveu said: I know McD likes to get his own guys, but i don't think he tends to overvalue them. We rotated a ton at DT this year, and traded our most talented one away for cap relief. I think we'll try to bring back Kyle, and add someone at a lower price point. Keeping dolphus and thornton for depth. Likely not using a 1st for a DT, and maybe drafting one later in the draft maybe? We need so much help at LB and pass rush, that i wouldn't want to see them use a ton of draft capital or cap space on DTs. It starts with the lines. LBs will look much better behind a dominant front which we are far from. I think we need 2 DTs and a DE opposite Hughes. Hughes hasn't been the same since Mario Williams left.
Acantha Posted February 22, 2018 Posted February 22, 2018 50 minutes ago, whatdrought said: I think McD/Beane will be the first call he gets and they will set the market for him. It'll be hard for anyone to pay a guy more than his previous coach (who saw him at his very best) is willing to go. Though, in today's world, who knows. McDermott showed that he's willing to make the right choices to make the team better when he fired Dennison. If he thinks he's worth bringing in, he probably is. 1
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted February 22, 2018 Posted February 22, 2018 Just now, billieve420 said: It starts with the lines. LBs will look much better behind a dominant front which we are far from. I think we need 2 DTs and a DE opposite Hughes. Hughes hasn't been the same since Mario Williams left. We don't have a ton of cap room at the moment, and a considerable number of holes. QB1 WR2 RB2 C1 (Groy moves in but who knows how comfortable they are in that) RG1 (ducasse/miller i guess...?) RT1 (mills sucks) LCB1 NCB1 (possibly bring back johnson) MLB1/2 SLB1 DT1/2 LDE1 (depending on what you think of lawson) I don't really think they'll go after any of the top layer of free agents for that reason. They're still remaking the roster the way that they want to see it. If they can bring back williams for another year I think they would. He'll be relatively affordable and is a great leader.
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