Eric Galko of Optimum Scouting: Bills love Rosen (updated with new info)

[DCOrange]

4 hours ago, MAJBobby said:

 

Blah un-named executive with likely an agenda (drive player to his team).  Never take ANY Stock in ANY of these comments around this time a year.

I agree with that for the most part, but this same thing has been reported by much more than just one source at this point.

[freester]

14 minutes ago, MDFan said:

I would pay this. 

3 firsts Glenn and a 3rd round pick is a lot. Next year our record could be quite poor with a rookie qb starting and so the 2019 pick would be very high. I think a 2018 second is more reasonable 

[BobbyC81]

2 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

 

Were  his passes less catchable than the others?  Elway threw hard no matter the distance which made catching his balls difficult.  I worked with a guy who played as a WR with him at Stanford.  This guy said by the end of the season his fingers were so messed up he was catching the ball with his palms and his body.

[mikemac2001]

If they make the move I'm cool with it 

 

you have to take your shot sometimes 

 

if it fails at least they went for it sick of waiting and getting the left overs

[BigBuff423]

11 hours ago, FeelingOnYouboty said:

 

I don't begrudge him for having talent around him but more than any other QB in this class he was helped out by those around him. Put Rosen in that system and there's no doubt he's QB1.

 

My personal rankings are as follows

 

1. Baker Mayfield

2. Josh Rosen

3. Lamar Jackson

4. Sam Darnold

5. Kyle Lauletta

 

I actually think all 5 turn out to be good QB's at the next level...

 

In reference to your other point about Rudolph being a “one read guy”, you’re somewhat right but entirely wrong about his Senior year. Don’t take my word for it, go listen to Traspasso on WGR this morning and he’ll say it himself. In Rudy’s Sophmore and Junior years, that is an accurate statement - but in his Senior year, game after game he is making across the field reads and holding the ball and staying in the pocket, throughout every game - and guess what? His numbers improved to almost 5,000 yards, 37 TDs and a rating around 170 while completing 65% of his passes. And....he’s getting better.

[MAJBobby]

2 hours ago, DCOrange said:

I agree with that for the most part, but this same thing has been reported by much more than just one source at this point.

 

And if they are un-named scouts or NFL execs I really dont care and dont trust the comments this time of year. 

[Nihilarian]

14 hours ago, FeelingOnYouboty said:

 

You'd rather make an average QB the highest paid player in league history than draft a rookie QB who will be cheap and is already better than Cousins. This is not how you build a team.

 

You call a QB that has had eight 4th quarter comebacks to win games since 2015 (Tyrod Taylor has had three from (2011-2017) Plus he has had twelve game-winning drives (Tyrod has had 5 since 2011) average? Allow me to enlighten...

 

"Since becoming Washington’s starting quarterback in 2015, Cousins has completed 1,034 of 1,525 attempts (67.8 percent) for 12,121 yards, 73 touchdowns, and 29 interceptions. His passer rating of 99.7 over that span ranks fifth among 22 quarterbacks with at least 1,000 pass attempts. Only two future Hall of Famers, Tom Brady and Drew Brees, and the 2016 MVP, Matt Ryan, have a higher total passer rating since 2015." 

 

To those who say Cousins wouldn't be a good fit behind the Bills offensive line...

 

"The offensive line, held together with duct tape and glue, ranks 29th this season for pass-blocking ability, per Pro Football Focus, and has seen Cousins pressured on 36.6 percent of his drop-backs in 2017, the highest rate during his three-year run. Yet his passer rating under pressure this season is 81.6, a career high and the sixth-highest in 2017."

 

"The high-level performance for Cousins isn’t the result of conservative passes, either. His 42.5 percent completion rate on deep throws, those traveling 20 or more yards in the air, ranks fifth among 27 quarterbacks attempting at least 100 deep throws over the past three years. His passer rating (109.0) on these attempts is second only to Matthew Stafford of the Detroit Lions." 

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fancy-stats/wp/2017/11/28/kirk-cousins-has-a-case-to-be-the-highest-paid-quarterback-in-the-nfl/?utm_term=.ef38db47677b

 

Don't compare a college player who hasn't yet proven a thing in the NFL to a QB who might look average because he has been on a bad team with a crappy run game (24th in rushing attempts, 27th in rushing yards), a crappy defense (27th in points allowed, 24th in yards allowed) Cousins has been carrying that team, coaching staff.

 

 

[Nihilarian]

49 minutes ago, LittleJoeCartwright said:

 

Were  his passes less catchable than the others?  Elway threw hard no matter the distance which made catching his balls difficult.  I worked with a guy who played as a WR with him at Stanford.  This guy said by the end of the season his fingers were so messed up he was catching the ball with his palms and his body.

It was noted by reporters who would interview the Denver receivers after games as to why they had little X's all over their chests? They stated it was because Elway's arm is so strong and he throws such a fastball. 

 

On a side note, the NY Yankees selected Elway in the second round of 1981 MLB draft and HoFer Tony Gwynn was taken six picks later. George Steinbrenner stated that he thought Elway could be another Mickey Mantle. They gave Elway a $140k bonus which was more than they gave their first-round pick.  

 

 

Shifting gears again here. I think all this talk of Rosen is just smoke as I just don't see this GM/McD moving up to the #2 spot and giving up perhaps three firsts and/or Glenn for an unknown at QB when the team has so many holes on the current roster to fill. It simply doesn't fit their respective DNA when Beane stated he will build through the draft. Giving up all those picks for a QB who may or may not become a solid starter could be a regime killer. Think Ryan Leaf, RG3, JaMarcus Russell, Vince Young, David Carr, Jake Locker et al.

[Paulus]

I hear the Bills love every player in the draft...

 

Called the Gruden smakscreen. 

On 2/14/2018 at 6:13 AM, LABILLBACKER said:

yeah, Jay Cutler...but more fragile

It's funny to hear all the folks from LA who think Rosen sucks. I never thought he was as bad as some UCLA fans do. 

[BobbyC81]

36 minutes ago, Nihilarian said:

It was noted by reporters who would interview the Denver receivers after games as to why they had little X's all over their chests? They stated it was because Elway's arm is so strong and he throws such a fastball. 

 

On a side note, the NY Yankees selected Elway in the second round of 1981 MLB draft and HoFer Tony Gwynn was taken six picks later. George Steinbrenner stated that he thought Elway could be another Mickey Mantle. They gave Elway a $140k bonus which was more than they gave their first-round pick.  

 

 

Shifting gears again here. I think all this talk of Rosen is just smoke as I just don't see this GM/McD moving up to the #2 spot and giving up perhaps three firsts and/or Glenn for an unknown at QB when the team has so many holes on the current roster to fill. It simply doesn't fit their respective DNA when Beane stated he will build through the draft. Giving up all those picks for a QB who may or may not become a solid starter could be a regime killer. Think Ryan Leaf, RG3, JaMarcus Russell, Vince Young, David Carr, Jake Locker et al.

 

You're right. This will be an unusual offseason where you have several veteran QBs available in free agency and trade plus a possibly strong QB draft class.  I'd be all in on trading up for one of the college guys if there was a "once in a decade" prospect and there weren't all of these other options.  I think the Bills should and will pursue NFL vets strongly and not just wait for the draft.

 

For whatever reasons they didn't stay put in the 2017 draft 1st round and take a Mahomes or Watson when they had the opportunity but that's in the past.  Unfortunately I also keep thinking back to those comments by Mike Florio about scouts he'd talked to thinking that the 2017 QB draft class was better than the 2018 class.

[FeelingOnYouboty]

9 hours ago, BigBuff423 said:

 

In reference to your other point about Rudolph being a “one read guy”, you’re somewhat right but entirely wrong about his Senior year. Don’t take my word for it, go listen to Traspasso on WGR this morning and he’ll say it himself. In Rudy’s Sophmore and Junior years, that is an accurate statement - but in his Senior year, game after game he is making across the field reads and holding the ball and staying in the pocket, throughout every game - and guess what? His numbers improved to almost 5,000 yards, 37 TDs and a rating around 170 while completing 65% of his passes. And....he’s getting better.

 

Me and Traspasso have been arguing about Mason Rudolph all yer on Twitter. He really likes him. I'm not so hot on him. He's going to be an above average starter if surrounded with good talent but I want more.

8 hours ago, Nihilarian said:

You call a QB that has had eight 4th quarter comebacks to win games since 2015 (Tyrod Taylor has had three from (2011-2017) Plus he has had twelve game-winning drives (Tyrod has had 5 since 2011) average? Allow me to enlighten...

 

"Since becoming Washington’s starting quarterback in 2015, Cousins has completed 1,034 of 1,525 attempts (67.8 percent) for 12,121 yards, 73 touchdowns, and 29 interceptions. His passer rating of 99.7 over that span ranks fifth among 22 quarterbacks with at least 1,000 pass attempts. Only two future Hall of Famers, Tom Brady and Drew Brees, and the 2016 MVP, Matt Ryan, have a higher total passer rating since 2015." 

 

To those who say Cousins wouldn't be a good fit behind the Bills offensive line...

 

"The offensive line, held together with duct tape and glue, ranks 29th this season for pass-blocking ability, per Pro Football Focus, and has seen Cousins pressured on 36.6 percent of his drop-backs in 2017, the highest rate during his three-year run. Yet his passer rating under pressure this season is 81.6, a career high and the sixth-highest in 2017."

 

"The high-level performance for Cousins isn’t the result of conservative passes, either. His 42.5 percent completion rate on deep throws, those traveling 20 or more yards in the air, ranks fifth among 27 quarterbacks attempting at least 100 deep throws over the past three years. His passer rating (109.0) on these attempts is second only to Matthew Stafford of the Detroit Lions." 

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fancy-stats/wp/2017/11/28/kirk-cousins-has-a-case-to-be-the-highest-paid-quarterback-in-the-nfl/?utm_term=.ef38db47677b

 

Don't compare a college player who hasn't yet proven a thing in the NFL to a QB who might look average because he has been on a bad team with a crappy run game (24th in rushing attempts, 27th in rushing yards), a crappy defense (27th in points allowed, 24th in yards allowed) Cousins has been carrying that team, coaching staff.

 

 

He is an above average QB. I don't want to make him the highest paid player in the NFL and cripple our flexibility.

 

9 hours ago, LittleJoeCartwright said:

 

Were  his passes less catchable than the others?  Elway threw hard no matter the distance which made catching his balls difficult.  I worked with a guy who played as a WR with him at Stanford.  This guy said by the end of the season his fingers were so messed up he was catching the ball with his palms and his body.

 

You would think UCLA would put some talent around him. He really didn't have much. Caleb Wilson might turn out to be decent but other than Lamar Jackson no other top QB in this Draft was hurt more than his teammates. 

You see that with some of his interceptions too trying to force things while trailing all game. 

[Coach Tuesday]

23 hours ago, BringMetheHeadofLeonLett said:

Sid Luckman

 

Jay Fiedler.

 

Your point?

[BuffaloHokie13]

9 hours ago, Nihilarian said:

You call a QB that has had eight 4th quarter comebacks to win games since 2015 (Tyrod Taylor has had three from (2011-2017) Plus he has had twelve game-winning drives (Tyrod has had 5 since 2011) average? Allow me to enlighten...

 

"Since becoming Washington’s starting quarterback in 2015, Cousins has completed 1,034 of 1,525 attempts (67.8 percent) for 12,121 yards, 73 touchdowns, and 29 interceptions. His passer rating of 99.7 over that span ranks fifth among 22 quarterbacks with at least 1,000 pass attempts. Only two future Hall of Famers, Tom Brady and Drew Brees, and the 2016 MVP, Matt Ryan, have a higher total passer rating since 2015." 

Hmm, most of these numbers are slightly off for what it's worth. Was the article you're quoting from mid season? Kirk has 7 4th Quarter Comebacks and 11 Game Winning Drives since 2015. He had 1 of each in 2012, which you are including for some reason.

 

His totals since 2015 are 1132 of 1689 (67%) 13,176 yards (4th), 81 TDs (8th), and 36 INTs. His passer rating is 97.5 (6th). Also, not noted, Cousins has 13 Rushing TDs since 2015, so his total TDs is 94 (T-4th).

[Nihilarian]

1 hour ago, BuffaloHokie13 said:

Hmm, most of these numbers are slightly off for what it's worth. Was the article you're quoting from mid season? Kirk has 7 4th Quarter Comebacks and 11 Game Winning Drives since 2015. He had 1 of each in 2012, which you are including for some reason.

 

His totals since 2015 are 1132 of 1689 (67%) 13,176 yards (4th), 81 TDs (8th), and 36 INTs. His passer rating is 97.5 (6th). Also, not noted, Cousins has 13 Rushing TDs since 2015, so his total TDs is 94 (T-4th).

 

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/gwd_career.htm

 

If you look at the team the guy has been on the last three years with a bad offensive line, no real rushing attack you have to start to think the man is doing it mostly by himself!

 

Then,  you would think that since he lost his brilliant OC in Sean McVey (in which Cousins threw for almost five thousand yards in 2016) to the Rams that Cousins will now fall on his face with ex-backup QB/ QB coach in Matt Cavanaugh as his new first time OC. Instead, Captain Kirk throws for over four thousand yards, 27 TDs, 13 INTs. 

 

I'd say Kirk Cousins is in rare company as a top ten NFL QB (or better) and did so on a mostly bad team. Give the man a decent rushing attack, defense and you have a super bowl contender along with Buffalo finally being a solid contender for the AFC East!

 

Why not pay the guy 25 mill or more per as the Bills GM stated he would build through the draft and in signing him they could do just that with those two 1sts, two 2nds and that third. That's five probable starters from the draft this year! 

Edited February 16, 2018 by Nihilarian

[BuffaloHokie13]

2 minutes ago, Nihilarian said:

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/gwd_career.htm

 

If you look at the team the guy has been on the last three years with a bad offensive line, no real rushing attack you have to start to think the man is doing it mostly by himself!

 

Then,  you think would think that since he lost his brilliant OC in Sean McVey (in which Cousins threw for almost five thousand yards in 2016) to the Rams that Cousins will now fall on his face with ex-backup QB/ QB coach in Matt Cavanaugh as his new first time OC. Instead, Captain Kirk throws for over four thousand yards, 27 TDs, 13 INTs. 

 

I'd say Kirk Cousins is in rare company as a top ten NFL QB (or better) and did so on a mostly bad team. Give the man a decent rushing attack, defense and you have a super bowl contender along with being a solid contender for the AFC East!

 

Why not pay the guy 25 mill or more per as the Bills GM stated he would build through the draft and in signing him they could do just that with those two 1sts, two 2nds and that third. That's five probable starters this year! 

You linked me to his career GWD's. I literally told you that one was from 2012. You claimed they all came in 2015 or later. I'm not even arguing against Cousins, I just prefer that people are accurate with the stuff they post.

[Nihilarian]

6 minutes ago, BuffaloHokie13 said:

You linked me to his career GWD's. I literally told you that one was from 2012. You claimed they all came in 2015 or later. I'm not even arguing against Cousins, I just prefer that people are accurate with the stuff they post.

8 Fourth Quarter Comebacks, 12 Game-Winning Drives 

Rk	Year	G#	Date	Age	Tm		Opp	Result	Cmp	Att	Cmp%	Yds	TD	Int	Rate	Y/A	AY/A	Att	Yds	Y/A	TD	Notes
1	2012	13	2012-12-09	24-112	WAS		BAL	W 31-28	2	2	100.00	26	1	0	158.3	13.00	23.00	0	0		0	4QC / GWD
Rk	Year	G#	Date	Age	Tm		Opp	Result	Cmp	Att	Cmp%	Yds	TD	Int	Rate	Y/A	AY/A	Att	Yds	Y/A	TD	Notes
2	2015	4	2015-10-04	27-046	WAS		PHI	W 23-20	31	46	67.39	290	1	0	91.8	6.30	6.74	1	1	1.00	1	4QC / GWD
3	2015	7	2015-10-25	27-067	WAS		TAM	W 31-30	33	40	82.50	317	3	0	124.7	7.93	9.43	3	15	5.00	1	4QC / GWD
4	2015	13	2015-12-13	27-116	WAS	@	CHI	W 24-21	24	31	77.42	300	1	1	104.2	9.68	8.87	4	13	3.25	1	GWD
Rk	Year	G#	Date	Age	Tm		Opp	Result	Cmp	Att	Cmp%	Yds	TD	Int	Rate	Y/A	AY/A	Att	Yds	Y/A	TD	Notes
5	2016	3	2016-09-25	28-037	WAS	@	NYG	W 29-27	21	35	60.00	296	2	0	106.4	8.46	9.60	3	-5	-1.67	0	4QC / GWD
6	2016	4	2016-10-02	28-044	WAS		CLE	W 31-20	21	27	77.78	183	3	1	116.5	6.78	7.33	0	0		0	4QC / GWD
7	2016	8	2016-10-30	28-072	WAS	@	CIN	T 27-27	38	56	67.86	458	2	1	97.2	8.18	8.09	3	-1	-0.33	0	4QC
8	2016	9	2016-11-13	28-086	WAS		MIN	W 26-20	22	33	66.67	262	2	0	110.9	7.94	9.15	1	-1	-1.00	0	GWD
9	2016	13	2016-12-11	28-114	WAS	@	PHI	W 27-22	14	21	66.67	234	2	1	116.0	11.14	10.90	4	6	1.50	0	4QC / GWD
Rk	Year	G#	Date	Age	Tm		Opp	Result	Cmp	Att	Cmp%	Yds	TD	Int	Rate	Y/A	AY/A	Att	Yds	Y/A	TD	Notes
10	2017	2	2017-09-17	29-029	WAS	@	LAR	W 27-20	18	27	66.67	179	1	0	97.6	6.63	7.37	3	7	2.33	0	GWD
11	2017	5	2017-10-15	29-057	WAS		SFO	W 26-24	25	37	67.57	330	2	1	102.3	8.92	8.78	4	26	6.50	1	GWD
12	2017	8	2017-11-05	29-078	WAS	@	SEA	W 17-14	21	31	67.74	247	0	0	91.7	7.97	7.97	3	4	1.33	0	4QC / GWD
13	2017	11	2017-11-23	29-096	WAS		NYG	W 20-10	19	31	61.29	242	2	1	93.8	7.81	7.65

 

 

All but one came from 2015-2017. Excuse me for making a mistake! I should have simply said in his career like I did with Tyrod. 

Edited February 16, 2018 by Nihilarian

[BuffaloHokie13]

Just now, Nihilarian said:

8 Fourth Quarter Comebacks, 12 Game-Winning Drives 

 

Rk	Year	G#	Date	Age	Tm		Opp	Result	Cmp	Att	Cmp%	Yds	TD	Int	Rate	Y/A	AY/A	Att	Yds	Y/A	TD	Notes
1	2012	13	2012-12-09	24-112	WAS		BAL	W 31-28	2	2	100.00	26	1	0	158.3	13.00	23.00	0	0		0	4QC / GWD
Rk	Year	G#	Date	Age	Tm		Opp	Result	Cmp	Att	Cmp%	Yds	TD	Int	Rate	Y/A	AY/A	Att	Yds	Y/A	TD	Notes
2	2015	4	2015-10-04	27-046	WAS		PHI	W 23-20	31	46	67.39	290	1	0	91.8	6.30	6.74	1	1	1.00	1	4QC / GWD
3	2015	7	2015-10-25	27-067	WAS		TAM	W 31-30	33	40	82.50	317	3	0	124.7	7.93	9.43	3	15	5.00	1	4QC / GWD
4	2015	13	2015-12-13	27-116	WAS	@	CHI	W 24-21	24	31	77.42	300	1	1	104.2	9.68	8.87	4	13	3.25	1	GWD
Rk	Year	G#	Date	Age	Tm		Opp	Result	Cmp	Att	Cmp%	Yds	TD	Int	Rate	Y/A	AY/A	Att	Yds	Y/A	TD	Notes
5	2016	3	2016-09-25	28-037	WAS	@	NYG	W 29-27	21	35	60.00	296	2	0	106.4	8.46	9.60	3	-5	-1.67	0	4QC / GWD
6	2016	4	2016-10-02	28-044	WAS		CLE	W 31-20	21	27	77.78	183	3	1	116.5	6.78	7.33	0	0		0	4QC / GWD
7	2016	8	2016-10-30	28-072	WAS	@	CIN	T 27-27	38	56	67.86	458	2	1	97.2	8.18	8.09	3	-1	-0.33	0	4QC
8	2016	9	2016-11-13	28-086	WAS		MIN	W 26-20	22	33	66.67	262	2	0	110.9	7.94	9.15	1	-1	-1.00	0	GWD
9	2016	13	2016-12-11	28-114	WAS	@	PHI	W 27-22	14	21	66.67	234	2	1	116.0	11.14	10.90	4	6	1.50	0	4QC / GWD
Rk	Year	G#	Date	Age	Tm		Opp	Result	Cmp	Att	Cmp%	Yds	TD	Int	Rate	Y/A	AY/A	Att	Yds	Y/A	TD	Notes
10	2017	2	2017-09-17	29-029	WAS	@	LAR	W 27-20	18	27	66.67	179	1	0	97.6	6.63	7.37	3	7	2.33	0	GWD
11	2017	5	2017-10-15	29-057	WAS		SFO	W 26-24	25	37	67.57	330	2	1	102.3	8.92	8.78	4	26	6.50	1	GWD
12	2017	8	2017-11-05	29-078	WAS	@	SEA	W 17-14	21	31	67.74	247	0	0	91.7	7.97	7.97	3	4	1.33	0	4QC / GWD
13	2017	11	2017-11-23	29-096	WAS		NYG	W 20-10	19	31	61.29	242	2	1	93.8	7.81	7.65

Seriously. Look at the very first line of that chart.

[Nihilarian]

1 minute ago, BuffaloHokie13 said:

Seriously. Look at the very first line of that chart.

I edited. You can now go back to being part of the anal stat police

[BuffaloHokie13]

5 minutes ago, Nihilarian said:

I edited. You can now go back to being part of the anal stat police

Sorry you were offended, but it kind of stands out when the first 1/3 of your post contained lots of numbers and none of them were accurate today.

[Nihilarian]

1 minute ago, BuffaloHokie13 said:

Sorry you were offended, but it kind of stands out when the first 1/3 of your post contained lots of numbers and none of them were accurate today.

I'm not offended at all, so no apology needed. I was thinking of a different article I had read from about his stats from 2015-2017 and should have simply stated career.

The rest was quoted from an article I didn't write. 

 

When attempting to make that post with all the drives this morning for some reason it wouldn't let me add that last line so I edited right away. Which, apparently wasn't fast enough.