Eric Galko of Optimum Scouting: Bills love Rosen (updated with new info)

[ndirish1978]

5 minutes ago, John from Hemet said:

Its QB

 

When you are trying to get a franchise guy this is the cost.   The cost is temporary and we will have cap room to fill holes.

 

I say do it if we can.

 

You're not going to be able to reason with people with this penny-pinching mentality. These are the guys who keep putting pennies in slot machines paying one line and hoping for a miracle. Those machines are amongst the biggest moneymakers in a casino. You get what you pay for. You want a top talent, don't spend 17 years drafting QBs in the 3-5th rds and hoping you were smarter than everyone else and found the next Brady - you take a top guy and take your shot. Still makes me sick that we spent TWO first rounders on a WR who we let walk in free agency and have never bothered to make a move for the most important position on the field. 

 

I like Rosen and Mayfield more than anyone else. I'd trade for them

 

Edited February 14, 2018 by ndirish1978

[Nineforty]

by the time we get to the draft the Bills will have been linked to each of the top quarterbacks (if they haven't already) in publications I'd consider trustworthy. 

 

is this just inevitable these days for all QB needy teams considering the amount of publications/journalists in the sport? is this the organization making sure no one can get a solid read on us?  muddy waters.

[FearLess Price]

4 hours ago, KelsaysLunchbox said:

There are more flags to me than the injuries. I'm sorry, but it really does take a certain mentality to play football in Buffalo NY. I'm not convinced he has it. His reputation as being selfish and entitled is a major red flag to play in this city. 

 

As Aaron Williams said in his retirement article...in Buffalo football is everything. Just a hunch, gut instinct or whatever but I'm not sold he would ever embrace playing in a blue collar city. 

 

 

I disagree heavily. The kid is passionate about the game. He wants to win. He is a dog. We need dogs here. Football players Win games, not boyscouts.

 

Selfish and entitled? Thats BS. You dont even know the kid. The only thing is his aggressive attitude is leading to a few immature crotch chops, so what? The kid is a winner that plays well in the clutch and is at the top of the list in all statistics compared to everyone else. Everyone does dumbsht in college. It is what it is. You bring him here and make sure he has a solid mentor to learn from, hell do good. He def needs that veteran mentor-ship to clean up the small stuff and stay on track.

 

[FeelingOnYouboty]

3 minutes ago, Patrick_Duffy said:

My thoughts as well. Looking at giving up a major amount of real estate to move up that far. But if they do, then so be it.

 

Depends on if they really want to stick with Eli Manning and if they like Davis Webb enough. Otherwise is there really a huge difference between Barkley and let's say Ronald Jones? They also fill a need with Cordy Glenn, can take another OL at 22 and a few other picks and suddenly they have a very balanced team on both sides of the ball. Last year was an aberration with them.

 

The Gettleman-Beane connection is real and Gettleman got his start in Buffalo. 

 

Best case scenario is 

 

Browns-Sam Darnold

Giants-Saquon Barkley

Colts-Bradley Chubb

Browns-Connor Williams

 

Broncos move out of 5 as they've signed Kirk Cousins and we get Rosen for considerably less cheaper. Colts and Browns are also potential trade partners at #3 and #4. 

[BuffaloBaumer]

No way the Giants are trading that unless they get Cousins 

[FeelingOnYouboty]

23 minutes ago, KelsaysLunchbox said:

Do we though? Or do we need a guy that fits into our cohesive locker room?

 

Odd that you would say we need brash and arrogant then compare him to Matt Ryan who is extremely humble. As is Aaron Rodgers. Drew Brees. Russell Wilson. Eli (and Peyton for that matter) both humble. Matter of fact aside from Brady, I can't honestly think of that "brash arrogant" QB in today's game. 

 

He is the best passer in the draft, I don't dispute that. And if he devoted himself to the game he could be phenomenal. He could also retire early to protect himself for life after football. To me it seems he would care about the "Rosen Brand" rather than the team. Can DEFINITELY see him making "business decisions" on the field. 

 

I have no problem giving up what it would take to get up to 2 or 3 and draft Darnold if the Browns pass. I have no issue moving up to take Mayfield. Rosen/Allen to me are too big of risks to invest that much in.

Those dudes all have football arrogance. Especially Aaron Rodgers and Peyton Manning and I don't see where you're getting 'Rosen Brand' stuff from. It seems more narrative than anything else. I trust Sean McDermott and Brandon Beane to make the right decision here.

[Fadingpain]

5 hours ago, Finkle Is Einhorn said:

At this point they should to give up whatever it takes if that means you have a chance at a franchise quarterback. It's the single most important position in all of sports.everythings a risk .  

This has been my approach from the get go.

 

First, identify your guy and make sure he is "the one."

 

Second, do what it takes to get him.

 

That's it!  Don't worry about lost draft picks or anything else.

 

 

[BuffaloBillyG]

5 minutes ago, FearLess Price said:

 

 

I disagree heavily. The kid is passionate about the game. He wants to win. He is a dog. We need dogs here. Football players Win games, not boyscouts.

 

Selfish and entitled? Thats BS. You dont even know the kid. The only thing is his aggressive attitude is leading to a few immature crotch chops, so what? The kid is a winner that plays well in the clutch and is at the top of the list in all statistics compared to everyone else. Everyone does dumbsht in college. It is what it is. You bring him here and make sure he has a solid mentor to learn from, hell do good. He def needs that veteran mentor-ship to clean up the small stuff and stay on track.

 

Well put. Just a few comments.

 

-The crotch grab was Baker Mayfield. We are discussing Rosen.

 

-You are correct in saying I don't know the kid. I'm actually citing literally every article written by those who do know him. This is still Rosen btw, not Mayfield. And by your own logic, if you don't know him it is tough for you to refute the articles.

 

-Again, how do you know he's passionate about football? Do you know him? Has he told you this? Again, I site the articles written. Still, talking Rosen here mate. Not Mayfield.

 

-Bringing a player in and giving him a "solid mentor" is ludicrous. A guy is who he is. I would call Kyle Williams a pretty solid mentor. Did that help Dareus at all? By the way...still not talking Mayfield here.

[FearLess Price]

3 minutes ago, KelsaysLunchbox said:

Well put. Just a few comments.

 

-The crotch grab was Baker Mayfield. We are discussing Rosen.

 

-You are correct in saying I don't know the kid. I'm actually citing literally every article written by those who do know him. This is still Rosen btw, not Mayfield. And by your own logic, if you don't know him it is tough for you to refute the articles.

 

-Again, how do you know he's passionate about football? Do you know him? Has he told you this? Again, I site the articles written. Still, talking Rosen here mate. Not Mayfield.

 

-Bringing a player in and giving him a "solid mentor" is ludicrous. A guy is who he is. I would call Kyle Williams a pretty solid mentor. Did that help Dareus at all? By the way...still not talking Mayfield here.

 

I was responding to the Mayfield 'character concerns. I didnt even know you were talking about Rosen. I understand what your saying.

 

Passion is evident in anyone when you see them do their job or art.

As for the bolded, ludicrous? Was it ludicrous when The Cowboys did that for Dez Bryant? It worked. Dez only has had a good career there.

Edit: again my bolded comment was about Mayfield, talkin Mayfield here mate!

 

 

Edited February 14, 2018 by FearLess Price

[D. L. Hot-Flamethrower]

I'm excited if this happens!!!

 

Visualizing Rosen hitting those intermediate passes that Tyrod misses, throwing open Benjamin to his back shoulder, and making the big plays at key times...which TT didn't do.

 

Heck he  probably even watched us play Jax and said I could have put up at least 17 in that game with Brian Daboll.

 

This is a great move if true. 

 

As for the so-called character questions, sounds like narrative to me, hot tubs..LMAO, McBeane will know way more than we do and whether he is Bo Callahan or not.

Edited February 14, 2018 by horned dogs

[BuffaloBillyG]

7 minutes ago, FearLess Price said:

 

I was responding to the Mayfield 'character concerns. I didnt even know you were talking about Rosen. I understand what your saying.

 

Passion is evident in anyone when you see them do their job or art.

As for the bolded, ludicrous? Was it ludicrous when The Cowboys did that for Dez Bryant? It worked. Dez only has had a good career there.

Edit: again my bolded comment was about Mayfield, talkin Mayfield here mate!

 

 

Has it worked for Dez? The dude that assaulted his own Mother? Who did they bring in to be his mentor? Sorry, I missed that...unless you mean Michael Irvin? 

[Logic]

23 minutes ago, BuffaloBaumer said:

No way the Giants are trading that unless they get Cousins 

I don't know why people keep saying this. The Giants are NOT guaranteed to draft a QB. Manning has said he wants to keep playing, and earlier in this thread, this Eric Galko person said he has heard that the Giants WILL likely trade down for more picks. This whole "the Giants are DEFINITELY taking a QB at 2" thing is mere conjecture.

[Augie]

5 hours ago, hemma said:

Two concussions last year and was in concussion protocol for about a month.

 

 Kolb had a few earlier concussions, then got kicked in the back of the head and it ended his career.

 

Rosen has a ton of talent, but ...

 

I admit I got so excited by the idea of having Rosen I kind of forgot about all that, and it does concern me. Just one more aspect for how bold this would be.  

 

I’m ready for the FO to go bold and take a shot for the right guy. Do some trading back for a couple seasons for more picks, and pray we have better scouts than everyone else.  Oh, and maybe get lucky too, we’re due for some of that! 

[Tatonka68]

Rosen interest is a ploy only. No way Bills ship two years worth of draft picks for a QB who is prone to concussions and is a self centered jerk. Bean and McDermott would be committing career suicide.

[OldTimer1960]

15 minutes ago, Tatonka68 said:

Rosen interest is a ploy only. No way Bills ship two years worth of draft picks for a QB who is prone to concussions and is a self centered jerk. Bean and McDermott would be committing career suicide.

I agree completely.

 

As much as we want the next HOF QB, I don’t think a huge trade up is worth the risk.  Rosen is uber-talented, has had head injuries and might not be completely dedicated to football, Darnold has a tremendous arm, but ha 20+ turnovers this year alone and I love Mayfield’s competitiveness and productivity, but he is for sure bucking the odds at his height.

 

IF they trade way up, I hope it is for Mayfield, but I think they sit tight, possibly trading up just a bit in hopes of getting one of the other QBs that they like.  Without a major trade up, it might be worth taking a chance on Allen, Jackson or Rudolph.

[Nihilarian]

5 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

That's one perspective. 

Another is that with Eli, if they properly rebuild the rest of the team around him, they can win right now and for several years, plus take a shot on drafting the next Garappolo (2nd or later round guy who will develop).

 

Taking two firsts and a second this year plus a pick next year would most definitely enable this strategy.

 

IMHO the demise of Eli Manning has been prematurely predicted. T he Giants games I watched, I saw catchable ball after ball not being hauled in by whoever the heck it was he was throwing to and sometimes deflected into the waiting arms of DBs. Give him an OL and another good WR besides OBJ and a defense, and watch him return from the dead.

 

It all depends upon whether the Giants new guys agree with the popular evaluation of Eli as "dead QB walking", or whether they think he's still got it.

2

 

I think that is exactly the reason they hired QB guru Pat Shurmur, to find out if Eli is done or not. 

 

Looking back at the start of the 2017 season when the roster wasn't decimated by injuries and he had ODB, Brandon Marshall, Sterling Shepard, Evan Engram all healthy receiving. The team still started out 0-5. Eli looked like he has lost a step. Granted at the end of the 2017 season the Giants had 31 players on IR. They sure didn't start out with that many injuries and they stunk it up just the same.

 

Like I said, I do think they are morons should they pass on on a QB with that #2 pick (Rosen) only to find they will need to replace Eli in three years or less. Then perhaps they will need to give up three first-round picks to get a QB who may or may not develop into a franchise QB. Kinda foolish when they are sitting in the catbird's seat this year. 

[jahnyc]

I want the Bills to use the picks that they have in the draft.  They need quality starters, and with four picks in the first two rounds, we have the potential to get some good, young players and fill needs.  Having said that, I do understand trading up for a QB that they believe will be a long-term answer to our long-standing QB need, particularly since we will have our QB cost controlled for at least a few years and we will have a huge amount of cap space in 2019 to add quality free agents and fill holes.

[Augie]

1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

 

Allen’s place on that list doesn’t surprise me at all. Rosen’s separation is certainly interesting.

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

2 hours ago, Loosh said:

Because it will take at least 3 first round picks and more....the Bills will not be stupid enough to do it.   The Bills desperately need help at OL, WR, DL, LB, and RB.  The roster will have a have a huge turnover.   There will be a QB available without selling the farm.....and Beane will take him at 21 or 22.

 

....good assessment and I agree..........just a hunch Beane picks Rudolph at 21/22..............plays his draft capital conservatively as well as FA dollars......don't see him doing major investment(s) in a single player.....

[MAJBobby]

32 minutes ago, Tatonka68 said:

Rosen interest is a ploy only. No way Bills ship two years worth of draft picks for a QB who is prone to concussions and is a self centered jerk. Bean and McDermott would be committing career suicide.

 

I will give you the concussion part of the argument. But not the personality attack sorry