26CornerBlitz Posted February 12, 2018 Posted February 12, 2018 There was talk that the Bills had interest in him last season. I wonder if there will be any interest at OBD with him eligible to sign with any team ahead of the new league year.
Buffalo716 Posted February 12, 2018 Posted February 12, 2018 I always liked Davis a bit but I am a huge proponent for young corners More tread left, faster. You can get them up to speed very fast in a primarily zone defense Productive , yet, cheaper defensive backs are the way to go IMO look at how we revamped our secondary in one year, with a bunch of cheaper role players who became key cogs or contributors 5
26CornerBlitz Posted February 12, 2018 Author Posted February 12, 2018 Just now, Buffalo716 said: I always liked Davis a bit but I am a huge proponent for young corners More tread left, faster. You can get them up to speed very fast in a primarily zone defense Productive , yet, cheaper defensive backs are the way to go IMO look at how we revamped our secondary in one year, with a bunch of cheaper role players who became key cogs or contributors They have to begin looking at replacements in the event that Gaines heads to UFA. David Amerson is also a UFA who can sign before the new league year begins. 1
Buffalo716 Posted February 12, 2018 Posted February 12, 2018 Just now, 26CornerBlitz said: They have to begin looking at replacements in the event that Gaines heads to UFA. David Amerson is also a UFA who can sign before the new league year begins. I would love love love Gaines back but it really looks like he is gonna get 8-10 million a year dont know if we can pay that. Amerson might be a decent option in a heavy zone scheme he was a ball hawk in college
thebandit27 Posted February 12, 2018 Posted February 12, 2018 1 minute ago, Buffalo716 said: I would love love love Gaines back but it really looks like he is gonna get 8-10 million a year dont know if we can pay that. Amerson might be a decent option in a heavy zone scheme he was a ball hawk in college At last, folks are coming around to my offseason plan...where were you all back in November?!?!
26CornerBlitz Posted February 12, 2018 Author Posted February 12, 2018 2 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: I would love love love Gaines back but it really looks like he is gonna get 8-10 million a year dont know if we can pay that. Amerson might be a decent option in a heavy zone scheme he was a ball hawk in college Gaines is a good player, but can he really command that price with all of the durability concerns?
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted February 12, 2018 Posted February 12, 2018 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: I always liked Davis a bit but I am a huge proponent for young corners More tread left, faster. You can get them up to speed very fast in a primarily zone defense Productive , yet, cheaper defensive backs are the way to go IMO look at how we revamped our secondary in one year, with a bunch of cheaper role players who became key cogs or contributors ...dead on as usual......this gang has done an admiral job in decision making with the secondary......factor out Gaines' unfortunate injuries (BIG W/L difference when he's healthy) and their grade is still solid........ Edited February 12, 2018 by OldTimeAFLGuy 1
thebandit27 Posted February 12, 2018 Posted February 12, 2018 2 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ...dead on as usual......this gang has done an admiral job in decision making with the secondary......factor out Gaines' unfortunate injuries (BIG W/L difference when he's healthy) and their grade is still solid........ The problem is that he gets nicked up in 50% of the games. No exaggeration; he missed 5 altogether and parts of 3 others. I like the player; it's awfully hard to pay him what he's going to want in light of his availability problem.
Buffalo716 Posted February 12, 2018 Posted February 12, 2018 5 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Gaines is a good player, but can he really command that price with all of the durability concerns? I personally wouldn't think he can command that... but with the lack of solid Corners in the league their pay day just keeps going up i would love love to have him on a 4 year 30 million dollar deal 4 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ...dead on as usual......this gang has done an admiral job in decision making with the secondary......factor out Gaines' unfortunate injuries (BIG W/L difference when he's healthy) and their grade is still solid........ Gaines is very good. Unfortunately he plays so hard he usually takes himself out of games... hopefully He takes a team friendly deal because he has a bright future if he stays 1
26CornerBlitz Posted February 12, 2018 Author Posted February 12, 2018 1 minute ago, Buffalo716 said: I personally wouldn't think he can command that... but with the lack of solid Corners in the league their pay day just keeps going up i would love love to have him on a 4 year 30 million dollar deal I would tie his contract to games played.
thebandit27 Posted February 12, 2018 Posted February 12, 2018 Just now, 26CornerBlitz said: I would tie his contract to games played. His agent would never let him sign that deal
26CornerBlitz Posted February 12, 2018 Author Posted February 12, 2018 Just now, thebandit27 said: His agent would never let him sign that deal It's not all that unusual to have an incentive laden contract with some bonus structure tied to availability related to % of snaps or games played. That would be fair given his injury history.
thebandit27 Posted February 12, 2018 Posted February 12, 2018 1 minute ago, 26CornerBlitz said: It's not all that unusual to have an incentive laden contract with some bonus structure tied to availability related to % of snaps or games played. That would be fair given his injury history. I could see tying some bonus money to games-played, but you're never going to get that on a long-term deal. That generally only happens in one-year prove-it style deals like the one signed by Alshon Jeffery last offseason.
26CornerBlitz Posted February 12, 2018 Author Posted February 12, 2018 Just now, thebandit27 said: I could see tying some bonus money to games-played, but you're never going to get that on a long-term deal. That generally only happens in one-year prove-it style deals like the one signed by Alshon Jeffery last offseason. Fair point.
Kirby Jackson Posted February 12, 2018 Posted February 12, 2018 I may be in the minority but I want Gaines back. I’d draft a guy in the 4th or 5th that I had confidence in to back him up. The secondary was outstanding and I don’t want to roll the dice that it continues with someone else in that spot. I would rather take my chances that Gaines can stay healthy. that will be the strength of the team and even better with pass rush.
Big C Posted February 12, 2018 Posted February 12, 2018 7 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: I may be in the minority but I want Gaines back. I’d draft a guy in the 4th or 5th that I had confidence in to back him up. The secondary was outstanding and I don’t want to roll the dice that it continues with someone else in that spot. I would rather take my chances that Gaines can stay healthy. that will be the strength of the team and even better with pass rush. I'm with you. Frankly there isn't another free agent out there that I'm more comfortable replacing him with and I don't want to spend another day one pick on a CB. When you consider the value we're getting with the other starting DBs I'm OK with giving Gaines a market value contract. And I think Ross Cockrell might be a good back up we can bring back on the cheap. He's a solid zone corner that didn't fit Rex's D. 1
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted February 12, 2018 Posted February 12, 2018 17 minutes ago, thebandit27 said: The problem is that he gets nicked up in 50% of the games. No exaggeration; he missed 5 altogether and parts of 3 others. I like the player; it's awfully hard to pay him what he's going to want in light of his availability problem. ...completely agree......but was there much in his injury history pre-Bflo to tag him as a bad hire?.....when healthy and for his skill set, his $1.797 million dollar deal was a good find which is what I'm trying to say............ Season Week Description Status 2017 16 Knee Questionable 2017 10 Hamstring Questionable 2017 9 Hamstring Out 2017 8 Hamstring Out 2017 7 Groin Questionable 2017 5 Groin Questionable 2016 15 Thigh Doubtful 2016 14 Thigh Questionable 2016 3 Thigh Questionable 2016 2 Thigh Out 2016 1 Thigh Out 2015 Preseason Foot Day-To-Day 2014 17 Concussion Doubtful 2014 13 Knee Probable 2014 10 Knee Probable
thebandit27 Posted February 12, 2018 Posted February 12, 2018 43 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ...completely agree......but was there much in his injury history pre-Bflo to tag him as a bad hire?.....when healthy and for his skill set, his $1.797 million dollar deal was a good find which is what I'm trying to say............ Season Week Description Status 2017 16 Knee Questionable 2017 10 Hamstring Questionable 2017 9 Hamstring Out 2017 8 Hamstring Out 2017 7 Groin Questionable 2017 5 Groin Questionable 2016 15 Thigh Doubtful 2016 14 Thigh Questionable 2016 3 Thigh Questionable 2016 2 Thigh Out 2016 1 Thigh Out 2015 Preseason Foot Day-To-Day 2014 17 Concussion Doubtful 2014 13 Knee Probable 2014 10 Knee Probable Well, he's never completed a 16-game season. He missed only 1 game as a rookie, then missed his entire 2nd season, missed 5 games and parts of 2 others in his 3rd year, and then missed 5 games and parts of 3 others with Buffalo. To me, that's a major concern. Kirby is right that the secondary was downright excellent with him in the lineup, and if all things were equal, I'd like him back. I just worry about the value for a guy that will probably want $10M AAV.
26CornerBlitz Posted February 12, 2018 Author Posted February 12, 2018 1 hour ago, Kirby Jackson said: I may be in the minority but I want Gaines back. I’d draft a guy in the 4th or 5th that I had confidence in to back him up. The secondary was outstanding and I don’t want to roll the dice that it continues with someone else in that spot. I would rather take my chances that Gaines can stay healthy. that will be the strength of the team and even better with pass rush. How far will Beane be willing to go with McDermott's saying the best ability is availability? They simply can't count on him given the history.
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