dave mcbride Posted February 19, 2018 Posted February 19, 2018 Great work. However, have you seen this? http://www.espn.com/blog/new-york-jets/post/_/id/74496/jets-poised-to-reboot-at-qb-with-kirk-cousins-their-focal-point I don’t know what will happen, but the Jets have the space to do it.
Hapless Bills Fan Posted February 19, 2018 Posted February 19, 2018 8 hours ago, NastyNateSoldiers said: I just can't understand why we would trade up for a QB that already has a concussion history plus a nerve issue in his elbow and problems with his shoulder . Rosen is damaged goods . HOW DO PEOPLE NOT SEE THIS? Yeah, I'm so glad we never drafted that Miami QB who blew out his shoulder his Senior season or that RB with the bad knee. Oh wait....
Hapless Bills Fan Posted February 19, 2018 Posted February 19, 2018 6 hours ago, Coach Tuesday said: Am I the only one who sees a hitch in Rosen’s throwing motion? He pats the ball before throwing it. Yes
GunnerBill Posted February 19, 2018 Author Posted February 19, 2018 37 minutes ago, dave mcbride said: Great work. However, have you seen this? http://www.espn.com/blog/new-york-jets/post/_/id/74496/jets-poised-to-reboot-at-qb-with-kirk-cousins-their-focal-point I don’t know what will happen, but the Jets have the space to do it. I still have the Broncos as the favourite.
Hapless Bills Fan Posted February 19, 2018 Posted February 19, 2018 (edited) 6 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: Take it fwiw but someone posted on twitter that he heard from someone close to Fitz that he (or his agent) had talked with McBeane about returning in a backup role. At the Wood "not a retirement" presser Fitz was seen standing by Daboll chatting for quite a while. Seen on video. 5 hours ago, ShadyBillsFan said: too damn expensive if you as me. No. Not for Rosen. IMHO. 41 minutes ago, dave mcbride said: Great work. However, have you seen this? http://www.espn.com/blog/new-york-jets/post/_/id/74496/jets-poised-to-reboot-at-qb-with-kirk-cousins-their-focal-point I don’t know what will happen, but the Jets have the space to do it. If I were Cousins and could pick and choose, the Jets would NOT be my chosen locale. But of course, I'm not.... Edited February 19, 2018 by Hapless Bills Fan
GunnerBill Posted February 19, 2018 Author Posted February 19, 2018 1 minute ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: At the Wood "not a retirement" presser Fitz was seen standing by Daboll chatting for quite a while. I think if you go Rosen you sign Fitz as the backup believing the rookie starts. If he isn't quite ready and Fitz needs to go 2-2 the first month no disaster. I'd actually love Fitz back. Of all the not good enough QBs we have had if I was a homer for any of them it was Fitzy. A three year contract that takes him to 38 and has very little dead money after 2018 to backup Josh Rosen.... I could live with that. 5 1
CuddyDark Posted February 19, 2018 Posted February 19, 2018 3 hours ago, horned dogs said: Do you know him personally? Personally - from someone's personal standpoint or according to their particular nature; in a subjective rather than an objective way: subjective - based on or influenced by personal feelings, tastes, or opinions: Contrasted with objective: 3 hours ago, Bangarang said: Hes from California. What more do you need to prove he is Rob Johnson!? Also has the same build as Rob and some say the same attitude.
Dr. Who Posted February 19, 2018 Posted February 19, 2018 1 hour ago, billykay said: Are these " ticks " positive or negative ? Progressive atheist is opposite to my own beliefs, but I don't see how religion or politics has any effect on the ability to play football.
NastyNateSoldiers Posted February 19, 2018 Posted February 19, 2018 1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Yeah, I'm so glad we never drafted that Miami QB who blew out his shoulder his Senior season or that RB with the bad knee. Oh wait.... How bout the concussions.
Dr. Who Posted February 19, 2018 Posted February 19, 2018 3 minutes ago, NastyNateSoldiers said: How bout the concussions. I am somewhat concerned about this. One assumes all the medical issues will be vetted at the Combine and in individual meetings with teams.
transplantbillsfan Posted February 19, 2018 Posted February 19, 2018 Nicely done. I'd be happy. But I think we're going to have to give up a little more.
John from Riverside Posted February 19, 2018 Posted February 19, 2018 1 hour ago, GunnerBill said: I think if you go Rosen you sign Fitz as the backup believing the rookie starts. If he isn't quite ready and Fitz needs to go 2-2 the first month no disaster. I'd actually love Fitz back. Of all the not good enough QBs we have had if I was a homer for any of them it was Fitzy. A three year contract that takes him to 38 and has very little dead money after 2018 to backup Josh Rosen.... I could live with that. I would totally be ok with Fitz as a backup
CommonCents Posted February 19, 2018 Posted February 19, 2018 Thanks for the work up Gunner. May I ask where you think Guice goes? If that trade played out between the Bills/Colts I see him going there at 21/22.
D. L. Hot-Flamethrower Posted February 19, 2018 Posted February 19, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, CuddyDark said: Personally - from someone's personal standpoint or according to their particular nature; in a subjective rather than an objective way: subjective - based on or influenced by personal feelings, tastes, or opinions: Contrasted with objective: Also has the same build as Rob and some say the same attitude. So you don't know him, I thought you might have some inside info on him. You know him from media reports. Got it Edited February 19, 2018 by horned dogs 1
billsredneck1 Posted February 19, 2018 Posted February 19, 2018 (edited) 12 hours ago, Buddo said: How much of the trade up to #3, is coloured by what you would like to see done? Tbh, I think #3 is about as high up as we can get, without giving up way too much, so from that standpoint, I can see the possibility. I just think that the Giants would be mad to not take a QB, when they won't get such a high pick, combined with a good QB class, in probably another 10 years or so. And if they do, then unless they take Allen to sit, the whole pack of cards comes tumbling down. I've also seen where the Colts are desperate for an edge rusher, and could well take Chubb @ #3, although there might be alternatives they would be happy with around the early 20s. Good effort though, and nice analysis to back it up. Food for thought. i've heard more than one source in the press from indy saying they will not trade. they want chubb...period. 12 hours ago, GunnerBill said: Here it is Mock Draft 2018 version 1.0. Before people start debating about the trade values…. They are all broadly in line with the Jimmy Johnson chart but amended a little bit to take into account the Rich Hill chart which has re-assigned pick values by tracking actual deals that have happened in recent years (and which at least a few teams have hinted that they are now using). 1. Browns - Sam Darnold, QB, USC After trading out of spots where Carson Wentz and Deshaun Watson were taken in the last two drafts the Browns have gone back to a traditional football savvy GM in John Dorsey. He knows you need a QB to win in the NFL and Sam Darnold seems to fit his profile of what one looks like. 2. Giants - Saquon Barkley, RB, Penn State I firmly believe the Giants are riding with Eli at QB for now. They are a trade back candidate at this spot but I feel like they don't want to move down as far as the likely trade up candidates would require because they have a desperate need at RB and Barkley is a potential elite talent. 3. TRADE! Bills - Josh Rosen, QB, UCLA (Bills get #3 & 6th Rounder; Colts get #21, #22, #53, 2018 4th rounder and 2019 2nd rounder) There are two teams in this draft publicly making noises about being aggressive at QB. The first of those, the Buffalo Bills, swing and swing big to take a shot on Josh Rosen. They are clearly ready to move on from Tyrod Taylor and hope to finally end 22 years of searching for the heir to Jim Kelly. 4. TRADE! Cardinals - Josh Allen, QB, Wyoming (Cardinals get #4; Browns get #15, #47 and 2019 1st rounder) The second is the Cardinals. As we stand they are in an even worse spot than the Bills having nothing of an NFL standard at the position. I suspect they target either Nick Foles or AJ McCarron as a bridge. Josh Allen is a big armed, downfield passer and even though Bruce Arians has gone that strikes me as the Arizona template for a franchise QB. 5. Broncos - Quenten Nelson, G, Notre Dame Denver doesn't take a QB here because I expect them to win the Kirk Cousins sweepstakes. Their offensive line has been a question mark for a number of years now and Nelson is considered by many to be the safest prospect in this draft. 6. Jets - Baker Mayfield, QB, Oklahoma The Jets sit tight and hold their nerve at #6 and still end up with a high end Quarterback prospect. Mayfield's brash attitude seems tailor made for New York and after years of taking shots on 2nd and 3rd rate prospects (Geno, Hackenburg and Petty) this could be the long term answer to the Jets' Quarterback conundrum. 7. Buccaneers - Bradley Chubb, CB, NC State I have Bradley Chubb as the #1 player on my board and if he drops to #7 because of a run on Quarterbacks the Buccaneers would be jumping for joy and sprinting to the podium. 8. Bears - Calvin Ridley, WR, Alabama Chicago has to be pretty close to admitting that Kevin White is a bust. So three years after that mistake and with an improved defense and hopefully their franchise QB in place they go back to the receiver well for Ridley. A smooth route runner who can get separation he is a nice fit for Matt Nagy's offense. 9. 49ers - Minkah Fitzpatrick, CB, Alabama Is Fitzpatrick a corner or a safety? The 49ers probably don't mind. They need playmakers in their defensive backfield and Fitzpatrick is the best player available at this stage. 10. Raiders - Roquan Smith, LB, Georgia The Raiders need to draft defense, defense, and some more defense. Navarro Bowman was a short term solution at linebacker in 2017 but he is an impending FA. Roquan Smith is a top 10 player by my board and he has the speed that John Gruden loves. 11. Dolphins - Tremaine Edmunds, LB, Virginia Tech Another team with an obvious linebacker deficiency is the Miami Dolphins. They were fielding the professional corpse of Lawrence Timmons' career as a starter last season and Kiko Alonso's performance slumped after a decent 2016. Tremaine Edmunds is a name making a lot of noise in scouting circles early in this draft season and I can imagine the Dolphins being very happy to select him at this spot. 12. Bengals - Orlando Brown, OT, Oklahoma The Bengals offensive line is by far the weakest spot on this team. Their tackle play was so bad last year they ended up moving star guard Clint Boling out there to protect Dalton's blindside. There are three first round graded tackle in this class by my board but Orlando Brown Snr had so much success in the AFC North that it just feels right that his son ends up there too! 13. Redskins - Vita Vea, DT, Washington The Redskins snagged dramatic faller Jonathan Allen in last year's draft to solidify the defensive tackle position but concerns about his ability to stay healthy seem well founded and I still believe a more disruptive penetrating tackle like Vea would make that defense more productive. 14. Packers - Marcus Davenport, OLB, UTSA I feel like every year I mock a pass rusher to the Packers in the first round and they pick a defensive back instead. Davenport is raw but has a sky high ceiling and is a perfect fit for new defensive coordinator Mike Pettine's 3-4 defense. 15. Browns - Denzel Ward, CB, Ohio State The Browns have needs everywhere and could go in almost any direction at this spot. I have some concerns about Ward's ability to play outside in the NFL (size and ability to track the deep ball) but he is fast and smooth and Cleveland does have a need in the secondary. 16. Ravens - Courtland Sutton, WR, SMU The Ravens defense was pretty good last year, so they have to focus on upgrading the offense. Joe Flacco's best years were with a burner receiver on one side and a contested catch guy opposite him. Grabbing 6ft4 Courtland Sutton and retaining pending FA Mike Wallace would recreate that combination. 17. Chargers - Derwin James, S, Florida State On paper the Chargers don't have many holes but their top safety last year was dust settle FA signing Tre Boston but he is a pending FA again and will want a significant salary bump so the Chargers could go to the draft for a replacement and Florida State's Derwin James is among the best players left at this point. 18. Seahawks - Isiah Wynn, OG, Georgia I feel like I say the Seahawks should go offensive line every single draft and they normally trade back out of the first round altogether! They could go OT here but having traded for Duane Brown in season guard is probably a bigger need. Wynn played tackle in college and I am not totally convinced he can't do that in the NFL, but he has the versatility to play guard too. 19. Cowboys - Maurice Hurst, DT, Michigan Dallas could go defensive back here but I think they need some interior pass rush whether DeMarcus Lawrence re-signs on the edge or not. Hurst was consistently getting into the backfield for the Wolverines and would upgrade the Cowboys' defensive line. 20. Lions - Rashaan Evans, LB, Alabama The Lions have a need at linebacker even though Jarrad Davis had a good rookie year in 2017. Tahir Whitehead is a FA and looks unlikely to be back. Matt Patricia has coordinated a New England defense featuring Brandon Spikes and then Dont'a Hightower at MLB because of the scheme familiarity Crimson Tide guys have from Saban to Belichick. For that reason another Alabama linebacker to make the calls in Patricia’s Detroit defense makes a lot of sense to me. 21. Colts - Mike Hughes, CB, UCF The Colts were willing to give up #3 for two first round picks precisely because they need a lot of holes filling. One of those is unquestionably at corner. I have Mike Hughes higher on my board than Joshua Jackson and he would be an immediate starter. 22. Colts - Connor Williams, OT, Texas Connor Williams' final year at Texas was not as impressive as his sophomore year in 2016 but if the Colts can get Andrew Luck back on the field they need to protect him. Williams could start at right tackle and eventually slide across to replace the overpaid Anthony Castonzo on the left side. 23. Rams - Joshua Jackson, CB, Iowa I get the feeling that teams might not be as high on Jackson as the talking heads are. I think he is a 2nd round talent but the Rams have a major need at corner - Tremaine Johnson is a FA and is not worth the money he wants to stay. 24. Panthers - Mike McGlinchey, OT, Notre Dame During Marty Hurney's first spell as Panthers GM he had a couple of misses trying to find a franchise left tackle. The Panthers cannot keep trying to recycle other people's trash at the position though, they need to find their long term answer and McGlinchey is a fit. 25. Titans - Harold Landry, DE, Boston College Mike Vrabel never coached directly for Belichick but he played for him and coached for Bill O'Brien. Harold Landry is such a Belichick like pick. Smart, high motor, from a north eastern school. He happens to fill a need for the Titans too. 26. Falcons - Da'ron Payne, DT, Alabama Dontarie Poe filled a need as a FA signing for the Falcons in 2017, but he is an impending FA and they could still do with finding a long term answer as a dominating, run stuffing presence in the middle of that defensive line. If Payne is still on the board I think Atlanta would find him hard to pass up. 27. Saints - James Washington, WR, Oklahoma State A fast, shifty receiver who isn't the most polished route runner but just seems to find ways to get separation down the field? Sounds like a fit for the New Orleans Saints. Washington will replace what the Saints traded away when sending Brandin Cooks to New England last offseason. 28. Steelers - Mason Rudolph, QB, Oklahoma State Pittsburgh has a very good roster almost top to bottom but a Quarterback who keeps flirting with retirement. Mason Rudolph is not universally loved but I am pretty high on him and I think he could slide right in to that Pittsburgh scheme which runs plenty of spread concepts after a year or two sitting behind Big Ben. 29. Jaguars - Will Hernandez, OG, UTEP The Jags could go Quarterback here but we know Coughlin and Marrone want to run it every down because they told us they do. They got their bruiser at running back last year and now improving the push the offensive line gets to open holes for him should be the priority. Hernandez is a nasty, aggressive run blocker who is a perfect fit for Marrone's power scheme. 30. Vikings - Arden Key, DE, LSU When I ask myself "which defensive minded Head Coach in the NFL takes a chance on talented but troubled?" I answer - Mike Zimmer. Arden Key is probably the most talented prospect left on the board and Minnesota is always looking to add to its defensive strength. 31. Patriots - Ronnie Harrison, S, Alabama After watching Jacksonville and then Philadelphia tear up his defense in the AFC Championship Game and Superbowl I can imagine Bill Belichick believing he needs a tough tone setter. Enter Ronnie Harrison, who puts the hard into "hard hitting" at the safety position. 32. TRADE! Chargers - Lamar Jackson, QB, Louisville (Chargers get #32; Eagles get #48 and #82) And the first round ends in intrigue as the Los Angeles Chargers jump up to take a shot on Louisville's Lamar Jackson. Philadelphia feels good enough about its World Champion roster to slide back and the Chargers finally have a succession plan to Philip Rivers. Okay guys.... flame away. sorry i haven't read through all the posts yet, but i would be pissed to give all that for josh cutler. ....and at 21/22 you have the best 2 tackles in the draft so why wouldn't we just deal with the broncos and take baker in front of the jets. good effort though, more than i would have done. i 'll wait til fa gets going. Edited February 19, 2018 by billsredneck1
billsredneck1 Posted February 19, 2018 Posted February 19, 2018 9 hours ago, GunnerBill said: He is an atheist who dislikes Trump.... two huge ticks in the box if I was evaluating on personality (I am not). and an outspoken generalizing one at that. which means when adversity hits in some form, he could turn into a c.kaep...pass
GunnerBill Posted February 19, 2018 Author Posted February 19, 2018 1 hour ago, Commonsense said: Thanks for the work up Gunner. May I ask where you think Guice goes? If that trade played out between the Bills/Colts I see him going there at 21/22. He is a 1st / 2nd borderline guy to me. Him sneaking into the bottom half of the first would not surprise me but I don't think he is a 1st round lock. As for the Colts going running back.... Chris Ballard was in a front office that found Spencer Ware on the street and Kareem Hunt in the 3rd round. The Colts have so many needs at key positions, pass rusher, tackle, edge... I think a runnkng back in the 1st (even with two 1st rounders) would be a massive luxury. 1
CommonCents Posted February 19, 2018 Posted February 19, 2018 4 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: He is a 1st / 2nd borderline guy to me. Him sneaking into the bottom half of the first would not surprise me but I don't think he is a 1st round lock. As for the Colts going running back.... Chris Ballard was in a front office that found Spencer Ware on the street and Kareem Hunt in the 3rd round. The Colts have so many needs at key positions, pass rusher, tackle, edge... I think a runnkng back in the 1st (even with two 1st rounders) would be a massive luxury. Good stuff on Ballard. Thanks. I'd be shocked if he gets out of the first round. Then shortly after I'd be screaming for a trade up!
billsredneck1 Posted February 19, 2018 Posted February 19, 2018 8 hours ago, Royale with Cheese said: I actually thought about this over the weekend. Is Fitz a real possibility to come back? I wonder if he'll have to give Joe Webb $20,000 to get his #14 back? I did. John Elway used to do the same thing. so did bledsack
billsredneck1 Posted February 20, 2018 Posted February 20, 2018 8 hours ago, aristocrat said: i wonder if shaw lawson has much value? if he can be thrown in the trade making it just the 2 ones would that be enough? i get called crazy, but i send both 2nds and tt to denver for no. 5 and chad kelly. this because i think cousins ends up in denver. welcome to buffalo baker! now, let's get gaines signed, preston signed and maybe sign ziggy. lots of room to work.
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