BuffaloRebound Posted February 15, 2018 Posted February 15, 2018 I love Eli and can see the comparisons to Rosen, but think Rosen has the potential to be a more dominant QB than Eli. Rosen is a better passer than Eli.
D. L. Hot-Flamethrower Posted February 15, 2018 Posted February 15, 2018 2 minutes ago, thebandit27 said: It's tough to sort through the trash. When it comes to Rosen, there's so much to like. At the same time, he's got enough of a future in sports, politics, social activism, and other areas that it's appropriate to wonder whether or not football will come first to him. What is he required to do so that you deem him as loving football?
FeelingOnYouboty Posted February 15, 2018 Posted February 15, 2018 Josh Rosen's ceiling is Matt Ryan and his floor is Eli Manning/Jameis Winston. He will be a perennial Top 10 QB in this league.
Putin Posted February 15, 2018 Posted February 15, 2018 IMO I don't believe will give up so much asset when we have so many wholes to fill particularly on defense, I also have a feeling McD is not giving up on Peterman just yet , at the same time i wouldn't have any problem moving all the way up to even 2nd if they truly feel this is the guy
billsredneck1 Posted February 15, 2018 Posted February 15, 2018 29 minutes ago, section122 said: I finally figured out how to articulate my thoughts on the GIants trading. It does make sense for the Giants to draft a QB this year, however, it also makes sense that they grab a developmental guy instead of a top choice. If they can get an Allen, Jackson, or Rudolph they can all sit for 2+ years and mature while Eli finishes up his career. Taking a Darnold, Mayfield, or Rosen would make it difficult to have them sit even a full year. Giants fans would scream loudly the first time Eli has one of his terrible games. If they traded down to 21 and 22 and got say a Glenn (who I don't want to see traded), they would fix LT, get a developmental QB, and possibly a rb or another o-lineman. They could still have their QB of the future and get their team help now instead of the either or they are facing sitting at 2. that trade would make sense and not give up too much. however , assuming darnold goes one, i'd still take mayfield over rosen. i just don't feel rosen is going to live up to the hype....or last long before injury...or is the kind of guy that can overcome adversity or criticism. i think baker is a buffalo guy. 1
FearLess Price Posted February 15, 2018 Posted February 15, 2018 11 minutes ago, Putin said: Hey guys I didn't go through all 16 pages so maybe it's been talked about but (IMO) it's nothing more then a smokescreen, why would we let the whole world know how much we really like him ? Or maybe it's a double reverse? Who knows! Sometimes things leak, sometimes theyre smoke screens. From now till the draft everything has to be taken with a grain of salt becuae like you said.... Smoke screen.....misdirection.....conspiracies...mk ultra super mind reading frogs...etc... Beane did scout all QBs heavily this college season tho. We are def gonna draft one. Ill bet my pubes on it.
thebandit27 Posted February 15, 2018 Posted February 15, 2018 14 minutes ago, horned dogs said: What is he required to do so that you deem him as loving football? I'm not sure he'd be able to convince me to tell you the truth. I mean, if I'm an NFL GM, I'm working behind the scenes to talk to everyone I can that knows the kid. I'm wanting to find out how he talks when nobody's around. Does he talk about his career aspirations outside of football? Does he seem more excited about them than about going to the NFL? It's that type of stuff that teams are going to need to be comfortable with IMO. And by the way, I don't say that to knock the kid's character; my point is, rather, that trading up for the kid is a big investment, and I want to know he's in it for the long haul.
billsredneck1 Posted February 15, 2018 Posted February 15, 2018 10 minutes ago, Putin said: IMO I don't believe will give up so much asset when we have so many wholes to fill particularly on defense, I also have a feeling McD is not giving up on Peterman just yet , at the same time i wouldn't have any problem moving all the way up to even 2nd if they truly feel this is the guy i don't think he is either. i really think in his second year he can produce like geoff...for example. that's why i'm ok if they wait and take rudolph in the 1st. would be nice if it happened in the 2nd, but doubt he'll last that long. and...if they do take him, they can also target another project qb later such as a white, falk or ferguson. if they feel they can have success with a young stable of qbs, they can really make hay filling holes with the rest of the draft and fa.
Gordio Posted February 15, 2018 Posted February 15, 2018 (edited) 3 hours ago, FeelingOnYouboty said: I don't know how that guy said he doesn't have great numbers. He has incredible numbers for a couple years now. He does play in an inflated system and he was surrounded with two NFL WR's and a future 1st RD RB. Rudolph is a marginal talent. He's got great size, three years of starting experience and does some good things but he's a one read guy. He'll never be an elite QB. Do we really want to spend a high pick on that? You can't really hold it against him that he had very good talent around him. I will go on record as to say Rudolph has just as much chance of being a franchise QB than Darnold/Mayfield/Rosen. The good thing about MR is we won't have to mortgage the farm to get him either. He should be there when we are picking. I don't know, maybe I am wrong. I was very high on Matt Barkley a few years ago & he never panned out. I wouldn't touch Rosen with a 10ft pole. His injuries & attitude scare the hell out of me. If we trade up I really hope it is for Mayfield or Darnold. Edited February 15, 2018 by Gordio
D. L. Hot-Flamethrower Posted February 15, 2018 Posted February 15, 2018 12 minutes ago, thebandit27 said: I'm not sure he'd be able to convince me to tell you the truth. I mean, if I'm an NFL GM, I'm working behind the scenes to talk to everyone I can that knows the kid. I'm wanting to find out how he talks when nobody's around. Does he talk about his career aspirations outside of football? Does he seem more excited about them than about going to the NFL? It's that type of stuff that teams are going to need to be comfortable with IMO. And by the way, I don't say that to knock the kid's character; my point is, rather, that trading up for the kid is a big investment, and I want to know he's in it for the long haul. That's fair. I trust that McBeane will do their due diligence. Short of being a cross between Leaf/ Jeff George and Cutler I don't see a problem. If he just intelligent, has opinions and interests it should not be a problem IMO. My QB doesn't need to be a one-dimensional lug nut. He needs to put the work in and be dedicated, but I think people get carried away with football, football, football...if you know what I mean!
FeelingOnYouboty Posted February 15, 2018 Posted February 15, 2018 18 minutes ago, Gordio said: You can't really hold it against him that he had very good talent around him. I will go on record as to say Rudolph has just as much chance of being a franchise QB than Darnold/Mayfield/Rosen. The good thing about MR is we won't have to mortgage the farm to get him either. He should be there when we are picking. I don't know, maybe I am wrong. I was very high on Matt Barkley a few years ago & he never panned out. I wouldn't touch Rosen with a 10ft pole. His injuries & attitude scare the hell out of me. If we trade up I really hope it is for Mayfield or Darnold. I don't begrudge him for having talent around him but more than any other QB in this class he was helped out by those around him. Put Rosen in that system and there's no doubt he's QB1. My personal rankings are as follows 1. Baker Mayfield 2. Josh Rosen 3. Lamar Jackson 4. Sam Darnold 5. Kyle Lauletta I actually think all 5 turn out to be good QB's at the next level...
PIZ Posted February 15, 2018 Posted February 15, 2018 1 hour ago, section122 said: I finally figured out how to articulate my thoughts on the GIants trading. It does make sense for the Giants to draft a QB this year, however, it also makes sense that they grab a developmental guy instead of a top choice. If they can get an Allen, Jackson, or Rudolph they can all sit for 2+ years and mature while Eli finishes up his career. Taking a Darnold, Mayfield, or Rosen would make it difficult to have them sit even a full year. Giants fans would scream loudly the first time Eli has one of his terrible games. If they traded down to 21 and 22 and got say a Glenn (who I don't want to see traded), they would fix LT, get a developmental QB, and possibly a rb or another o-lineman. They could still have their QB of the future and get their team help now instead of the either or they are facing sitting at 2. That makes a ton of sense. Then Pat Shurmor and Gettleman don't get the NY media or fans on his ass about starting the #2 pick in the draft, who happens to be a QB, and who happens to be the heir apparent to a Manning. They can comfortably build their roster without having that worry, and can groom their rookie (drafted 21 or 22 or later or Davis) without feeling the pressure to start Rosen (or other). Yeah, I like your way of thinking. I just talked my way, with your help, into believing that this may happen. 39 minutes ago, billsredneck1 said: i don't think he is either. i really think in his second year he can produce like geoff...for example. that's why i'm ok if they wait and take rudolph in the 1st. would be nice if it happened in the 2nd, but doubt he'll last that long. and...if they do take him, they can also target another project qb later such as a white, falk or ferguson. if they feel they can have success with a young stable of qbs, they can really make hay filling holes with the rest of the draft and fa. I was a believer in Peterman too. Thought he was an awesome pick. I just don't think he showed anything at all in his brief appearances to make me believe he can carry this team. I think he could be a great #2, but I don't see starter in him anymore.
section122 Posted February 15, 2018 Posted February 15, 2018 58 minutes ago, billsredneck1 said: that trade would make sense and not give up too much. however , assuming darnold goes one, i'd still take mayfield over rosen. i just don't feel rosen is going to live up to the hype....or last long before injury...or is the kind of guy that can overcome adversity or criticism. i think baker is a buffalo guy. I like Mayfield the best myself but don't mind Rosen. My completely uneducated opinion has a top 3 of Mayfield, Rosen, Jackson. I don't care for Darnold and Allen screams bust to me. 9 minutes ago, PIZ said: That makes a ton of sense. Then Pat Shurmor and Gettleman don't get the NY media or fans on his ass about starting the #2 pick in the draft, who happens to be a QB, and who happens to be the heir apparent to a Manning. They can comfortably build their roster without having that worry, and can groom their rookie (drafted 21 or 22 or later or Davis) without feeling the pressure to start Rosen (or other). Yeah, I like your way of thinking. I just talked my way, with your help, into believing that this may happen. I was hoping it came through clear . It makes perfect sense and I think if it happens this would be the logic they use. I've thought since the end of the year that the Giants and Colts should be the target if they are set on moving up. If Rosen can be had at 2 the Giants make sense. If not I would still go to 3 for Mayfield as I think he doesn't make it out of the top 10 either.
Tatonka68 Posted February 15, 2018 Posted February 15, 2018 PER NFL.COM SOURCES TELL US "He wasn't the guy everyone rallied around in college and you don't have to dig around for too long to find people who said he was hard to coach. He's definitely talented. Nobody questions that. But he's going to have to get grown men to buy into him as their leader. That is not a given." -- NFL Executive
Dr. Who Posted February 15, 2018 Posted February 15, 2018 5 hours ago, kdiggz said: the alternative is paying someone like Cousins who is mediocre at best $30 mil per season. if you don't think Eli Manning in his prime is good enough for us then I don't know what to tell you. he won 2 super bowls and was the mvp. i'm not sure how you can expect to do better than that in the draft. nobody thought Brady was elite, he was a 6th rounder for a reason. nobody thought Rodgers was elite, he dropped all the way into the 20's. you pick someone you think you will succeed and sometimes you are pleasantly surprised when they surpass your expectations If Josh Rosen will be an elite qb, I certainly hope we go get him.
MAJBobby Posted February 15, 2018 Posted February 15, 2018 (edited) 4 hours ago, Tatonka68 said: PER NFL.COM SOURCES TELL US "He wasn't the guy everyone rallied around in college and you don't have to dig around for too long to find people who said he was hard to coach. He's definitely talented. Nobody questions that. But he's going to have to get grown men to buy into him as their leader. That is not a given." -- NFL Executive Blah un-named executive with likely an agenda (drive player to his team). Never take ANY Stock in ANY of these comments around this time a year. Edited February 15, 2018 by MAJBobby 1
Klaista2k Posted February 15, 2018 Posted February 15, 2018 Rosen scares me because of his durability issues. I'd rather have Darnold or Mayfield.
MAJBobby Posted February 15, 2018 Posted February 15, 2018 50 minutes ago, Dr. Who said: If Josh Rosen will be an elite qb, I certainly hope we go get him. Yep this. Make it happen.
FLFan Posted February 16, 2018 Posted February 16, 2018 On 2/14/2018 at 6:35 AM, BuffaloHokie13 said: If they want Glenn then just drop pick 96 from my original valuation. That trade would likely be 21, 22, 2019 1st, 2019 3rd, and Glenn. I would pay this.
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