Cubanmist 1 Posted February 22, 2018 Posted February 22, 2018 (edited) In the eyes of many, 2017 was fairly a good draft for us. However, I believe in my heart of hearts that we should have utilized our first round pick on Deshaun Watson or Patrick Mahomes. We had no business trading our pick to KC knowing that we have a QB issue. Sure, White is a very good CB, but again we had pressing needs. Now, we are faced with the possibility of not being able to draft a good QB this year. What do you’ll think. Edited February 22, 2018 by Cubanmist 1
eball Posted February 22, 2018 Posted February 22, 2018 This is an interesting topic you've raised. I wonder why nobody has discussed it before? Oh, wait.... 5 1
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted February 22, 2018 Posted February 22, 2018 24 minutes ago, eball said: This is an interesting topic you've raised. I wonder why nobody has discussed it before? Oh, wait.... And in Off the Wall It must be in protest to Boyst's pimped out tractor thread on the main board
Chuck Wagon Posted February 22, 2018 Posted February 22, 2018 We should have traded with Houston not KC.... 2
K D Posted February 22, 2018 Posted February 22, 2018 6 minutes ago, Chuck Wagon said: We should have traded with Houston not KC.... I said that on draft day and people scoffed at it. Houston was clearly going to be drafting higher. I expected the Chiefs to win 11 games and pick around 25 and Texans picking top 15. It was a no brainer
xRUSHx Posted February 22, 2018 Posted February 22, 2018 They missed the boat on Watson for sure, jury still out on Mahomes but that's two strikes if he also lights up the league. I wish my team had a real QB.
The Now Moment Posted February 22, 2018 Posted February 22, 2018 If they couldn't use Tyrod to his full abilities what makes you believe they'd be able to use Watson to his full abilities? They were looking for a different type of QB. That's why I think Lamar Jackson is not an option this year, they want the pocket passer. Blame them all you want but they are waiting for their guy and could get it in year two which is better than any other regime has done for this team in the last couple decades. It's not all about talent. The fit needs to be right and that is especially true for QB.
xRUSHx Posted February 22, 2018 Posted February 22, 2018 (edited) 23 minutes ago, Buffalo30 said: If they couldn't use Tyrod to his full abilities what makes you believe they'd be able to use Watson to his full abilities? They were looking for a different type of QB. That's why I think Lamar Jackson is not an option this year, they want the pocket passer. Blame them all you want but they are waiting for their guy and could get it in year two which is better than any other regime has done for this team in the last couple decades. It's not all about talent. The fit needs to be right and that is especially true for QB. You talking about a QBs abilities that he should be able to be a QB? I agree it sure would be nice to have a QB teams worry about him being a QB over the one we have now that teams force to be one and he ends up with a FG after a full game. QBs do not fall from the sky, if they want one they have to go get him, I sure hope this is the off season we get a QB that can be a QB. Edited February 22, 2018 by xRUSHx
gobillsinytown Posted February 22, 2018 Posted February 22, 2018 23 minutes ago, Buffalo30 said: If they couldn't use Tyrod to his full abilities what makes you believe they'd be able to use Watson to his full abilities? They were looking for a different type of QB. That's why I think Lamar Jackson is not an option this year, they want the pocket passer. Blame them all you want but they are waiting for their guy and could get it in year two which is better than any other regime has done for this team in the last couple decades. It's not all about talent. The fit needs to be right and that is especially true for QB. It seems like they want the passing offense to be based on an accurate pocket passer who can make quick reads and have a quick release. The Eagles and Pats* offenses are based on that concept. Other teams have tried basing their offense on a running quarterback and so far it doesn't seem to work long term. It all makes sense to me, but they can't seem to find the QB that can actually execute it.
BringBackFergy Posted February 22, 2018 Posted February 22, 2018 40 minutes ago, kdiggz said: I said that on draft day and people scoffed at it. Houston was clearly going to be drafting higher. I expected the Chiefs to win 11 games and pick around 25 and Texans picking top 15. It was a no brainer Link?
K D Posted February 22, 2018 Posted February 22, 2018 Just now, BringBackFergy said: Link? if someone knows how to search the archives they will find it in the thread talking about the trade up. when I search my posts it seems to only go back so far
BringBackFergy Posted February 22, 2018 Posted February 22, 2018 4 minutes ago, kdiggz said: if someone knows how to search the archives they will find it in the thread talking about the trade up. when I search my posts it seems to only go back so far Yeah, suuuuure.
The Now Moment Posted February 22, 2018 Posted February 22, 2018 19 minutes ago, xRUSHx said: You talking about a QBs abilities that he should be able to be a QB? I agree it sure would be nice to have a QB teams worry about him being a QB over the one we have now that teams force to be one and he ends up with a FG after a full game. QBs do not fall from the sky, if they want one they have to go get him, I sure hope this is the off season we get a QB that can be a QB. So they passed on a guy who looked to have a similar skillset but better at it than Tyrod. They didn't know how to use Tyrod so why would they get Watson? They waited until this class, one year, where there is a ton of QBs. They have the assets to trade up and get their guy. I really don't see the problem with passing on Watson. He's not the type of QB they want. They clearly want more of a pocket passer. No QBs don't fall from the sky but this class was rated very highly and they waited one year and made the playoffs that year...I just don't see what there is to complain about. Plus, Watson tore his leg up after a handful of games. That's not making me feel all warm and fuzzy inside about his future. 20 minutes ago, gobillsinytown said: It seems like they want the passing offense to be based on an accurate pocket passer who can make quick reads and have a quick release. The Eagles and Pats* offenses are based on that concept. Other teams have tried basing their offense on a running quarterback and so far it doesn't seem to work long term. It all makes sense to me, but they can't seem to find the QB that can actually execute it. I agree 100%. Honestly, I think Rosen would be the best fit for that type of scheme out of the players in this class. He needs to bulk up though. 1
K D Posted February 22, 2018 Posted February 22, 2018 12 minutes ago, BringBackFergy said: Yeah, suuuuure. here you go a-hole I posted it in a few different threads but this was the first i was able to find and it took me like 20 min so you're welcome! Posted April 28, 2017 I agree with them. Chiefs will pick around same spot next year. A late 1st round 25th isn't the same as a top 10-15 pick obviously. I think we needed to get a 2nd rounder this year to say we "hosed them." A 3rd is like ehh ok. Cleveland will have pick 1 and a top 15 since they traded with Houston who is going to stink this year. 1
NewEra Posted February 22, 2018 Posted February 22, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, kdiggz said: I said that on draft day and people scoffed at it. Houston was clearly going to be drafting higher. I expected the Chiefs to win 11 games and pick around 25 and Texans picking top 15. It was a no brainer The browns got lucky that Watson got hurt or the Texans may have been in the playoffs too. He was THAT good. I wasn’t sold on any of the QBs last year. After watching Watson beat Baja I thought he was sure to be the #1 pick. Then I read his fastball was one of the slowest ever recorded at the combine and was scared off. Dam combine. I thought he was the most impressive player in the entire league last year. Edited February 22, 2018 by NewEra
The Now Moment Posted February 22, 2018 Posted February 22, 2018 2 minutes ago, NewEra said: Row small got lucky that Watson got hurt or they may have been in the playoffs too. He was THAT good. I wasn’t sold on any of the QBs last year. After watching Watson beat Baja I thought he was sure to be the #1 pick. Then I read his fastball was one of the slowest ever recorded at the combine and was scared off. Dam combine. I thought he was the most impressive player in the entire league last year. Houston used similar playcalling to what Clemson used. It was more tailored to his abilities. Teams haven't seen a lot of that type of college playcalling from other teams in the league. I'm sure it helped him be more successful year one.
QuoteTheRaven83 Posted February 22, 2018 Posted February 22, 2018 Nah, I would rather have drafted Tom Brady in the 2000 and not have this discussion again...
Doc Posted February 22, 2018 Posted February 22, 2018 6 minutes ago, NewEra said: Row small got lucky that Watson got hurt or they may have been in the playoffs too. He was THAT good. I wasn’t sold on any of the QBs last year. After watching Watson beat Baja I thought he was sure to be the #1 pick. Then I read his fastball was one of the slowest ever recorded at the combine and was scared off. Dam combine. I thought he was the most impressive player in the entire league last year. Yup. And if the Bills had traded down with Houston, the Bills fans in me says that Watson would have stayed healthy and taken them to the playoffs and the Chefs would have bombed. But it's way too early to say that either Watson or Mahomes will be franchise QB's, Mahomes especially since he's proven almost nothing. Watson looked good, but it seems that most QB's that suffer serious injuries early in their careers never end up amounting to much. I guess we'll see.
NewEra Posted February 22, 2018 Posted February 22, 2018 36 minutes ago, Doc said: Yup. And if the Bills had traded down with Houston, the Bills fans in me says that Watson would have stayed healthy and taken them to the playoffs and the Chefs would have bombed. But it's way too early to say that either Watson or Mahomes will be franchise QB's, Mahomes especially since he's proven almost nothing. Watson looked good, but it seems that most QB's that suffer serious injuries early in their careers never end up amounting to much. I guess we'll see. No doubt.
FearLess Price Posted February 22, 2018 Posted February 22, 2018 It depends on what the Bills do with the draft capital this year. Example: if the Bills trade up for Rosen and he becomes our franchise QB with a solid rookie year and improves like Wentz did year 2, than the trade worked out for us, even if Mahomes becomes Favre pt2, and Watson becomes another great young QB. The ball is officially in our court. We waited a year to draft a QB. We f'd up and made the playofds but we can still trade up. Now or never Buffalo. Make a move.
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