JohnBonhamRocks Posted February 21, 2018 Posted February 21, 2018 35 minutes ago, KelsaysLunchbox said: At the end of the day we need 2 QBs. McDermott has already said he wants a vet in the QB room for a variety of reasons. My 2 choices: Rookie: Baker Mayfield Vet: Josh McCown Mayfield for pretty much every reason stated. McCown because he could be a solid spot starter if needed, has been around the league for years and could be a great guy in the QB room for Mayfield. Being we don't have an experienced QB coach, McCowns experience around the league would be extremely valuable. This is the exact pairing that I want. McCown would be affordable and is a good bridge guy with no appeal to be kept long-term. In the alternative, if OBD seems to want to start Mayfield (or whichever rookie they draft) from day one, then I'd suggest this guy named Fitzpatrick as the QB2.
Direhard Fan Posted February 21, 2018 Posted February 21, 2018 TT and than our draft choice can compete next year. None of these drafted guys will take us to the playoffs their first year. TT will and he is under contract. Build the line.
John from Riverside Posted February 21, 2018 Posted February 21, 2018 1 hour ago, Logic said: For what it's worth (not much), I DID want Watson last year. Couldn't fathom why a QB needy teem in year 1 of a rebuild with a new coach would pass on a QB. And now, here we are, once again needing a QB. Oy vey. Because we got a top corner and a 1st round pick instead They were needs also
Stank_Nasty Posted February 21, 2018 Posted February 21, 2018 (edited) bills figure out a way to bring in an average vet like Bradford, mccown..... or dare I say even keep the one we have if it comes to that.... bills make the move to 5 with the broncos and take Mayfield and he beats out any of the said vets. that's my perfect qb scenario as for why? if the rookie beats them out it means the bills are winning games immediately and I want it to be Mayfield becuz I get 6 hour Viagra boners every time I see his highlights. Edited February 21, 2018 by Stank_Nasty
Luxy312 Posted February 21, 2018 Posted February 21, 2018 I want Baker Mayfield to eventually be the starter this year. Maybe he doesn't start out of the gate and maybe he does. My reasoning is simple. The level of his play gets better with the level of competition that he faces. It's the same reason I liked Watson last year. He didn't just win. He got up for big games and lead his team to wins. They both want the competition. Don't try to sell me on the idea of a "size issue" either. Watson is just under 6-2. Mayfield is just under 6-1. He's not Muggsy Bogues. I feel like Mayfield was simply the best QB at the college level. His stats suggest that he was. Darnold/Allen/Rudolph/Rosen all feel to me like they could be the next Matt Leinart. Maybe they don't, but that's my fear.
White Linen Posted February 21, 2018 Posted February 21, 2018 30 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said: Sorry, I just do not buy your logic of how his height will be a barrier to his success, especially given 2 of the top 4 guys in the NFL are smaller than him. And also, your draft comparisons in terms of "where" he should go based on PAST drafts is flawed logic too. Its a different era where the success of guys like Wilson and Brees have shown that talented players CAN succeed at HIGH levels even when shorter than the prototypical stereotype. So how teams draft NOW are no reflection of how teams USED to draft. No one is going to deny that size can create advantages or disadvantages for a QB. HOWEVER, its a complete fallacy and myth to put size as a determining criteria on why a player succeeded or failed when their height falls into the range of successful QB's. Lets assume Baker has a below average or bad NFL career. Under no circumstance is anyone going to look at Baker and say the REASON he failed is because he wasn't 1 inch taller like Rogers and if he had been he would have been an All Pro. Seriously, that is such a stretch of the imagination and I don't understand how anyone can get to that point. No one in their right mind would look at Aaron Rogers and say if he was an inch shorter he would not be a good NFL QB. Bottom line is very simple...either Baker can or cant play at the NFL level, and his height is not going to be the reason why. I am not denying that being bigger or shorter on the range of heights of NFL QB's doesn't include advantages and disadvantages, but under no circumstance will being at either end of that range be the determining factor of their success or failure in the NFL. I'm not trying to get you to buy anything but you're just not going to convince me I'm wrong. If Mayfield was 6'4" he'd be the #1 QB on the board and the first QB taken and you know it. I mean I get that you think it's BS but not everyone has to or does. It's a different Era? Wilson was drafted in the 3rd round in this era. This makes absolutely no sense to me. "No one is going to deny that size can create advantages or disadvantages for a QB. HOWEVER, its a complete fallacy and myth to put size as a determining criteria on why a player succeeded or failed when their height falls into the range of successful QB's." No one is going to deny it but it's a complete fallacy and myth? I don't even know what that means. You again dismiss the large portion of my argument so I assume you have no answer. If Mayfield doesn't succeed and the Bills traded 3 first round picks or 2 firsts and a 2nd and/or 3rd - You don't think it'll deserve criticism? How the heck do you know it won't be because he got balls batted down, couldn't see so ran out of the pocket or because his small hands won't allow him to throw an NFL football well enough? Let's sum it up so we don't have to go back and forth. He could end up being great and there's physical challenges that can't be ignored, IMO. You believe he has no physical challenges and either will succeed or not succeed based on factors exclusively outside of physical. I agree to disagree.
Hapless Bills Fan Posted February 21, 2018 Posted February 21, 2018 4 hours ago, kota said: Also there is a big difference between hating to lose and being a Jackass. He fits into the jackass category. "Mayfield was arrested in the early morning of Feb. 25 in Fayetteville, and was charged with public intoxication, disorderly conduct, fleeing and resisting arrest." Is there evidence he makes a habitual pattern out of this? Show me a 21 yr old highly-feted male athlete who hasn't been a jackass at least once or twice and I'll show you a miracle.
yungmack Posted February 21, 2018 Posted February 21, 2018 Who? Johnny Unitas. Why? Because that would mean he was resurrected from the dead which means the Bills get some solid national attention and at least one prime time game.
Hapless Bills Fan Posted February 21, 2018 Posted February 21, 2018 4 hours ago, Reed83HOF said: Rosen is the best QB in the draft I agree with you, assessing him for pure QB skills - throwing motion, footwork, ability to read the field and throw into tight windows, pro-style offense. I am worried about the shoulder injuries going back to age 12 and the two concussions last fall and by his stated interest in making money outside football, even though he frames it as wanting to make money so he can take a lower salary and leave more cap for the team. I am also worried about Mayfield being able to adjust to a pro-style offense. But the more I see of Mayfield's play on the field, the more he intrigues me. I've converted, Mayfield is my first choice.
xRUSHx Posted February 21, 2018 Posted February 21, 2018 (edited) Rosen,Darnold, Mayfield, Rudolph or Cousins. Why? Because IMO they are very talented. Also they are not a backup QB from another team. Edited February 21, 2018 by xRUSHx
papazoid Posted February 21, 2018 Posted February 21, 2018 Cousins a bird in the hand (proven top 10 nfl qb) is worth 3 in the bush (crapshoot draft picks) then I still have all my draft picks (two #1's and two #2's) to fill my other holes
Reed83HOF Posted February 21, 2018 Posted February 21, 2018 13 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: I agree with you, assessing him for pure QB skills - throwing motion, footwork, ability to read the field and throw into tight windows, pro-style offense. I am worried about the shoulder injuries going back to age 12 and the two concussions last fall and by his stated interest in making money outside football, even though he frames it as wanting to make money so he can take a lower salary and leave more cap for the team. I am also worried about Mayfield being able to adjust to a pro-style offense. But the more I see of Mayfield's play on the field, the more he intrigues me. I've converted, Mayfield is my first choice. With Mayfield, I worry he might be like Brees and take a few years to "git good". I do like his cockiness, we haven't had that kind of swagger since JK... I like Rosen, Darnold & Mayfield - in that order. I would be also ok with Allen, if we didn't move up too much and got him around 12. I just can't get on the Rudolph bandwagon, I have a bad feeling that he is very close to his ceiling... Like you I do worry a bit about his shoulder injury, but he is the best pure QB in the draft. I actually like his honesty; it's refreshing... There are too many threads to pay attention to and I feel like I missed this and I know you would have this info: With Tyrod his bonus is due on 3/16; so a move with him should be made by that date. Doesn't that just telegraph that we are moving up way too much too soon? I feel like at that point, you need to take care of him however and pull the trade up at like the same time. Just feels like you will get milked for even more at that point..Or am I off my rocker?
26CornerBlitz Posted February 21, 2018 Posted February 21, 2018 Josh Rosen. He's pro ready and cost controlled for five years. 1
Hapless Bills Fan Posted February 21, 2018 Posted February 21, 2018 3 hours ago, BigBuff423 said: So here's legitimate question in my mind. We have two supremely gifted QBs in Mayfield and Rosen. One, is viewed as the silver-spoon brat who pisses all over anyone he wants because, he can....and the other is viewed a tough, charismatic leader who is misunderstood simply because he loves to win. If you've read up on both, and only if you have, please tell me which of these two present the greatest challenge to Draft based on the "character" concerns alone? In other words, which do you view as merely, "needs to grow up", vs. "he's whacked out and wont' get it right" or maybe you feel it's both or neither....I'm just curious. Well, first of all, can you dole me some gouge about Rosen actually "pissing all over anyone he wants because he can"? Because I haven't....outside of some college-boy hijinx like rearranging lawn ornaments and buying an inflatable hot tub to put in his room, the "knocks" I've read on Rosen are that he's 1) politically naive about the impacts of sharing his opinions in public 2) in terms of coaching, he will question everything (especially authority) and expect answers. He "doesn't know what he doesn't know", as Dilfer once said. I don't think Mayfield is "misunderstood" either. I think he's naive about the organizational impacts of his public behavior and gestures They both need to grow up, I don't see either of them as huge "red flags", though they both need to be understood during the interview process. Rosen is perhaps a bit more concerning, in that he needs to be in the hands of a personally secure, grounded coach who will hold up well under a barrage of questions and not interpret it as a "dis" on his authority. I don't see him as a "good fit" for Hue Jackson, not sure about Ken Zampese. I'm also not sure whether he has "bought in" to the idea that he needs to button it up and choose his words with care, or whether Mora has him in a head-lock and he's just waiting to get out of his grip.
Chuck Wagon Posted February 21, 2018 Posted February 21, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, Formerly Allan in MD said: Why, because he has a brain and opinions? No, because people don't agree with his opinions. Move up - Rosen - best prospect in the draft IMO Stay at 21 - Jackson - may have the highest upside of any of the QBs Edited February 21, 2018 by Chuck Wagon
McBean Posted February 21, 2018 Posted February 21, 2018 Kirk Cousins. Keep the picks and build through the draft.
Hapless Bills Fan Posted February 21, 2018 Posted February 21, 2018 13 minutes ago, Reed83HOF said: There are too many threads to pay attention to and I feel like I missed this and I know you would have this info: With Tyrod his bonus is due on 3/16; so a move with him should be made by that date. Doesn't that just telegraph that we are moving up way too much too soon? I feel like at that point, you need to take care of him however and pull the trade up at like the same time. Just feels like you will get milked for even more at that point..Or am I off my rocker? No, I think you're raising a valid point that concerns me also - not about wanting to "move up", but a more general one. That said, I don't think moving on Tyrod by 16 March necessarily telegraphs a "move up". It depends upon what else we do - trade for a QB, sign a FA QB and who. If we sign someone like McCarron, it might plausibly be considered we want to give him a shot to start and we're off the 1st round QB carousel. I personally don't think we should cut ties with Tyrod until we have someone we see as equal or better under contract. I think that is more important, frankly, than saving $6M. That was the lesson of 2013 IMO.
BuffaloBillyG Posted February 21, 2018 Posted February 21, 2018 1 hour ago, JohnBonhamRocks said: This is the exact pairing that I want. McCown would be affordable and is a good bridge guy with no appeal to be kept long-term. In the alternative, if OBD seems to want to start Mayfield (or whichever rookie they draft) from day one, then I'd suggest this guy named Fitzpatrick as the QB2. Fitzpatrick is more consistent than the Madden Curse. In the fact that every place he goes the starting QB misses long stretches of games lol. I'd still want McCown as the #2 guy. From what I have read on him he has the making of an excellent QB coach in the opinion of many of his coaches. Iirc there was some interest in him becoming a coach if he couldn't latch on anywhere else last season. I wouldn't be upset if Fitz came back. He's an E-P guy so he fits (ha..Fitz fits) but I think we could definitely do better.
JohnBonhamRocks Posted February 21, 2018 Posted February 21, 2018 3 minutes ago, KelsaysLunchbox said: Fitzpatrick is more consistent than the Madden Curse. In the fact that every place he goes the starting QB misses long stretches of games lol. I'd still want McCown as the #2 guy. From what I have read on him he has the making of an excellent QB coach in the opinion of many of his coaches. Iirc there was some interest in him becoming a coach if he couldn't latch on anywhere else last season. I wouldn't be upset if Fitz came back. He's an E-P guy so he fits (ha..Fitz fits) but I think we could definitely do better. I've heard that said on these board before about Fitz being a curse. My response has been that, hey, we're living in a post-drought world, so all bets are off concerning curses! I would like McCown as a QB2, too, but I'm not sure he would want that role. He could very well go somewhere that ensures him at least the opportunity to battle for QB1. Curse aside, I think Fitz would be at least a top 10 back-up QB in the league, if not top 5.
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