Draft two QB's in round one?

[BADOLBILZ]

I went on Fanspeak and did their mock simulator and in this instance Josh Allen and Lamar Jackson were both there at the Bills picks.......perhaps unlikely but wouldn't entirely surprise me........and it occurred to me.......why not both?

 

You'd get 2 gifted QB prospects under team control for 4-5 years.

 

To me......a lot of young QB's struggle without competition........they get in their own head and it undoes them.......this gives them a competitor entering at the same level........game on.

 

I know people think those 1st round picks are gold but QB trumps all........doesn't matter if that player becomes a star like Tre White or just a Shaq Lawson.......QB is so far more important that I like my odds taking two swings at it.     

[BuffaloBillyG]

No. Draft 2 QBs. Let them split reps and coaches attention instead of focusing on one guy. Ignore every other hole on the field. Just not a good plan. 

 

As you said QB trump's all...so why not develop the guy you feel is best instead of a second guy to distract from that?

[Kirby Jackson]

3 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

I went on Fanspeak and did their mock simulator and in this instance Josh Allen and Lamar Jackson were both there at the Bills picks.......perhaps unlikely but wouldn't entirely surprise me........and it occurred to me.......why not both?

 

You'd get 2 gifted QB prospects under team control for 4-5 years.

 

To me......a lot of young QB's struggle without competition........they get in their own head and it undoes them.......this gives them a competitor entering at the same level........game on.

 

I know people think those 1st round picks are gold but QB trumps all........doesn't matter if that player becomes a star like Tre White or just a Shaq Lawson.......QB is so far more important that I like my odds taking two swings at it.     

We might be able to get 2 more in the 2nd too depending on how it falls. 

[stinky finger]

Wait - hey!

 

How many picks do we have? I mean, QB is THEE most important position.

[BADOLBILZ]

9 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

We might be able to get 2 more in the 2nd too depending on how it falls. 

 

 

My experience in sports growing up was that as much as I resented being put in competition I was much better and much more comfortable in those situations than when I was getting talked up by coaches and basically just competing against a standard.

 

Same in business too.

 

And yeah *maybe* these young guys can do a Tom Brady and create a fake chip on their shoulder to get themselves out of their own heads as they are not-so-subtly being unconditionally groomed to replace a Sam Bradford or Tyrod Taylor...............but at the base level that raw guys like Allen and Jackson are starting at I want to tap into their competitive nature to get them to their potential.

[stinky finger]

4 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

My experience in sports growing up was that as much as I resented being put in competition I was much better and much more comfortable in those situations than when I was getting talked up by coaches and basically just competing against a standard.

 

Same in business too.

 

And yeah *maybe* these young guys can do a Tom Brady and create a fake chip on their shoulder to get themselves out of their own heads as they are not-so-subtly being unconditionally groomed to replace a Sam Bradford or Tyrod Taylor...............but at the base level that raw guys like Allen and Jackson are starting at I want to tap into their competitive nature to get them to their potential.

 

Sounds like a waste of a pick to me.

[BringBackOrton]

4 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

My experience in sports growing up was that as much as I resented being put in competition I was much better and much more comfortable in those situations than when I was getting talked up by coaches and basically just competing against a standard.

 

Same in business too.

 

And yeah *maybe* these young guys can do a Tom Brady and create a fake chip on their shoulder to get themselves out of their own heads as they are not-so-subtly being unconditionally groomed to replace a Sam Bradford or Tyrod Taylor...............but at the base level that raw guys like Allen and Jackson are starting at I want to tap into their competitive nature to get them to their potential.

I like this but it won't happen.  As much as McD preaches the process, he's a slave to optics like everyone else.

[BADOLBILZ]

3 minutes ago, inaugural balls said:

 

Sounds like a waste of a pick to me.

 

 

When the Bills took the field in Jacksonville in the wildcard game........Tre'Davious White was the only one of their first picks from the entire 17 year drought period on the field.

 

Apparently you can patch holes enough to make the playoffs without a lot of help from the first round.

 

The funniest part is that the Bills passed on Drew Brees after drought year 1 and he's still playing and the Bills got NUTHIN' to show for all that losing.

 

 QB's........not bad investments, IMO.

 

 

[stinky finger]

1 minute ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

When the Bills took the field in Jacksonville in the wildcard game........Tre'Davious White was the only one of their first picks from the entire 17 year drought period on the field.

 

Apparently you can patch holes enough to make the playoffs without a lot of help from the first round.

 

The funniest part is that the Bills passed on Drew Brees after drought year 1 and he's still playing and the Bills got NUTHIN' to show for all that losing.

 

 QB's........not bad investments, IMO.

 

 

 

One QB in round one for me....thanks.

[BADOLBILZ]

1 minute ago, inaugural balls said:

 

One QB in round one for me....thanks.

 

I agree, trade up and get him.

 

If it costs 3 firsts and a second or more.......whatever.

 

17 years of the Bills drafting around 10th-11th on average.......loser level........and hitting on many impactful first rounders like Clements, McGahee, Lee Evans, Lynch, Whitner, Gilmore, Dareus, Watkins........and still having not a got-damn thing to show for it should tell people just how golden those first round picks are when they aren't a QB.

 

It doesn't........fans are still so ga-ga about first round picks that even a HOF plaque won't match that new car smell.

[I_want_2_BILL_Lieve]

This has been coming up a lot recently. I know people keep citing how well it worked out with Washington. But that's the exception. 

 

The Current CBA (which I think came after the Washington example) limits practice time during the offseason. There just are not enough footballs in training camp to go around. If we're going with a bridge QB, that limits a rookies time even more. I'm not sure you wind up developing either guy.  

 

I get the idea. But pick one, and do it right. Otherwise it's a wasted pick. 

 

EDIT: Upon further review: the CBA was ratified in 2011, and RGIII was drafted in 2012. 

Edited February 15, 2018 by I_want_2_BILL_Lieve

[Blokestradamus]

56 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

Josh Allen and Lamar Jackson were both there at the Bills picks

 

You'd get 2 gifted QB prospects under team control for 4-5 years.  

 

Ehhhhhh, you'd barely get one

[BADOLBILZ]

1 minute ago, I_want_2_BILL_Lieve said:

This has been coming up a lot recently. I know people keep citing how well it worked out with Washington. But that's the exception. 

 

The Current CBA (which I think came after the Washington example) limits practice time during the offseason. There just are not enough footballs in training camp to go around. If we're going with a bridge QB, the limits a rookies time even more. I'm not sure you wind up developing either guy.  

 

I get the idea. But pick one, and do it right. Otherwise it's a wasted pick. 

 

 

Picking two in round 1 hasn't been brought up to my knowledge.

 

I actually think bringing in a Kyle Lauletta-type to battle with a first rounder creates a negative situation where the two young QB's don't start off on even footing.

 

And I'm not worried about the practice time.........if they are competitors they will always be working and be that much better in a limited practice setting.

 

Also the preseason would be !@#$ing awesome.

2 minutes ago, Blokestradamus said:

 

Ehhhhhh, you'd barely get one

 

 

Hey.......what do you want picking in the 20's?

 

If you want dibs on the best QB prospects don't trade your first round pick to a perennial playoff team with a proven coach and QB when you could just trade it to QB-less Houston and pick 4th overall.

[Seanbillsfan2206]

1 hour ago, BADOLBILZ said:

I went on Fanspeak and did their mock simulator and in this instance Josh Allen and Lamar Jackson were both there at the Bills picks.......perhaps unlikely but wouldn't entirely surprise me........and it occurred to me.......why not both?

 

You'd get 2 gifted QB prospects under team control for 4-5 years.

 

To me......a lot of young QB's struggle without competition........they get in their own head and it undoes them.......this gives them a competitor entering at the same level........game on.

 

I know people think those 1st round picks are gold but QB trumps all........doesn't matter if that player becomes a star like Tre White or just a Shaq Lawson.......QB is so far more important that I like my odds taking two swings at it.     

I like you, but you sir are crazy

[Blokestradamus]

4 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

Hey.......what do you want picking in the 20's?

 

If you want dibs on the best QB prospects don't trade your first round pick to a perennial playoff team with a proven coach and QB when you could just trade it to QB-less Houston and pick 4th overall.

 

If the talent matches up within the class, I'm not opposed to doing what the Redskins did and double dipping into the class. Probably not in back-to-back picks in the 1st but this is a talent acquisition business. Giving yourself more chances at hitting on a vital cog can't be seen as a bad idea in principle.

 

I think the primary issue comes with Peterman. I can't see the team cutting bait in one year with him and the coaching staff is all about leadership. It seems unlikely that they'd go into the season with just a couple of starts in the entire QB room. Although I'm very happy to ditch Noodle Arm Nate for a vet to make this pan out

[BADOLBILZ]

2 minutes ago, Seanbillsfan2206 said:

I like you, but you sir are crazy

 

For the record........those that know me well here know I'd have picked a QB in round 1 every year for the last decade...........and I would have done better in round 1 than any Bills GM.

 

When it comes to what's really important in round 1.........getting "organizational impact"........picking the best available QB at your slot in round 1 is still much better odds versus the long odds of getting that kind of impact at other positions.    

 

Even if you hit on that non-QB pick it can be over and done with in 4 years because of 5th year options.    

 

 

5 minutes ago, Blokestradamus said:

 

If the talent matches up within the class, I'm not opposed to doing what the Redskins did and double dipping into the class. Probably not in back-to-back picks in the 1st but this is a talent acquisition business. Giving yourself more chances at hitting on a vital cog can't be seen as a bad idea in principle.

 

I think the primary issue comes with Peterman. I can't see the team cutting bait in one year with him and the coaching staff is all about leadership. It seems unlikely that they'd go into the season with just a couple of starts in the entire QB room. Although I'm very happy to ditch Noodle Arm Nate for a vet to make this pan out

 

 

Oh Nate ain't in my plans.

 

I think by the time he gets waived between mini-camps it won't be seen as particularly significant news.

 

I am working under the idea that Taylor or Bradford were the bridge QB.

[Seanbillsfan2206]

1 minute ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

For the record........those that know me well here know I'd have picked a QB in round 1 every year for the last decade...........and I would have done better in round 1 than any Bills GM.

 

When it comes to what's really important in round 1.........getting "organizational impact"........picking the best available QB at your slot in round 1 is still much better odds versus the long odds of getting that kind of impact at other positions.    

 

Even if you hit on that non-QB pick it can be over and done with in 4 years because of 5th year options.    

 

 

Picking 2 QBs back to back in round 1, assuming we don’t have a starter in place, immediately creates a QB controversy. I just don’t see how that works out in our favor

[Blokestradamus]

5 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

Oh Nate ain't in my plans.

 

I think by the time he gets waived between mini-camps it won't be seen as particularly significant news.

 

I am working under the idea that Taylor or Bradford were the bridge QB.

 

Get me professional Dolph Lundgren lookalike Josh McCown and you've got a deal, pal.

[BADOLBILZ]

15 minutes ago, Seanbillsfan2206 said:

Picking 2 QBs back to back in round 1, assuming we don’t have a starter in place, immediately creates a QB controversy. I just don’t see how that works out in our favor

 

IMO controversies start with underdogs..........not two guys on even playing fields.........that's competition........and it's rare to not have one favorite in a QB battle........but the great thing about the picks being back to back you can say that one wasn't really chosen over the other.    Say "we flipped a coin".     

[Teddy KGB]

1 hour ago, BADOLBILZ said:

Same in business too.

 

High level business ? 

 

Trade up and get a real qb instead of the next Ryan Mallett and Antwaan Randle El.