PaattMaann Posted February 16, 2018 Posted February 16, 2018 3 minutes ago, Finkle Is Einhorn said: Rashaad Penny he did look really good playing D 2 schools
JohnBonhamRocks Posted February 16, 2018 Posted February 16, 2018 Interested in prospects in the mid-to-late portions of the draft, especially if we retain Cadet. My main guys are Adams (ND), Smith (Southern Miss), and Scarborough (Alabama).
HumbleAndHungry Posted February 16, 2018 Posted February 16, 2018 (edited) 20 minutes ago, PaattMaann said: he did look really good playing D 2 schools Kareem Hunt is FBS MAC...he's doing pretty well Edited February 16, 2018 by Finkle Is Einhorn
MAJBobby Posted February 16, 2018 Posted February 16, 2018 24 minutes ago, PaattMaann said: yea his lack of college production is what I was referring to when I asked "what is the deal" and "Why didnt he ever really produce"? I can see lack of use, and am wondering why....lack of hands eh? Seems like it would have to be more than that...Daboll should know best though From my Bana fan friends that closely follow them he doesnt want to put the work in. Lazy. Hard to coach thinks his talent out of HS was going to carry him. Was given every opportunity in spring ball to claim the top spot and didnt put the work in. Saban is HUGE on putting the work in ala McD. I dont see him as a fit because of those comments from my Buddies. 1
PaattMaann Posted February 16, 2018 Posted February 16, 2018 6 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: From my Bana fan friends that closely follow them he doesnt want to put the work in. Lazy. Hard to coach thinks his talent out of HS was going to carry him. Was given every opportunity in spring ball to claim the top spot and didnt put the work in. Saban is HUGE on putting the work in ala McD. I dont see him as a fit because of those comments from my Buddies. exactly the info I was looking for, thanks! 10 minutes ago, Finkle Is Einhorn said: Kareem Hunt is FBS MAC...he's doing pretty well if you saw my earlier post regarding Penny, you would see that I really do want to like him and love the idea of being able to nab a potential future RB1 in the 3rd/4th round....but who he played against worries me. Highlights/game tape is full of him running around untouched And personally i think the MAC is better football than the Mountain West
MAJBobby Posted February 16, 2018 Posted February 16, 2018 (edited) 4 minutes ago, PaattMaann said: exactly the info I was looking for, thanks! Yep not a problem. I was wondering as well with the Size Speed and talent of this kid why he didnt become the best back in NCAA. So i asked my buddies for their opinions. They also add looks like AP in his run style but gets hurt alot. Has zero hands offers no value on third down. Edited February 16, 2018 by MAJBobby
Tommy Posted February 16, 2018 Posted February 16, 2018 26 minutes ago, PaattMaann said: he did look really good playing D 2 schools I completely agree that Penny played against a lower level of competition. However, I just wanted to clarify that San Diego State is in the Mountain West Conference, which is Division 1 (FBS). Personally, I'm not blown away by Penny. I am concerned about the level of competition, and as another poster mentioned, he seems to run with a little bit of stiffness. I'm also a little concerned about his production being a product of the system he is in -- Donnel Pumphrey ran for over over 2,000 yards in 2016 at San Diego State as a 5'8", 178lb RB.
PaattMaann Posted February 16, 2018 Posted February 16, 2018 Just now, Tommy said: I completely agree that Penny played against a lower level of competition. However, I just wanted to clarify that San Diego State is in the Mountain West Conference, which is Division 1 (FBS). Personally, I'm not blown away by Penny. I am concerned about the level of competition, and as another poster mentioned, he seems to run with a little bit of stiffness. I'm also a little concerned about his production being a product of the system he is in -- Donnel Pumphrey ran for over over 2,000 yards in 2016 at San Diego State as a 5'8", 178lb RB. my D 2 school comment was in jest....I know SD St is in the Mountain West...but the mountain west sucks at footballing Big question with Penny is: can his talent play in the NFL or is his production based on the poor level of Comp in college?
PolishDave Posted February 16, 2018 Posted February 16, 2018 Because the Bills already have Shady, I would look to sign the best undrafted guy I could find - or get a decent affordable backup back in free agency - like Cadet was.
PaattMaann Posted February 16, 2018 Posted February 16, 2018 2 minutes ago, PolishDave said: Because the Bills already have Shady, I would look to sign the best undrafted guy I could find - or get a decent affordable backup back in free agency - like Cadet was. and then what is your plan for IF shady gets injured / hits the year 30 RB wall / in another year or two when Shady is done? Your solution just seems to be kick the can down the road or do what we did last year and bet all in on Shady....I think many of us here and hopefully the FO realize we need to address the RB position for now and the future... Above in the post I did mention addressing the RB spot in FA (possibly resigning Cadet) but we also need to add play makers on offense/ST and the RB position is certainly a way to do that via this draft 1
MAJBobby Posted February 16, 2018 Posted February 16, 2018 4 minutes ago, PaattMaann said: and then what is your plan for IF shady gets injured / hits the year 30 RB wall / in another year or two when Shady is done? Your solution just seems to be kick the can down the road or do what we did last year and bet all in on Shady....I think many of us here and hopefully the FO realize we need to address the RB position for now and the future... Above in the post I did mention addressing the RB spot in FA (possibly resigning Cadet) but we also need to add play makers on offense/ST and the RB position is certainly a way to do that via this draft I am on board with a RB in draft. If value is there. In 3rd round or later (prefer later) 1
SouthNYfan Posted February 16, 2018 Posted February 16, 2018 9 hours ago, thunderingsquid said: Freeman is so much faster than Stewart it's not funny. I saw both out here and it's no contest. Stewart ran a 4.46 sec 40 How could he possibly be "so much faster" and "no contest" 8 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: I am on board with a RB in draft. If value is there. In 3rd round or later (prefer later) Unless a stud is avail in round 2 and your other targeted guys were already picked
PolishDave Posted February 16, 2018 Posted February 16, 2018 15 minutes ago, PaattMaann said: and then what is your plan for IF shady gets injured / hits the year 30 RB wall / in another year or two when Shady is done? Your solution just seems to be kick the can down the road or do what we did last year and bet all in on Shady....I think many of us here and hopefully the FO realize we need to address the RB position for now and the future... Above in the post I did mention addressing the RB spot in FA (possibly resigning Cadet) but we also need to add play makers on offense/ST and the RB position is certainly a way to do that via this draft I'm not betting "all" on Shady. I prefer an elite back like him to an average guy, but I don't see the need to spend good draft capital (round 4 or better) on a backup running back or a guy you intend to "groom" or whatever. Decent backup backs are numerous. Tolbert is not one. The other guys they had here were. In the offense I would like to see the Bills run, a decent back is good enough as a backup and the dropoff from Shady to a decent backup back will not be that much. I would much, much, much rather spend that draft capital on an offensive line prospect way before I would spend it on a running back. If your offensive line is great, you can throw any back behind it and your run game will be productive. Yes you are better off with elite running backs. We already have one. I wait till he is done before I go after another elite guy. And decent backup backs can be had undrafted in my opinion- or from the scrapheap of other teams who bring in a new younger guy.
MAJBobby Posted February 16, 2018 Posted February 16, 2018 8 minutes ago, SouthNYfan said: Stewart ran a 4.46 sec 40 How could he possibly be "so much faster" and "no contest" Unless a stud is avail in round 2 and your other targeted guys were already picked I am not even sure i would use a 2nd on a RB. The value to me just isnt there. Year after year RBs excel in this league from the later rounds.
Mat68 Posted February 16, 2018 Posted February 16, 2018 1 hour ago, Buffalo30 said: He's mostly a question mark at this point due to his lack of carries. Makes me wonder if he has work ethic problems or other things that would have made him take less carries. Then again, Harris was a solid back. I'm sure Daboll will have input. It'll be interesting to see what type of running back they go for. There is every kind of back you can ever want in this class. I would be concerned if it was any other school. Alabama over recruits and they are the worst at it for RBs. Just look in the NFL this past year. Drake for Miami couldnt break the starting lineup, and Karma had to transfer because he couldn't get on the field there. He is a one cut runner with not much wear and tear. In the middle rounds he would a target of mine.
SouthNYfan Posted February 16, 2018 Posted February 16, 2018 8 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: I am not even sure i would use a 2nd on a RB. The value to me just isnt there. Year after year RBs excel in this league from the later rounds. I think RBs are an even bigger crapshoot than most When you look at the number of 2nd round and later guys that excel, it's astounding vs the number that don't. I guess what I'm saying is I'll agree that you might as well just take one later because it's insane how many don't play well
PaattMaann Posted February 16, 2018 Posted February 16, 2018 17 minutes ago, PolishDave said: I'm not betting "all" on Shady. I prefer an elite back like him to an average guy, but I don't see the need to spend good draft capital (round 4 or better) on a backup running back or a guy you intend to "groom" or whatever. Decent backup backs are numerous. Tolbert is not one. The other guys they had here were. In the offense I would like to see the Bills run, a decent back is good enough as a backup and the dropoff from Shady to a decent backup back will not be that much. I would much, much, much rather spend that draft capital on an offensive line prospect way before I would spend it on a running back. If your offensive line is great, you can throw any back behind it and your run game will be productive. Yes you are better off with elite running backs. We already have one. I wait till he is done before I go after another elite guy. And decent backup backs can be had undrafted in my opinion- or from the scrapheap of other teams who bring in a new younger guy. I do agree about fixing/building the o-line over a RB....that is why this thread is dedicated to discussing late round RB options...are you THAT polish? : ) 1
PolishDave Posted February 16, 2018 Posted February 16, 2018 Just now, PaattMaann said: I do agree about fixing/building the o-line over a RB....that is why this thread is dedicated to discussing late round RB options...are you THAT polish? : ) I missed that in the thread title. My bad. 2
PaattMaann Posted February 16, 2018 Posted February 16, 2018 Just now, PolishDave said: I missed that in the thread title. My bad. wasnt in the title but was in the OP 15 hours ago, Buffalo716 said: We all know the Bills need a Better RB to spell Shady. But should we acquire him in FA or the draft? This is a pretty deep RB class with good RBs through the first 3 maybe 4 rounds... I guy I would really have my eyes on would be Royce Freeman of Oregon. He is big (6ft 230lb) runs with good vision and patience and can be the bruiser we need in the run game He can block, and has decent hands as well so he is versatile spelling Shady he will be even more effective and would be a great compliment to our run game He is comfortable in a zone or power scheme as well id love to have him in the 3rd or 4th if he somehow fell (Discussion of Mid/Late round picks)
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