Kirby Jackson Posted February 14, 2018 Posted February 14, 2018 Is Nick Foles good? I keep going back and forth with it. He has a phenomenal year, one of the great playoff runs ever and has largely sucked other than that. So who is he? It’s a little “Flacco-ish” to me. After his Super Bowl win people were all about Flacco. Now he’s a below-average QB with a crippling contract. Is Foles the guy that he’s normally been or is he the guy that we are watching now? I know this, I would rather pass on paying him $100M to find out. Go get a young guy instead.
Andrew Son Posted February 14, 2018 Posted February 14, 2018 This sounds like something Buffalo Barbarian would dream up.
26CornerBlitz Posted February 14, 2018 Posted February 14, 2018 2 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: Is Nick Foles good? I keep going back and forth with it. He has a phenomenal year, one of the great playoff runs ever and has largely sucked other than that. So who is he? It’s a little “Flacco-ish” to me. After his Super Bowl win people were all about Flacco. Now he’s a below-average QB with a crippling contract. Is Foles the guy that he’s normally been or is he the guy that we are watching now? I know this, I would rather pass on paying him $100M to find out. Go get a young guy instead. This is the way to go IMO and it provides a cost control element that allows for building up the team in a five year window.
MAJBobby Posted February 14, 2018 Posted February 14, 2018 1 hour ago, Tipster19 said: While I learned to love Shady it stands to reason that he is our biggest bargaining chip. Before everybody starts puking our responses just stop and think, the guy is 30 year’s old and he’s not going to single handedly bring us to the Super Bowl. Successful franchises move on and retain value for their aging gridiron stars (New England, Philadelphia under Andy Reid regime, etc etc). Under this his philosophy and speaking of Philadelphia, I believe they are our best outlet to for a starting QB. This would not only allow us to solidify the QB position but also let us retain our best resources (early draft picks) to strengthen the rest of our roster. What I would like to see is for the Bills to trade McCoy and our 2019 6th rd draft pick for Foles, RB Corey Clement and their 2019 4th rd pick. This would enable the Bills to use their 2018 top draft picks on defense, possible C if still needed and I would also like to see them draft UGA RB Sony Michel with their 2nd rd pick. In FA I’d also like for the Bills acquire soon to be released RB DeMarco Murray to a team friendly contract. Why would Philly trade their current starting QB?
Jamie Muellers Ghost Posted February 14, 2018 Posted February 14, 2018 No thanks, but I do get a growing feeling that Shady might not be here next season.
Acantha Posted February 14, 2018 Posted February 14, 2018 6 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: Is Nick Foles good? I keep going back and forth with it. He has a phenomenal year, one of the great playoff runs ever and has largely sucked other than that. So who is he? It’s a little “Flacco-ish” to me. After his Super Bowl win people were all about Flacco. Now he’s a below-average QB with a crippling contract. Is Foles the guy that he’s normally been or is he the guy that we are watching now? I know this, I would rather pass on paying him $100M to find out. Go get a young guy instead. I've been pretty adamant about doing whatever it takes to get one of the top rookies, and it's still my preference by a long shot, but I wouldn't be too upset with Foles for a 2nd (and maybe a player). Foles is a gamble, but so are the young guys. At least he has shown he's not a complete bust. And Foles + the rest of those early picks is a pretty decent position to be in. 1
The_Dude Posted February 14, 2018 Posted February 14, 2018 I’d pull the trigger in a heartbeat on that deal. A 30 year old back for a super bowl mvp QB...YES. Some of you need to quit looking at Foles like chopped liver. Brady couldn’t muster more than 9 wins under Jeff Fisher. 1
BuffaloHokie13 Posted February 14, 2018 Posted February 14, 2018 14 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: Is Nick Foles good? I keep going back and forth with it. He has a phenomenal year, one of the great playoff runs ever and has largely sucked other than that. So who is he? It’s a little “Flacco-ish” to me. After his Super Bowl win people were all about Flacco. Now he’s a below-average QB with a crippling contract. Is Foles the guy that he’s normally been or is he the guy that we are watching now? I know this, I would rather pass on paying him $100M to find out. Go get a young guy instead. Foles is what can happen when you design an offense to your QB's strengths and put good weapons around him and a good OL in front of him. 2
Kirby Jackson Posted February 14, 2018 Posted February 14, 2018 4 minutes ago, Acantha said: I've been pretty adamant about doing whatever it takes to get one of the top rookies, and it's still my preference by a long shot, but I wouldn't be too upset with Foles for a 2nd (and maybe a player). Foles is a gamble, but so are the young guys. At least he has shown he's not a complete bust. And Foles + the rest of those early picks is a pretty decent position to be in. I wouldn’t mind Foles for a 2nd (at all). My issue is that Foles is either getting $100M plus or he failed. The only way that it works is if he is the guy that we saw in the playoffs, an elite NFL QB. You can’t guarantee $50M+ to decent QBs. It kills you. You’d have a year to see if he is elite. If he is solid you are in QB purgatory with an elite QB price tag. I’m passing. Just now, BuffaloHokie13 said: Foles is what can happen when you design an offense to your QB's strengths and put good weapons around him and a good OL in front of him. No doubt (and he has played with the best offensive coaches in the league). They run a zillion RPOs.
Wsam4031 Posted February 14, 2018 Posted February 14, 2018 3 minutes ago, The_Dude said: I’d pull the trigger in a heartbeat on that deal. A 30 year old back for a super bowl mvp QB...YES. Some of you need to quit looking at Foles like chopped liver. Brady couldn’t muster more than 9 wins under Jeff Fisher. He could also muster 0 starts under andy Reid with a very average Alex SMith in front of him. Smith until this year was a very average qb
Fadingpain Posted February 14, 2018 Posted February 14, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, ColoradoBills said: I'm for this. Shady and Blount is a great 1-2 punch. Yeah build a ground game in the greatest passing era the game has ever seen! Superbowl LII just had 1,151 combined total yards of offense, and you want to pound the rock. That's the Bills way! Always bringing a really big, sharp knife to a gun fight! Edited February 14, 2018 by Fadingpain
Alphadawg7 Posted February 14, 2018 Posted February 14, 2018 1 hour ago, Tipster19 said: While I learned to love Shady it stands to reason that he is our biggest bargaining chip. Before everybody starts puking our responses just stop and think, the guy is 30 year’s old and he’s not going to single handedly bring us to the Super Bowl. Successful franchises move on and retain value for their aging gridiron stars (New England, Philadelphia under Andy Reid regime, etc etc). Under this his philosophy and speaking of Philadelphia, I believe they are our best outlet to for a starting QB. This would not only allow us to solidify the QB position but also let us retain our best resources (early draft picks) to strengthen the rest of our roster. What I would like to see is for the Bills to trade McCoy and our 2019 6th rd draft pick for Foles, RB Corey Clement and their 2019 4th rd pick. This would enable the Bills to use their 2018 top draft picks on defense, possible C if still needed and I would also like to see them draft UGA RB Sony Michel with their 2nd rd pick. In FA I’d also like for the Bills acquire soon to be released RB DeMarco Murray to a team friendly contract. I dont understand why the Eagles would want or need McCoy. They are strong at RB and just brought in their main guy of Ajayi. The interest in McCoy was prior to that trade. Foles has substantially more value to the Eagles than McCoy would because Wentz is no lock to be ready by beginning of season, not to mention if he hits any setbacks along the way. They ave RB's, but no one to play QB if Wentz isnt ready or suffers set backs.
Ga boy Posted February 14, 2018 Posted February 14, 2018 I agree that Philly is not interested in McCoy, but I do agree with the reasoning that he should be part of a trade to get a QB in the draft. McCoy will not be around in 2-3 anyway when we have a team ready to win big.
Acantha Posted February 14, 2018 Posted February 14, 2018 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: I wouldn’t mind Foles for a 2nd (at all). My issue is that Foles is either getting $100M plus or he failed. The only way that it works is if he is the guy that we saw in the playoffs, an elite NFL QB. You can’t guarantee $50M+ to decent QBs. It kills you. You’d have a year to see if he is elite. If he is solid you are in QB purgatory with an elite QB price tag. I’m passing. You don't think they could structure a contract to give themselves a little protection? Give him a nice raise in year 1, with one of these big contracts with all the guarantees kicking in at year 2, with an escape clause built in after the 1st year? Would be the same as him hitting FA next season, except he gets a raise in the meantime. I agree, doing what Washington did wouldn't be a great idea with Foles given the risk. Edited February 14, 2018 by Acantha
BuffaloBillyG Posted February 14, 2018 Posted February 14, 2018 1 hour ago, Tipster19 said: While I learned to love Shady it stands to reason that he is our biggest bargaining chip. Before everybody starts puking our responses just stop and think, the guy is 30 year’s old and he’s not going to single handedly bring us to the Super Bowl. Successful franchises move on and retain value for their aging gridiron stars (New England, Philadelphia under Andy Reid regime, etc etc). Under this his philosophy and speaking of Philadelphia, I believe they are our best outlet to for a starting QB. This would not only allow us to solidify the QB position but also let us retain our best resources (early draft picks) to strengthen the rest of our roster. What I would like to see is for the Bills to trade McCoy and our 2019 6th rd draft pick for Foles, RB Corey Clement and their 2019 4th rd pick. This would enable the Bills to use their 2018 top draft picks on defense, possible C if still needed and I would also like to see them draft UGA RB Sony Michel with their 2nd rd pick. In FA I’d also like for the Bills acquire soon to be released RB DeMarco Murray to a team friendly contract. Literally every single part of this is a no for me. Even where players I like are involved, you want to bring in Clement and spend a 2ns on Michel...to play being a 30 year old plodder in decline.
K D Posted February 14, 2018 Posted February 14, 2018 Foles isn't going anywhere unless someone gives up a 1st round pick and then some. Wentz tore his ACL and lcl, there's no guarantee he will be ready for week 1. I think it would take both of our 1sts to pry him loose. No thanks
The_Dude Posted February 14, 2018 Posted February 14, 2018 7 minutes ago, Wsam4031 said: He could also muster 0 starts under andy Reid with a very average Alex SMith in front of him. Smith until this year was a very average qb That literally means NOTHING to me.
ColoradoBills Posted February 14, 2018 Posted February 14, 2018 5 minutes ago, Fadingpain said: Yeah build a ground game in the greatest passing era the game has ever seen! Superbowl LII just had 1,151 combined total yards of offense, and you want to pound the rock. That's the Bills way! Always bringing a really big, sharp knife to a gun fight! First, there is no way Philly would trade Foles for Shady. Second, I never said anything about the Bills being a run only offense. My comment was having Shady as our prime running back with a change of pace guy like Blount would be OK with me. He can be signed for a one year contract for 1.5 million, I think it's a lot better than Tolbert.
26CornerBlitz Posted February 14, 2018 Posted February 14, 2018 18 hours ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Peter KIng weighs in on the availability of Foles: 9. I don’t think Philly trades quarterback Nick Foles, unless some team makes an offer that start with two first-round picks. Even then, I’m skeptical they’d pull the trigger. This is why they got Foles in the first place—because GM Howie Roseman and Pederson think the backup quarterback is one of the 10 or 12 most important players on the team. 6 hours ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Nick Foles doesn’t sound like he’ll push for a chance to compete for the Eagles’ starting job, push to get traded, or push for much of anything in 2018. Instead, the reigning Super Bowl Most Valuable Player says he’ll let everything sort itself out and he’ll be content with whatever happens. Don't be so sure that Foles will be available.
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