PFF Identifies Zay Jones as a Rookie Who Can Bounce Back in 2018

[PolishDave]

PLEASE GOD don't let this devolve into another friggin Tyrod thread.

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

1 minute ago, kdiggz said:

he can't get much worse.  literally.  he won't be playing if he doesn't "bounce back"

 

Yeah, there were the obvious drops.  Then there were ones where he just couldn't make a play on a tough pass.  Not everything is going to be right in the bread basket.  Most aren't.  He didn't show an ability to make tough catches, and that's a concern. 

[26CornerBlitz]

2 minutes ago, PolishDave said:

PLEASE GOD don't let this devolve into another friggin Tyrod thread.

 

That would call for a thread deletion.

[Lfod]

7 minutes ago, dneveu said:

 

Same or similar players had us 10th in points and 16th in yards in 2016.  This year we were 22nd in points in 29th in yards.  So yes - I blame Dennison.  He made the team worse and I'm glad he was fired.

 

Red zone TD scoring - 64.81% in 2016 to 51.11% in 2017

Rushing YPA - 5.3 in 2016 to 4.1 in 2017

We were even worse at passing...

 

5.4 NYA in 2017 16 TDs and 10 picks
5.8 NYA in 2016 17 TDs and 7 picks

 

Same RB, TE, QB, most of the O-line.  And significantly worse results.  

 

What did we get better at under Dennison?  

I wouldn't disagree. Dennison was to blame. I don't think that absolves everybody of everything. Some of the problems should fall into the category of execution. 

 

We had a good run game. Shady was a beast until 8 men in the box.

Edited February 16, 2018 by Lfod

[Kirby Jackson]

13 minutes ago, Lfod said:

I know right it's Peterman and Dennisons fault Tyrod got benched and then put up 3 points in the playoffs huehuehue.

FWIW, I think that the Bills put a lot of blame at Dennison’s feet. They fired him. Is that not an obvious sign that they weren’t happy with the job that he was doing?

[BuffaloRush]

1 hour ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

6. ZAY JONES, WR, BUFFALO BILLS

2017 overall grade: 43.6

After both Sammy Watkins and Robert Woods walked out the door last offseason, in one way or another to Los Angeles, it became more clear that Zay Jones was in for a high-volume role at receiver in Buffalo. Year 1 certainly didn’t go as planned as Jones finished the season ranked 108th out of 116 qualified wide receivers in terms of overall grade and Bills’ quarterbacks had just a 60.8 passer rating when targeting him. Jones should fare better in Year 2 if he can rectify the drop issue that snuck up on him as a rookie. Jones dropped 5-of-32 catchable targets this past season, one year after he dropped just 6-of-164 catchable targets in his final campaign at ECU.

 

Call me crazy but I think his is 100% spot on.  I think a move to the slot would be best.  He is not an outside WR

[BillnutinHouston]

24 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

I said it early but Zay got the yips like a golfer gets. He just never recovered. 

 

Never?  I don't recall many drops in the final 4-or-so games of the season.   In fact I recall a few nice catches in there.  

 

Come on, say it with me, "Zay will be fine".

[Lfod]

8 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

FWIW, I think that the Bills put a lot of blame at Dennison’s feet. They fired him. Is that not an obvious sign that they weren’t happy with the job that he was doing?

I agree but I would also say at least a part of it was on execution. We had a strong run game untill 8 men hit the box. I love Shady but I can't expect him to be the only weapon. Who is to say that Daboll wasn't the plan in waiting and Dennison wasn't a stop gap himself. It's possible right?

Edited February 16, 2018 by Lfod

[26CornerBlitz]

He's already excited about the 2018 season.

 

[PolishDave]

2 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

He's already excited about the 2018 season.

 

 

Tre White is a better dancer.  

Edited February 16, 2018 by PolishDave

[John from Riverside]

I firmly believe that Zay is gonna get it together in year 2

 

There was nothing from his college career that would indicate that he has this problem......he is a slot guy and needs to play there

[BillsFan130]

6 minutes ago, BillnutinHouston said:

 

Never?  I don't recall many drops in the final 4-or-so games of the season.   In fact I recall a few nice catches in there.  

 

Come on, say it with me, "Zay will be fine".

In the final four games, Zay Jones had 2 receptions for 25 yards on 13 targets...

 

Can you get worse than that for a number 2-3 receiver on the depth chart?

[transplantbillsfan]

2 hours ago, White Linen said:

This is one of the major reasons to not like Taylor as your teams QB.  He's a development killer.  

 

Or our crappy WR corps is a development killer for our QB.

 

Let's hope that regardless of who's under center our WRs are drastically better next year.

 

A healthy KB will be a fantastic start.

[Kirby Jackson]

44 minutes ago, BillnutinHouston said:

 

Never?  I don't recall many drops in the final 4-or-so games of the season.   In fact I recall a few nice catches in there.  

 

Come on, say it with me, "Zay will be fine".

He caught 4 balls after week 10 on 13 targets. He had 47 yards. We didn’t notice him because they lost confidence in him and stopped throwing him the ball. He had 6 total targets over the last 4 weeks. He might be fine but he didn’t come around.

Edited February 16, 2018 by Kirby Jackson

[Schmuggs]

Stone hands had a record year of embarrassment. 

 

There is is no way to go but up.

 

He is hanging by a thread though and will be replaced if his nerves continue to hinder his production. 

[ProcessAccepted]

1 hour ago, ScottLaw said:

Dude Zay sucked. He was awful and that is independent of Tyrod.

 

Need to find another receiver opposite Benjamin. 

 

I'll agree that his rookie campaign was not steller, but it's way too soon to write him off.

 

There's a ton of examples of guys not fully getting it till year 3. One of my all time favorite WRs is Eric Moulds and it took him 3 years to crack 300 yards. Zay has the talent to be a really good WR in this league. If your patient you'll see.

[Kirby Jackson]

38 minutes ago, Lfod said:

I agree but I would also say at least a part of it was on execution. We had a strong run game untill 8 men hit the box. I love Shady but I can't expect him to be the only weapon. Who is to say that Daboll wasn't the plan in waiting and Dennison wasn't a stop gap himself. It's possible right?

Certainly it is possible. I was replying to the sarcastic implication that “it was Dennison’s fault.” The Bills CLEARLY felt that he was a large part of the problem. He was there 1 year and canned. That wasn’t a scapegoat move. That was a “you did a bad job” move.

[26CornerBlitz]

1 minute ago, ProcessAccepted said:

 

I'll agree that his rookie campaign was not steller, but it's way too soon to write him off.

 

There's a ton of examples of guys not fully getting it till year 3. One of my all time favorite WRs is Eric Moulds and it took him 3 years to crack 300 yards. Zay has the talent to be a really good WR in this league. If your patient you'll see.

 

Nelson Agholor is one good example.

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

What was the % of deep routes verses quick slants or 5 to 10 yard outs?  

 

Should they have played more to his strengths?   I do recall a game or 2 where he was rock solid and caught just about everything thrown at him.  (yes, there were 2 or 3 of those games) 

 

People keep saying play to TT's strengths ...  so it should be the same so  

Edited February 16, 2018 by ShadyBillsFan

[SoTier]

2 hours ago, White Linen said:

This is one of the major reasons to not like Taylor as your teams QB.  He's a development killer.  

 

I suppose Taylor caused global warming, too.